http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Picardy Place lanes taking shape en Mon, 18 May 2026 23:56:32 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=18#post-376640 Fri, 20 Sep 2024 18:51:53 +0000 gembo 376640@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@welcome home. You’ve been gone so long Come on in enjoy the show @Wingpig </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=18#post-376638 Fri, 20 Sep 2024 15:36:01 +0000 wingpig 376638@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We emerged from Old Steet station onto the roundabout when heading to our hotel back in February. I hadn't realised it was a 'feature' roundabout at the time. What would have made it more useful for me would have been a couple of signs showing compass directions. It didn't seem particularly offensive when emerging from the foul depths of Tubespace but if you lived nearby or went past frequently and had been hoping for something a bit less inorganic it would be quite disappointing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=18#post-376567 Fri, 13 Sep 2024 11:15:45 +0000 chdot 376567@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Elsewhere </p> <p>“</p> <p>There are some new benches (which also double up as hostile-vehicle barriers), but little attempt has been made to turn it into a place you might want to linger. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2024/sep/12/total-bollards-blade-runner-old-street-roundabout" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2024/sep/12/total-bollards-blade-runner-old-street-roundabout</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=18#post-374514 Wed, 17 Apr 2024 16:28:47 +0000 CycleAlex 374514@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It’s not ideal but it’s really not that bad. You can join by turning right at Greenside Row, immediately after the first pedestrian crossing, at the second ASL, immediately after the third ASL or you can just use the road until Gayfield Square. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=18#post-374512 Wed, 17 Apr 2024 16:02:48 +0000 bakky 374512@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes - one shouldn't need to change an entire route to get the 'ideal' approach to a junction, all approaches should be considered and halfway usable.</p> <p>Personally when I've taken that same route before, I've done Minto, Nicolson, South Bridge but turned right down Royal Mile then left down New St, under bridge and up Calton Rd straight into said 2-way lane, which adds a quarter of a mile vs. North bridge and Leith St but features less traffic and a more convenient join to the segregated paths.</p> <p>Interestingly the proposed Waverly grand master future excellence plan™ posits a 'high level cycle bridge' from East Market St to the station back entrance on Calton Rd, which could be a slightly more direct version of how I'm using New St in such a route. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=18#post-374492 Tue, 16 Apr 2024 21:57:16 +0000 Arellcat 374492@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This is the completely ridiculous thing: I was actually aware that I was using the 'wrong' approach!</p> <p>In coming from the south along the A701, I had no desire to have to <strong>divert west</strong> in order to go <strong>along</strong> NMW, <strong>up</strong> MMW, <strong>down</strong> the Mound, <strong>up</strong> Hanover St, <strong>turn right</strong> to go <strong>along</strong> George St and <strong>down</strong> North St David St for York Place - or indeed, <strong>clatter</strong> my way down the cobbobbobles of Cockburn St for Waverley Bridge and make tricky <strong>left and right turns</strong> across the <strong>tram tracks</strong> to go <strong>up</strong> South St David St to go <strong>down</strong> North St David St and arrive safe and sound on York Place.</p> <p>I just wanted to go <strong>up</strong> Minto St, along Nicolson St, <strong>down</strong> South and North Bridge, <strong>down</strong> Leith St, and <strong>down</strong> Leith Walk.</p> <p>Looking on Streetview, it seems what I was supposed to do was do a right-angled turn immediately after the traffic lights at Little King St to join the Picardy-bound cycle lane. But it's a right-angled turn to the right followed immediately by a right-angled turn left, for one thing, and I didn't even spot it because the cycle lane is the same colour as the footways and has no contrast at all. I think that's how I also ended up on the tram stop: the cycle lane, that I should be able to use almost without thinking, just isn't obvious, and no amount of posh slanty kerbs and rinky dink lane markings really helps. It's also a whole lot of manoeuvers I wouldn't even attempt in the red torpedo. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=18#post-374491 Tue, 16 Apr 2024 21:44:21 +0000 mga 374491@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><img src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczNFh7_GmJsQeszIl0UvJqm1K4o7_yNfCHHAZGOIYtEo51J7VN_YIwM12c82Mu36TP9iSeJBWGQbGmyktA1GhxewJ7z77ZW6IN17M-0qTGMkZNiLeaIXk57kDoYPoEJNUyrzqhkiZzz5HDwCIz7_0bDU=w1125-h546-s-no?authuser=0"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=18#post-374487 Tue, 16 Apr 2024 21:05:28 +0000 Morningsider 374487@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This is what happens when the Council designs individual cycle routes, in this case CCWEL. No real consideration appears to be given to cyclists going any other way, or joining/leaving mid-route.</p> <p>@Arellcat's 'mistake' was to approach Picardy Place from the 'wrong' street. The official cycle approach from the west being York Place. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=18#post-374480 Tue, 16 Apr 2024 11:37:51 +0000 bakky 374480@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Rightly or wrongly, this is the route I'd take (and have taken before) - involves a questionable don't-do-that-right turn to get into the two-way path at Calton Rd, and follows that two-way cycleway all the way down to just past Elm Row where there's a cycle crossing to the left side cycleway down Leith Walk.</p> <p>If uncomfortable with the don't-turn-right there's also the option to join at Greenside Row. </p> <p><a href="https://www.komoot.com/tour/1517745800?share_token=a1Bce8T5T3p9pKrOdZNL8beKF0KCpDSlqQXxZEfFC33cokDs7w&amp;ref=" rel="nofollow">https://www.komoot.com/tour/1517745800?share_token=a1Bce8T5T3p9pKrOdZNL8beKF0KCpDSlqQXxZEfFC33cokDs7w&amp;ref=</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=18#post-374478 Tue, 16 Apr 2024 10:57:00 +0000 Arellcat 374478@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I managed to fail at using the Picardy Place cycle gyratory expressway roundabout thing yesterday. I actually got utterly confused.</p> <p>All I wanted to do was cycle down Leith Street and then cycle down Leith Walk, but there seems to be no official way to join the cycle path if you're coming from Leith St.</p> <p>I saw another cyclist somewhat ahead of me divert right at the Greenside Row path access, and he whizzed out of sight past the Omni. I meanwhile wanted to stay on the left-hand side of Leith Walk and reached the lights/ped crossing at the bottom of John Lewis still on the road with no obvious way to get to the cycle lanes. I ended up bumping up the kerb at the crossing.</p> <p>Then there is a weird zigzag to get across the tram tracks, but I somehow got it wrong and found myself marooned on the tram platform before realising the crossing was to my left.</p> <p>I'd've been better just staying on the road, quite honestly. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=18#post-373329 Sat, 10 Feb 2024 20:41:52 +0000 SRD 373329@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>cycled from Queen st to Leith st today (and back again). </p> <p>what a mess. is it actually open? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=18#post-372901 Mon, 15 Jan 2024 21:53:34 +0000 chdot 372901@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>also allow the Transport &amp; Environment committee to continue to be involved and take a view on key transport changes being delivered through statutory order processes. </p> <p>“</p> <p>Really??</p> <p>And if someone says no? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=18#post-372900 Mon, 15 Jan 2024 21:35:10 +0000 chdot 372900@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“CEC has NEW nonsense to sort out!!!”</p> <p>“<br /> The change was, apparently, because Licensing Cttee deals with 'quasi-judicial matters'; thus traffic orders</p> <p>But cllrs at 16.11.23 TEC realised they'd made a bit of a mess (our words) so agreed the attached</p> <p>The policy was anyway due for review in June, but it is now underway</p> <p><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GD6OlVyXoAAGveG?format=png&amp;name=small"></p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://x.com/spokeslothian/status/1746992823927275682?" rel="nofollow">https://x.com/spokeslothian/status/1746992823927275682?</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=18#post-372894 Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:50:24 +0000 chdot 372894@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Iain wrote that knowing that Labour asked for action on the issue last week. I cover it at the start of this video:</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AJGknJyLQU" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AJGknJyLQU</a></p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://x.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1746879183714673055" rel="nofollow">https://x.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1746879183714673055</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=18#post-372893 Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:18:36 +0000 Morningsider 372893@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Cllr Whyte:</p> <p><blockquote>I support the principle that the Council’s transport hierarchy puts pedestrians first.</blockquote> Interesting then that his suggestion to allow left turns from Leith Walk to better facilitate traffic flow traffic would require the pedestrian crossing over London Road to be switched off. (The ban on left turns allows there to be a pedestrian phase - as evidenced by well-reported problems of cars turning left through the green man). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=18#post-372892 Mon, 15 Jan 2024 14:25:41 +0000 chdot 372892@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“Scot Gov could ask for their active travel budget back”</p> <p>Understand the sentiment!</p> <p>Picardy Place is (partly) the way it is <em>because of</em> SG!</p> <p>SG should get on with sorting out the whole TRO/consultations process. </p> <p>MEANWHILE </p> <p>CEC has NEW nonsense to sort out!!!!</p> <p>“</p> <p>Whether you support or oppose this #LowTraffic/#SchoolStreets experiment..<br /> it's crazy that final decisions on all such Traffic Orders are now taken by Licensing Sub-Cttee, rather than Transport Cttee who know the background</p> <p>Please change this back!!</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://x.com/spokeslothian/status/1746643146220478540" rel="nofollow">https://x.com/spokeslothian/status/1746643146220478540</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=18#post-372891 Mon, 15 Jan 2024 14:12:24 +0000 gembo 372891@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Picardy a bad roundabout now truly abysmal. This was predicted on here So modelers only have found a positive by assuming no drivers ever would jump a light. </p> <p>Porty road five car wide road with double parking and reinstated traffic jams</p> <p>Braid road reinstatement fiasco.</p> <p>Scot Gov could ask for their active travel budget back </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=17#post-372889 Mon, 15 Jan 2024 12:57:05 +0000 Yodhrin 372889@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not only that but he's being dumb anyway, I thought the whole point of banning those turns in the first place was that traffic modelling showed it would overall be *even slower* for cars due to the additional light phases needed in the context of the tram than waiting to go around.</p> <p>Clearly hoping to leverage the fact the average citizen doesn't bother reading up on projects in that much detail(probably to the benefit of their sanity) and "common sense innit" thinking to keep pushing his petrosexual agenda. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=17#post-372888 Mon, 15 Jan 2024 12:44:18 +0000 neddie 372888@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The most obvious solution is to have never designed the junction around an 1800 space car park in the first place. Pandering to cars got us in this mess, further pandering will only make it worse </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=17#post-372885 Mon, 15 Jan 2024 12:25:04 +0000 chdot 372885@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>So far, discussions have ignored the most obvious solution. Reopen the left turn into London Road from Leith Walk and the right turn for the same journey in reverse. Blocking this route has forced all that traffic around Picardy Place adding congestion on the very same traffic lanes that buses use to get from Leith Street to Leith Walk.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/time-for-a-u-turn-on-leith-walk-traffic-rule-iain-whyte-4476420" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/time-for-a-u-turn-on-leith-walk-traffic-rule-iain-whyte-4476420</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=17#post-372417 Wed, 20 Dec 2023 23:05:44 +0000 chdot 372417@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Picardy Place. Covered in cycle lanes that nobody much uses. But some dude found it useful to go up the actual steps.</p> <p>.”</p> <p>Thread</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/overlandertheb1/status/1737516659349352646" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/overlandertheb1/status/1737516659349352646</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=17#post-372399 Wed, 20 Dec 2023 17:30:35 +0000 neddie 372399@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The beepy people were all beeping at each other on the Picardy motorway this afternoon. Such strange behaviour </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=17#post-372317 Sat, 16 Dec 2023 17:29:56 +0000 chdot 372317@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>PICARDY PLACE.—Of course, alternative arrangements are possible. This from ZONE Architects in 2017: <a href="https://www.broughtonspurtle.org.uk/news/time-t-picardy-place" rel="nofollow">https://www.broughtonspurtle.org.uk/news/time-t-picardy-place</a></p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/thespurtle/status/1736007803410551094" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/thespurtle/status/1736007803410551094</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=17#post-372311 Sat, 16 Dec 2023 11:06:36 +0000 gembo 372311@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The pothole heading out of the Gyratory down Broughton Street is so long now there is nowhere to go. Take care. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=17#post-372310 Sat, 16 Dec 2023 10:29:04 +0000 chdot 372310@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.broughtonspurtle.org.uk/news/more-thoughts-picardy" rel="nofollow">https://www.broughtonspurtle.org.uk/news/more-thoughts-picardy</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=17#post-372087 Mon, 04 Dec 2023 14:50:44 +0000 chdot 372087@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just found consultation answers from 6 years ago when I was looking for something else. </p> <p>223 <em>pages</em> so I won’t be reading many. </p> <p>“</p> <p>I can not see how any of the ideas floated, other than the Sustrans one, are getting serious consideration.</p> <p>the gyratory proposed is a throwback to the 70s, around Europe these are being removed, yet CEC seem wedded to the car and bow down to it at all times.</p> <p>please whatever you do, let it pass the "yes, I would like my 12 year old child cycle though it" test.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/picardy-place/results/picardyplaceconsultationfeedbackpublicationversion3.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/picardy-place/results/picardyplaceconsultationfeedbackpublicationversion3.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=17#post-370861 Sun, 01 Oct 2023 13:53:33 +0000 chdot 370861@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>What will be done to sort this?</p> <p>Biggest issue is the downhill lane by the bus stop on Leith Walk</p> <p>On Elm Row the narrow bike lane has branches BELOW head height!</p> <p>Vehicles likely to overhang more than in photo</p> <p>PLENTY space for decent width laneS and some parking</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/cyclingedin/status/1708401404354670934" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/cyclingedin/status/1708401404354670934</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=17#post-370860 Sun, 01 Oct 2023 13:49:53 +0000 chdot 370860@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Couldn’t quite bring myself to explore the new ‘facility’ at PPl yesterday. </p> <p>Well it was raining and I had a train to catch. </p> <p>Took a detour to try the new bike lane at Elm Row -</p> <p><img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53223608737_6730c87eb4_b.jpg"></p> <p><img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53223608727_07cce29ee9_c.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=17#post-370778 Thu, 28 Sep 2023 12:56:43 +0000 jonty 370778@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Saw that this morning and was absolutely flabbergasted an article with that tone and content would end up in the EEN. Perhaps things are changing a little bit. Maybe the council should 'listen to local voices' and take the initiative to trial weekend pedestrianisation or something. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19700&page=17#post-370769 Thu, 28 Sep 2023 10:13:56 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 370769@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/edinburghs-elm-row-branded-a-missed-opportunity-by-locals-after-return-of-parking-bays-4351439" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/edinburghs-elm-row-branded-a-missed-opportunity-by-locals-after-return-of-parking-bays-4351439</a> </p>