http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Borders Railway en Tue, 19 May 2026 09:25:35 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738&page=2#post-337474 Mon, 14 Sep 2020 16:00:06 +0000 ejstubbs 337474@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@arellcat: <em>People who are very very good at things quite often forget just how good they are.</em></p> <p>In a related way, such people are often very bad at teaching whatever it is they are very very good at - at least at an entry level - because they have long ago lost any kind of mental reference of what it was like not to be able to do it at all.</p> <p>One of the more vaguely useful of the sadly almost ubiquitous management guru four-box models is the consciousness/competency model. A conscious competent is usually a better teacher/mentor than an <strong>un</strong>conscious competent because they know how they do it and can (hopefully) explain that to others. If you can just do it without really knowing how, it's difficult to teach someone else (a bit like my Dad trying to teach me how to wiggle my ears). An <strong>un</strong>conscious <strong>in</strong>competent is a dangerous person to have around because they think they can do something that they can't, and often end up making a mess of it. At least a <u>conscious</u> incompetent knows that they can't do it (or thinks they can't) and therefore won't volunteer to try. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738&page=2#post-337463 Mon, 14 Sep 2020 14:44:49 +0000 chdot 337463@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Without the self-awareness of metacognition, people cannot objectively evaluate their competence or incompetence. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738&page=2#post-337462 Mon, 14 Sep 2020 14:07:36 +0000 gkgk 337462@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This thing of capable people under-estimating their own capabilities, and over-estimating capabilities of less-capable others (and vice versa) is the Dunning Kruger effect, easy name to remember due to the nice Dunning road and the no-doubt nice fizzy drink. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738&page=2#post-337460 Mon, 14 Sep 2020 13:50:53 +0000 chdot 337460@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“turns out the 'gravel' Pencaitland railway path is probably smooth enough for slick 23mm tyres“</p> <p>You need a time machine! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738&page=2#post-337459 Mon, 14 Sep 2020 13:49:21 +0000 chdot 337459@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“People who are very very good at things quite often forget just how good they are.“</p> <p>Which is understandable if slightly annoying. </p> <p>Main problem these days ls people who THINK THEY ARE very very good at things and, in reality, are <em>not close </em>to competent. </p> <p>Bigger problem is that too many people don’t notice - or don’t care. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738&page=2#post-337458 Mon, 14 Sep 2020 13:36:41 +0000 Arellcat 337458@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I'm not sure Herr Stitz realises quite how exceptionally strong he is.</em></p> <p>People who are very very good at things quite often forget just how good they are.</p> <p>In his instructional video, John Myung says of tapping, "I don't really do a whole lot…it's just a 16th note pattern with two 32nd notes", then proceeds to tap the hell out of his Tung 6-string at warp speed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738&page=2#post-337456 Mon, 14 Sep 2020 13:26:58 +0000 toomanybikes 337456@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Iain McR</p> <p>Cheers! All very far south of where we wound up, but useful for future inpsiration.</p> <p> Cycled South up the paved hill from Longyester, and the incline headwind combo totally cracked my mate's legs. I went and played around on the gravel at the top for about 20 minutes then we retreated back home. So we wound up doing basically no proper gravelling at all (turns out the 'gravel' Pencaitland railway path is probably smooth enough for slick 23mm tyres). Still, the wigglyness of the route down there meant it was a decent 80km ride all in.</p> <p>I would highly recommend the cake from The Bothy in East Saltoun though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738&page=2#post-337455 Mon, 14 Sep 2020 13:11:41 +0000 steveo 337455@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>he did a round the world cycle (on a single speed) so one would hope he just has an equally mental peer group in mind when he designs these routes! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738&page=2#post-337451 Mon, 14 Sep 2020 12:30:58 +0000 I were right about that saddle 337451@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm not sure Herr Stitz realises quite how exceptionally strong he is. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738&page=2#post-337448 Mon, 14 Sep 2020 11:57:54 +0000 dessert rat 337448@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@toomanybikes - I only have his provisional route. He asked me not to share it has he was re-riding it last weekend and was going to make changes.</p> <p>it was basically this: <img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50341138291_7c65a03d01.jpg"></p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/2jGtuyc" rel="nofollow">https://flic.kr/p/2jGtuyc</a></p> <p>its a brutal 153km, with 1,750 of climbing. I reckon by chopping off the loop top right so following the river from east of Melrose and rejoining in Dryburgh saves 35km, and chopping the bottom left loop saves 13km and a big hill.</p> <p>Two biggest climbs are either side of Selkirk &amp; in and out of Jedburgh.</p> <p>not for the faint hearted I would assume. want to do end of month, need wingman/person........... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738#post-337373 Sat, 12 Sep 2020 20:03:34 +0000 gembo 337373@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Old pal has been knocked off bike by dog on Porty Prom so has bailed </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738#post-337370 Sat, 12 Sep 2020 19:46:53 +0000 nobrakes 337370@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You might, but I don’t ever recall much wind there. Lots of trees. If you’d gone anti-clockwise today you’d have been on the granny ring going down the granites!</p> <p>Today I did a double Innerleithen / Talla loop, 92 miles on the trike. Had a strong headwind pretty much from Innerleithen all the way to the top of Talla. Brutal. Fair flew down to the Gordon Arms afterwards though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738#post-337354 Sat, 12 Sep 2020 07:30:57 +0000 gembo 337354@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not supposed to be too windy. I like to go clockwise round the Pentlands to get tailwind at end from Carnwath.</p> <p>I do not have the local knowledge but if we go anti-clockwise do we then get a tailwind up through caddonfoot? The same as if we did it clockwise given the route is North South axis? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738#post-337353 Sat, 12 Sep 2020 07:02:37 +0000 nobrakes 337353@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Me too, many times. Wind tends to come from the south. That’s the main reason I go clockwise. You get some protection through the trees along the traquair road and a tailwind up to the granites. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738#post-337352 Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:53:22 +0000 Snowy 337352@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've had a headwind that required me to firmly pedal all the way down that descent to Inners. Was not impressed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738#post-337346 Fri, 11 Sep 2020 20:19:15 +0000 nobrakes 337346@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Clovenfords to Caddonfoot is currently coned off and closed to traffic. You can shimmy through on a bike. I also tend to go clockwise because on average I’ve found you get better luck with the wind, but coming the other way gives you that glorious descent from the Granites to Innerleithen if you don’t have a headwind. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738#post-337344 Fri, 11 Sep 2020 17:08:44 +0000 toomanybikes 337344@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Iain McR have you got a link to the route?</p> <p>Found this route when trying to google it, the gravel part South of Gifford on it, I was actually already planning on exploring this weekend <a href="https://www.komoot.com/collection/902010/capital-trail" rel="nofollow">https://www.komoot.com/collection/902010/capital-trail</a></p> <p>(though was going to stay on the railway path all the way to West Saltoun and stop in East Saltoun for coffee) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738#post-337343 Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:58:33 +0000 gembo 337343@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks @ toomanybikes I don’t know the caddonfoot clovenfords section </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738#post-337342 Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:50:35 +0000 I were right about that saddle 337342@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Iain McR</p> <p>Mr Stitz is bonkers. Passionate, daring, knowledgeable but quite mad. He doesn't cycle like we do at all. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738#post-337339 Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:25:54 +0000 toomanybikes 337339@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Personally, I'd do that loop the other way around, Stow to Clovenfords across the Tweed then over to Innerleithen then up to Heriot, avoids cycling Caddonfoot road uphill, not that it was as busy/fast as I expected it to be when I rode it to be fair. </p> <p>Innerleithen to Heriot is the best bit either way round though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738#post-337318 Fri, 11 Sep 2020 11:12:42 +0000 dessert rat 337318@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>looking (was looking, now might be covid cancelled) at doing Markus Stitz's Borders Abbey gravel route at the end of the month, which starts/finishes at Tweedbank. </p> <p>However it looks kinda long for 1 day, I am not hardcore enough i don't think. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738#post-337231 Thu, 10 Sep 2020 07:51:24 +0000 gembo 337231@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks Nobrakes</p> <p>My ex boss saying he has a battery in back of his new merc estate. FFS thought easy to get two bikes in, might need to stay local </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738#post-337226 Wed, 09 Sep 2020 20:29:44 +0000 nobrakes 337226@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Here’s how you treat the hills out of Stow - add another wheel and you can go as slow as you like. Lovely little ride tonight. Very hilly loop if you’re into that sort of thing.</p> <p><a href="https://strava.app.link/mbkLNasdE9" rel="nofollow">https://strava.app.link/mbkLNasdE9</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738#post-337224 Wed, 09 Sep 2020 20:27:14 +0000 nobrakes 337224@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Gembo 40 miles round trip. It’s a good route, yes. Either way is good. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738#post-337220 Wed, 09 Sep 2020 17:23:00 +0000 gembo 337220@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What is distance from stow via Heriot to Innerleithen then back to stow via clovenfords. Is that good way to go?</p> <p>I have pal who I mentored into cycling and he can go from central edinburgh to Gullane and back now but thought I might introduce some hillage. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738#post-337219 Wed, 09 Sep 2020 17:15:03 +0000 nobrakes 337219@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ach, it’s just a wee bump :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738#post-337217 Wed, 09 Sep 2020 16:34:39 +0000 gembo 337217@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Once when the fountain hall road was closed we went back to Stow and cycled to Galashiels via the sky. So steep is that hill out of stow </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738#post-337216 Wed, 09 Sep 2020 16:34:29 +0000 fimm 337216@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The only time I've take a bike on the Borders Railway was the time Mr fimm &amp; I took our bikes to Tweedbank and cycled the Four Abbeys Route (recommended). Once on the train it slowly dawned on us that it was the day of the Melrose Sevens. We made very sure that we were back at Tweedbank to get a train before the tournament finished! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738#post-337214 Wed, 09 Sep 2020 16:05:34 +0000 Arellcat 337214@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Only a fule would take his bike on that wee train during rush hour?</em></p> <p>Yes, only an absolute idiot would take her recumbent bike on that wee train out of Waverley at 5pm on a weekday and think "It'll be just fine, I'm only going to Shawfair." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19738#post-337212 Wed, 09 Sep 2020 15:24:41 +0000 Frenchy 337212@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Tacked on the hill up Earlston Road whilst waiting for the train last weekend and bloody heck that thing is mean. </em></p> <p>Only time I've been to Stow was when I abandoned a longer ride at Lauder because I was knackered. The Lauder-Stow road looked like a good option at that point, on a non-topographical map. </p>