http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: STPR2 - Transport Scotland’s Second Strategic Transport Projects Review en Sun, 17 May 2026 21:06:44 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-345670 Thu, 04 Feb 2021 13:28:08 +0000 Frenchy 345670@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>PoP has been <a href="https://twitter.com/POPScotland/status/1348566056630161408">looking at</a> what little detail has been given.</p> <p>£50m over 5 years for the "Active Freeways".</p> <p>£50m buys you approximately 50km of protected cycleway.</p> <p>So one, <em>maybe</em> two CCWEL-style projects per year. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-345664 Thu, 04 Feb 2021 12:43:44 +0000 chdot 345664@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“dutch style "cars as guests" “</p> <p>Are these not usually short/local? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-345663 Thu, 04 Feb 2021 12:38:30 +0000 Rob 345663@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A dutch style "cars as guests" cycle route from the A90 out via Kirkliston/Winchburgh (as previously discussed here) <em>could</em> fit the description of an Active Freeway which balances needs for local access. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-345662 Thu, 04 Feb 2021 11:51:58 +0000 gembo 345662@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes it does I prefer to ask for forgiveness rather than permission </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-345660 Thu, 04 Feb 2021 11:43:56 +0000 chdot 345660@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“is it wrong for me“</p> <p>Does it fit your philosophy? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-345659 Thu, 04 Feb 2021 10:57:08 +0000 I were right about that saddle 345659@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In the middle of the M6. Make it so. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-345657 Thu, 04 Feb 2021 10:47:01 +0000 gembo 345657@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@CHdot, is it wrong for me to want Grant Shapps to have a summit meeting at Shap Summit? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-345655 Thu, 04 Feb 2021 10:43:03 +0000 chdot 345655@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not Scotland obviously, but relevant -</p> <p>“</p> <p>“We want half of all journeys and towns and cities to be cycled or walked by 2030,” Transport Secretary Grant Shapps told the U.K. parliament’s transport committee in a remotely held meeting earlier today. </p> <p>Yesterday the under Secretary of State Rachel Maclean said similar in a written answer, claiming the government had a “vision for half of all journeys in towns and cities to be cycled or walked by 2030.” </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2021/02/03/half-of-all-urban-journeys-must-be-cycled-or-walked-within-ten-years-confirms-uk-government/" rel="nofollow">https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2021/02/03/half-of-all-urban-journeys-must-be-cycled-or-walked-within-ten-years-confirms-uk-government/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-345643 Thu, 04 Feb 2021 09:30:28 +0000 chdot 345643@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Detailed coverage here -</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburghs-two-shelved-tram-lines-could-be-revived-3123323" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburghs-two-shelved-tram-lines-could-be-revived-3123323</a></p> <p>Of course lots of ‘aspiration’ and need for money. but strong local political support for things ‘we’ want to see. </p> <p>“</p> <p>Edinburgh City Council’s SNP transport convener Lesley Macinnes said: “The progress of mass rapid transit is key to our forthcoming City Mobility Plan, supporting people to make convenient, sustainable transport choices as well as connecting to areas of future growth.</p> <p>"Support in this report for reallocation of road space for walking and cycling, expanding on work through our Spaces for People project, City Centre Transformation and our ongoing, ambitious active travel programme, will help us create a truly people-friendly city.”</p> <p>Karen Doran, the council’s Labour vice convener, said: “We’re already focusing on a great many schemes to support sustainable transport, from measures to prioritise public transport and investing in trams to Newhaven to major cycling and walking improvements around the Capital.</p> <p>“The themes and recommendations within this report very much reflect and bolster our own aspirations to encourage modal shift away from private car journeys, responding to the climate emergency, minimising air pollution and supporting healthy lifestyles.</p> <p>"We look forward to working with Transport Scotland to progress the recommendations, to the benefit of the city.”</p> <p>Transport Secretary Michael Matheson said: “We are conducting a thorough, evidence-based review of the performance of Scotland’s strategic transport network across active travel [walking, cycling and wheeling], bus, ferry, rail and the trunk road network.</p> <p>“ </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-345633 Wed, 03 Feb 2021 22:32:00 +0000 chdot 345633@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“I do have a rather jaundiced view of any talk of designs that aim to "balance" the needs of cyclists with other modes.“</p> <p>Ditto. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-345629 Wed, 03 Feb 2021 22:15:37 +0000 Morningsider 345629@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@acsimpson - I hadn't thought about that. I do have a rather jaundiced view of any talk of designs that aim to "balance" the needs of cyclists with other modes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-345618 Wed, 03 Feb 2021 21:01:55 +0000 acsimpson 345618@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Morningsider. Are you sure they aren't talking about an aspiration for congestion? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-345615 Wed, 03 Feb 2021 20:36:59 +0000 Morningsider 345615@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>As you were:</p> <p><blockquote>In many instances, Active Freeways may require reallocation of roadspace away from other modes. Where this is the case, designs will be handled carefully in order to balance the sometimes conflicting aspirations for improved active travel routes with those for bus priority, local access and servicing, and minimisation of traffic pollution and congestion.</blockquote></p> <p>It's those congestion causing cycle lanes again... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-345590 Wed, 03 Feb 2021 16:30:15 +0000 toomanybikes 345590@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@chdot interesting driving heatmap on page 6. Buckstone, Duddingston, Blackford &amp; Blackhall alleged hotspots for driving into centre. Although limited sample size is probably a key driver of those being hotspots, closing Holyrood Park to cars would presumably instantly fix one of them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-345587 Wed, 03 Feb 2021 15:58:25 +0000 chdot 345587@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>4 The Strategic Rationale<br /> Transport Scotland has set a strong policy framework for the promotion of active travel, including in its Active Travel Vision, Active Travel Outcomes Framework and NTS2. Through Places for Everyone funding, it is supporting the development of high-quality segregated cycling and walking routes at locations in Scotland’s towns and cities where local needs and opportunities are identified. The 2020 Programme for Government supported this outcome further, with a commitment of over £500M of funding for active travel infrastructure and supporting measures over the next five years.</p> <p>Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Michael Matheson: “the task was now to ‘lock-in’ positive changes in travel behaviour. "This is why we have committed to invest over £500m in active travel over the next five years. By improving our match-funding offer for permanent infrastructure at the same time, it will help our local authorities make some of the temporary changes permanent where appropriate”.</p> <p>“ </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-345585 Wed, 03 Feb 2021 15:46:22 +0000 Frenchy 345585@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That seems to be the gist:</p> <p>Active Freeways will connect city and town centres to outlying neighbourhoods, and to other major trip attractors. </p> <p>They will focus on high-demand travel corridors and on improving connections to communities for which transport exclusion is currently prevalent. </p> <p>They will deliver high-quality, direct and segregated routes for people walking, wheeling and cycling. </p> <p>Improved local connections from the main Active Freeway routes will ensure that people are able to access them from their homes, schools, workplaces and other destinations. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-345584 Wed, 03 Feb 2021 15:44:20 +0000 chdot 345584@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Example of an Active Freeway </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/49052/stpr2-phase-1-ast-project-1-active-freeways-3-feb-2021.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/49052/stpr2-phase-1-ast-project-1-active-freeways-3-feb-2021.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-345583 Wed, 03 Feb 2021 15:40:47 +0000 jonty 345583@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>is an Active Freeway a Scottish Cycle Superhighway? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-345578 Wed, 03 Feb 2021 15:09:37 +0000 Frenchy 345578@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Phase 1 recommendations" of STPR2 <a href="https://www.transport.gov.scot/publication/update-and-phase-1-recommendations-february-2021-stpr2/">announced today</a>. These are, apparently, going to be delivered over the next 3 years.</p> <p>Proposed interventions include:</p> <p>Intervention 1 -Development and delivery of Active Freeways<br /> Intervention 2 -Expansion of 20mph zones<br /> Intervention 7 -Reallocation of roadspace for active travel<br /> Intervention 9 -Development of Glasgow ‘Metro’and Edinburgh Mass Transit strategies<br /> Intervention 12 -Infrastructure to provide access for all at railstations</p> <p>But also, of course:</p> <p>Intervention 17 -Investment in the trunk road network asset </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-320760 Mon, 13 Jan 2020 21:25:38 +0000 gembo 320760@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting article on Vienna, similar to cities that have managed good cycling infra the politicians stuck to a line over 30 years rather than scrapping progressive policies. Also where we have explored the idea of equality with women and men both being able to drive single occupant vehicles into the city the Viennese appear to have rejected this phallocentric approach and used urban planning to create areas where the pedestrian rules. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-320757 Mon, 13 Jan 2020 20:59:24 +0000 chdot 320757@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“Sure I am not alone”</p> <p>Never alone on CCE </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-320747 Mon, 13 Jan 2020 19:22:35 +0000 LaidBack 320747@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Running even a modest business fitting people to bikes means you learn a lot about how varied a world we live in.</p> <p>I've stayed clear of posting on this thread - reading and learning. Sure I am not alone. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-320736 Mon, 13 Jan 2020 17:29:30 +0000 chdot 320736@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“I link because this is why the gender/age/race/ability of respondents to surveys is important.”</p> <p>Yes.</p> <p>Perhaps all respondents ticking male should be subject to some form of weighting to ‘balance’ the last hundred years or so... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-320735 Mon, 13 Jan 2020 17:15:47 +0000 neddie 320735@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>They designed cities like there would be no other people than men going to work in the morning and coming back in the evening</em></p> <p>This pretty much describes Edinburgh. Or almost any British town for that matter :( </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=3#post-320734 Mon, 13 Jan 2020 17:02:21 +0000 fimm 320734@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/may/14/city-with-a-female-face-how-modern-vienna-was-shaped-by-women" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/may/14/city-with-a-female-face-how-modern-vienna-was-shaped-by-women</a></p> <p><em>"Like most European cities then and now, Vienna was being designed by male planners for men like them: going between home and work, by car or public transport, at mostly set times. There was no accounting for unpaid labour such as childcare or shopping, carried out mostly by women, in many short journeys on foot during the day...They designed cities like there would be no other people than men going to work in the morning and coming back in the evening – everything else in between, they kind of had no idea... "</em></p> <p>The linked article is fairly long and discusses the subtleties better than a single quote. </p> <p>I link because this is why the gender/age/race/ability of respondents to surveys is important.</p> <p>Thank you to unhurt and Arellcat for making my points about privilege etc better than I can. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=2#post-320727 Mon, 13 Jan 2020 14:01:24 +0000 Arellcat 320727@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Nor can I understand why anyone would reveal any aspect of their fantasies, anatomy and sex lives to Transport Scotland</em></p> <p>This is quite insulting. Those three things have absolutely nothing to do with the question being asked, which is based on how you identify within society, as I already explained upthread.</p> <p>Asking someone's gender is <strong>not</strong> asking about their biological sex, even though it may have the same answer. It is <strong>not</strong> asking about their predilections in forming relationships. It is <strong>not</strong> asking about what they like to do behind closed doors. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=2#post-320719 Mon, 13 Jan 2020 11:06:45 +0000 unhurt 320719@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>Nor can I understand why anyone would reveal any aspect of their fantasies, anatomy and sex lives to Transport Scotland. And they don't seem to be interested in people who simply aren't interested. </blockquote></p> <p>What is fantasies doing in that list? Are you conflating gender with sexual orientation? And are you also suggesting orientation (implicit "other than straight") is a matter of personal fantasies? Or are you alluding to the transphobic trope that trans people (actually trans women - noone seems to remember trans men exist) are actually just extreme fetishists acting out in public? </p> <p>Meanwhile your assumption that transport planners should consider stuff like this irrelevant is, to say the least, revealing of your assumptions / experience that this stuff doesn't impact people's lives - including how they move around the world. </p> <p><blockquote>PS Like most folk who have had management reponsibility I have of course read the Equalities Act 2010 and it uses sex, not gender, as a protected characteristic, though it does also use 'gender reassignment' which seems to be a matter of medical record. That is one's doctor could testify to that status in the event of a dispute.</blockquote></p> <p>I really hope you have not and will never so much as suggest someone bring you a doctor's line informing you in detail of medical interventions that have accessed to settle a dispute about their gender. Because that's an extraordinary and horrible concept. May as well demand a look in their underwear.</p> <p>You understand, of course, that there are plenty of trans people who would like to access medical aspects of transition and are unable to, for a wide variety of reasons. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=2#post-320688 Sun, 12 Jan 2020 21:18:51 +0000 I were right about that saddle 320688@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Frenchy</p> <p>Thanks. Again, underlines the impossibility (I imagine) of incorporating this data item in any analysis. It simply isn't discrete.</p> <p>@chdot</p> <p>I'm far more scared of the British state than Facebook. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=2#post-320687 Sun, 12 Jan 2020 21:13:03 +0000 gembo 320687@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I HAVE lied to facebook about my birthday though not as much as uberuce did about his</p> <p>The last spokes consultation end list thingy had 40-59 Years of age as a category which was pleasing to me as i plummet downwards.</p> <p>The way the gender question answers was set out also seemed better than some. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20018&page=2#post-320686 Sun, 12 Jan 2020 20:47:53 +0000 chdot 320686@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>One general question is how much people of whatever whateverness prefer a comprehensive list of all known options or a short list including “none of your business”?!</p> <p>The <em>real</em> question, outlined above, is to what extent any answers are taken any notice of.</p> <p>Or is it all <em>really</em> a tickbox exercise by/for whoever ordered/devised the (any) survey.</p> <p>In these days of Google/Facebook/Cambridge Analytica et al, answering any personal questions accurately is perhaps unwise(?) </p>