http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Do cyclists think they're above the law, and does it even matter? en Sun, 31 May 2026 12:45:39 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19596#post-310467 Wed, 10 Jul 2019 22:05:52 +0000 Rosie 310467@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My twitter feed now shows loads of cycling folk boasting of scourging the streets. I am such a trundler that I only lightly slap them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19596#post-310448 Wed, 10 Jul 2019 13:17:04 +0000 CycleCommute.CC 310448@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh I suspect there are many, many more idiots out there!</p> <p>This program feeds the idiots on both sides of the equation. It's almost like they are trying to drive a wedge even deeper between the two. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19596#post-310447 Wed, 10 Jul 2019 13:10:13 +0000 Baldcyclist 310447@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not quite what I meant. By balanced, I meant they managed to find every idiot with a view and put them in a room, sort of balanced. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19596#post-310445 Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:37:59 +0000 neddie 310445@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It isn't really balanced though is it, when you take into account the capacity to cause harm and damage in a 1500+kg vehicle travelling up to 70mph, versus a 80kg bike+rider travelling up to 20mph.</p> <p>Yes, both cyclists and motorists break rules and do annoying things in equal amounts, but when motorists do it, it becomes extremely dangerous and life-threatening. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19596#post-310435 Wed, 10 Jul 2019 09:54:14 +0000 Baldcyclist 310435@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I actually watched it out of curiosity, I was surprised at how balanced it actually was...</p> <p>It seemed to do quite a good job of making everybody look bad, cyclists, drivers, taxi drivers, the helmet camera guy, the moaning resident. They all looked bad. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19596#post-310353 Tue, 09 Jul 2019 12:15:02 +0000 wishicouldgofaster 310353@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm sure tonight's programme at 9:15 on channel 5 will be a nice balanced affair!</p> <p>Cyclists:Scourge Of The Streets? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19596#post-310320 Tue, 09 Jul 2019 08:36:26 +0000 gembo 310320@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Watching Good Omens on Prime (9000 Americans have complained to Netflix about this programme [on Prime]). Terry Pritchett/NeilGaiman - 4 of the 5 episodes have been fun. The second is a bit of padding.</p> <p>One character in it a modern day Witchfiner projects himself as the head of a large organisation when it is just him. IAM Roadsmart? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19596#post-310317 Mon, 08 Jul 2019 21:32:23 +0000 crowriver 310317@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Never mind cyclists, check out the drivers...</p> <p>(Warning: obligatory Neil Greig quote at foot of page).<br /> ---</p> <p>Record number caught cheating on driving tests</p> <p><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-48909786" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-48909786</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19596#post-310136 Fri, 05 Jul 2019 23:54:12 +0000 crowriver 310136@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I like the style of the author of the letter:</p> <p>"I would like to hear from your department what measures you are prepared to undertake to improve pedestrian safety in this vicinity."</p> <p>Exactly how to do it. Not telling the council what to do, but asking what they propose to to do. That will fox them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19596#post-310127 Fri, 05 Jul 2019 19:01:38 +0000 jonty 310127@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The headline refers to the van incidents (judging by the subtitles) and the focus of the article - at least by wordcount - is certainly on the vans too. What steps should they have taken during their fairly reasonable moan about an encounter with a wreckless person to avoid being called anti-cyclist? I think they've actually taken deliberate steps to be balanced - they could easily have posted the letter separately (or not at all!) </p> <p>If 'bringing out the usual ranters' is going to be the threshold for what constitutes acceptable journalism then nobody had better write about cycling or transport ever again! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19596#post-310125 Fri, 05 Jul 2019 18:55:09 +0000 Baldcyclist 310125@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I liked the tone of the video, though it did slightly amuse me when saying cyclists should be referred to as "people on bikes", but the everyone subsequently used the labels; cyclists, pedestrians, drivers, rather than 'people who....'. though the policeman did refer to 'people who drive' once.</p> <p>I agree emphasis should be on drivers, that said if I wouldn't let bad cycling go if witnessed by police. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19596#post-310121 Fri, 05 Jul 2019 18:04:50 +0000 Colonies_Chris 310121@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The article describes three dangerous driving incidents by vans, two with abuse directed toward a pedestrian, and two inconsiderate cyclists whose behaviour did no worse than briefly alarm a pedestrian, but the headline and the focus is on the cyclists. I would count it as cyclist-hating, and the Twitter thread has brought out the usual anti-cyclist ranters. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19596#post-310107 Fri, 05 Jul 2019 15:01:12 +0000 EdinburghCycleCam 310107@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>To be fair, it's not really cyclist-hating:</p> <p>"As Edinburgh’s population grows, and the proportion of active travellers increases with it, so too <strong>grows a minority of selfish, inattentive, and downright reckless cyclists</strong> putting pedestrians at risk."<br /> (emphasis mine)</p> <p>And a little more than half the article is about drivers not giving way to pedestrians at side streets. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19596#post-310099 Fri, 05 Jul 2019 14:02:50 +0000 jonty 310099@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The article seemed pretty balanced to be honest. Not only does it explicitly refer to bad cyclists as a minority, it then goes on to complain about murderous rat-running drivers. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19596#post-310098 Fri, 05 Jul 2019 13:57:15 +0000 neddie 310098@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh dear!</p> <p>Broughton Spurtle jumping on the cyclist-hating bandwagon...</p> <p><a href="http://www.broughtonspurtle.org.uk/news/blink-and-you%E2%80%99re-splatted" rel="nofollow">http://www.broughtonspurtle.org.uk/news/blink-and-you%E2%80%99re-splatted</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19596#post-306427 Sat, 11 May 2019 20:16:28 +0000 Ribena 306427@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I really liked that the Guardian video referred to ‘collisions’, not ‘accidents’. Because when they’re caused by an offence (including careless driving) they aren’t accidents. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19596#post-306426 Sat, 11 May 2019 20:14:15 +0000 toomanybikes 306426@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2019/05/10/cyclists-break-far-fewer-road-rules-than-motorists-finds-new-video-study/amp/?__twitter_impression=true" rel="nofollow">https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2019/05/10/cyclists-break-far-fewer-road-rules-than-motorists-finds-new-video-study/amp/?__twitter_impression=true</a></p> <p>Cyclists break the law far less with good infrastructure. (shocking no one who's thought about why people cycle on pavements ) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19596#post-306415 Sat, 11 May 2019 15:13:03 +0000 I were right about that saddle 306415@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Nuther take from the Graun;</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/may/11/meet-jools-walker-the-blogger-powering-a-cycle-revolution" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/may/11/meet-jools-walker-the-blogger-powering-a-cycle-revolution</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19596#post-306301 Thu, 09 May 2019 18:03:31 +0000 toomanybikes 306301@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In fairness with the helmets, there is a link to another good video about that at the end </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19596#post-306298 Thu, 09 May 2019 17:04:44 +0000 EdinburghCycleCam 306298@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Wow, a surprisingly cyclist-friendly piece, even if it does start out a little triggersome, with a soundbite complaining about cyclists mounting the pavement (like drivers do all the time) and flouting the traffic rules by not wearing a helmet or using a mobile phone - neither of which is against any road rule. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19596#post-306297 Thu, 09 May 2019 16:49:52 +0000 I were right about that saddle 306297@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/video/2019/may/09/do-cyclists-think-theyre-above-the-law-and-does-it-even-matter-video">Guardian has a crack.</a></p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBP2LTQxqZ8" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBP2LTQxqZ8</a> </p>