http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: “Over £294,000 for cycling facilities across Scottish schools and campuses“ en Sun, 17 May 2026 21:50:15 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20134#post-324406 Thu, 12 Mar 2020 00:01:03 +0000 Ed1 324406@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>£294,000 does not sound like that much </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20134#post-324403 Wed, 11 Mar 2020 23:34:18 +0000 Tulyar 324403@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think a "DestinationBikePark" study is needed, rather like the work I did with Hackney &amp; Cambridge (&amp; slightly linked to the 1995 work with Glasgow - which delivered a monitored increase of 30+% year on year growth in parked bike counts* for the installation of standard on street cycle parking - at the rate of 200-400 units per year.(* a 'local' increase in cycle use of 30+% albeit diluted in the wider area of the city)</p> <p>Best performing project of public cycle parking is Glasgow Conservatoire (RSAMD in old money) from 1 bike locked on a bollard in 1995 there is now a shelter with 48 spaces, often filled to capacity</p> <p>One serious caveat, which I've discussed in part with @arellcat re parking at her workplace. This must be purchased against a specification NOT solely selected on price. We set this up in 1995 for the basic U hoops that Glasgow orders.</p> <p>1) the tube material, wall thickness, bending (proper mandrel bends with recognised (4xD) minimum radius &amp; no 'flattening'), made from single length of tube (no stitched together off-cuts - 1 x 6.3m standard length makes 2 hoops to Sheffield City Engineers spec - no welded bends) NB of you make the hoops 'short' &amp; claim that 70 cm is enough to support a bike you can 'squeeze' 3 hoops from a standard length of 48.3mm tube or BS 1.5" 'Heavy' gauge gas pipe.<br /> 2) tube finishes - specified minimum thickness if hot dip galvanised inside &amp; outside &amp; or coatings (best is fully coloured polyeurathane -'Ferrocast' as used on oil rigs - up to 10mm thick - can have embedded reflectives - 'soft' finish does not scratch bikes - self colour never needs painting) or stainless steel (NOT polished, &amp; MUST have means to make it visible to VI pedesrians as it reflects the colours of its surroundings).<br /> 3) tapping rail/panel a) to be detectable with a cane/ stop guide dog going underneath b) to stop locked bike/bike lock sliding down vertical c) to make stands 'visible' with parking sign, or sponsor advertising<br /> 4) defined options for fixing down (&amp; contractor specs) </p> <p>Not also that 2-tier units are<br /> - much more expensive per bike,<br /> - need ceiling soffit of 2.6-2.8 metres (min)<br /> - need substantial foundations - cantilever loads - heavy frames - windage forces<br /> - loads of wearing parts to maintain (cheap ones sieze up)<br /> - can be noisy in use (Chelmsford Station bans use of upper trays 23.00-07.00)<br /> - cheap units cut corners - poor quality bearings - no latching detents (upper trays have fallen on heads of those using lower trays) - barely galvanised - inadequate structural competence (tack welds where proper full-run penetration required) - units bend under load - joints badly assembled (bolts carry all stresses rather than faces clamped together) </p> <p>Most notorious product - Allpark - installed and removed from Sevenoaks, but also Milton Keynes, Horsham, &amp; Glasgow Caledonian University.</p> <p>I can advise - based on designing &amp; specifying this for around 30 years </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20134#post-324383 Wed, 11 Mar 2020 20:31:40 +0000 chdot 324383@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“Who reckons that is what this is?”</p> <p>Is that a trick question?</p> <p>Possible answers -</p> <p>1) the minister</p> <p>2) nobody </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20134#post-324381 Wed, 11 Mar 2020 20:27:16 +0000 Morningsider 324381@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>£294,000 would have bought you 340cm of M74 extension. It is roughly 0.01% of the cost of dualling the A9. Why announce this? Why make such an outrageous claim for the effect it will have?</p> <p>I'm all for improving cycling facilities at schools, colleges and universities. It is a good thing - especially where it is part of a coherent, long-term investment plan to develop a comprehensive network of high quality segregated cycle routes, safer streets, filtered permeability and associated traffic demand reduction. </p> <p>Who reckons that is what this is? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20134#post-324373 Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:51:43 +0000 I were right about that saddle 324373@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>To be fair any cycle journey benefits many people through reduced emissions, healthcare and congestion.</p> <p>To be unfair that is total male cow poop. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20134#post-324372 Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:37:28 +0000 chdot 324372@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I’m sure you could get more than one advice leaflet for £1.13. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20134#post-324370 Wed, 11 Mar 2020 16:42:41 +0000 Morningsider 324370@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Incredible quote from the press release:</p> <p>"More than 261,000 people will benefit from the funding which will provide new or improved cycling facilities."</p> <p>So, £294,000 will benefit 261,000 people - or £1.13 per person!</p> <p>If you assume all of this will be spent on new Sheffield stands, and that an installed stand costs £150, then you would have to lock 133 bikes to each stand for 261,000 people to benefit. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20134#post-324326 Wed, 11 Mar 2020 13:23:04 +0000 chdot 324326@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.transport.gov.scot/news/over-294-000-for-cycling-facilities-across-scottish-schools-and-campuses/" rel="nofollow">https://www.transport.gov.scot/news/over-294-000-for-cycling-facilities-across-scottish-schools-and-campuses/</a> </p>