http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Scottish Govmt announces £10m for pop up cycle/walking lanes en Sat, 16 May 2026 11:18:21 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=123#post-374992 Thu, 16 May 2024 08:51:43 +0000 chdot 374992@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Crewe Road South (by Western General)</p> <p>“</p> <p>Our colleagues in Roads Operations have now confirmed that they are able to undertake the reinstatement of the cycle lane defenders and they expect to be able to do this on Saturday 25 May.</p> <p>“</p> <p>From a Cllr to local resident. </p> <p>Unclear why it’s taken so long. Work on WGH that led to them being removed because of inconvenience to buses turning into WGH, finished a while ago. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-374928 Fri, 10 May 2024 17:38:23 +0000 chdot 374928@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From email to local residents (from CEC) -</p> <p>“</p> <p>We’ve today managed to obtain confirmation from the project manager for the IGC building expansion at the Western General that the work there is now complete. We will therefore arrange for the cycle segregation along Crewe Road South to be reinstated.</p> <p>“</p> <p><em>Not seen this before (via Google)</em></p> <p><a href="https://rosehillhighways.com/narrow-cycle-lane-defenders-installation-on-crewe-road-south-edinburgh/" rel="nofollow">https://rosehillhighways.com/narrow-cycle-lane-defenders-installation-on-crewe-road-south-edinburgh/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-374457 Sun, 14 Apr 2024 19:54:21 +0000 ejstubbs 374457@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ta, will give them a go. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-374451 Sun, 14 Apr 2024 10:34:23 +0000 chdot 374451@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/edinhelp" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/edinhelp</a></p> <p>Efficient at passing stuff on to appropriate section. </p> <p>Often results in action. </p> <p>Will chase up if no apparent change after a week or so. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-374450 Sun, 14 Apr 2024 10:00:58 +0000 ejstubbs 374450@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Two lane defender bollards/posts have been demolished on Comiston Road, northbound side just before the Camus Avenue junction. Looked like accident damage rather than deliberate. Can some kind soul remind me of how to contact the council to get them replaced?</p> <p>(ISTR there is an account on the social media platform still widely referred to Twitter but my Sunday morning brain's data retrieval gnomes seem to still be in bed.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-373934 Sat, 09 Mar 2024 21:44:33 +0000 gembo 373934@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Lovely shop for the middle class parent</p> <p>Been there a. While</p> <p>I vote blacklist </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-373933 Sat, 09 Mar 2024 21:31:07 +0000 Dave 373933@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's national book voucher week, and the question has come up about whether the bookshop on Morningside rd should be on the blacklist (opposed Spaces for People) or whether they are ok. I really wish there was a register of some kind so it was easy to look up. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-372082 Sun, 03 Dec 2023 23:58:47 +0000 chdot 372082@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Anyone who still thinks #covid #PopUpBikeLanes were an @Edinburgh_CC eccentricity, check out this @NathalieOrtar/@PatrickRerat book!</p> <p>--&gt; <a href="https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-031-45308-3" rel="nofollow">https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-031-45308-3</a></p> <p>Lessons include:</p> <p>Local politics matters</p> <p>Councils *can* act quickly</p> <p>Impacts vary by city</p> <p>Opposition is expected</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1731427879227953382" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1731427879227953382</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-370936 Tue, 03 Oct 2023 22:41:55 +0000 chdot 370936@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Sheffield Council has now confirmed in a statement when the temporary measures that were not included in the final scheme will be removed. </p> <p>They said in a statement: "The ETOs (Experimental Traffic Orders) in Nether Edge, Crookes and Walkley expire on October 24. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/sheffield-active-travel-zones-council-explains-ditched-planters-removed-archer-road-sackville-crookes-nether-edge-4357754" rel="nofollow">https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/sheffield-active-travel-zones-council-explains-ditched-planters-removed-archer-road-sackville-crookes-nether-edge-4357754</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-369820 Fri, 18 Aug 2023 18:44:30 +0000 acsimpson 369820@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It appears that the days where we elected leaders have gone and instead we get weasels who want to pretend consultations are referendums.</p> <p>I know it's not the same level of human suffering but apartheid would never have been abolished if it was put to a referendum. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-369818 Fri, 18 Aug 2023 17:04:06 +0000 Dave 369818@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Who really believes that respondents will ask for more restrictions at this stage? The ones who want the "unsightly" restrictions removed will be much, much more motivated to fill in yet another survey for starters. The council would have to invest significant effort (and expense) in marketing and leading a solution that looks like "we'll bring the outrage of the Corstorphine LTN to your door".</p> <p>This kind of thing needs political leadership, because while it seems to be a vote winner in hindsight it doesn't appear to be a vote winner ahead of implementation.</p> <p>Putting it on the ballot is actually a work of (evil) genius, because it means they can legitimately say that they offered a real LTN but residents turned it down. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-369804 Fri, 18 Aug 2023 10:45:47 +0000 neddie 369804@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>On the positive side, Cllr Arthur did mention that one of the options for the Braid estate would be a "full" LTN (whatever that means).</p> <p>On the minus side, what do the council hope to achieve by asking the residents? If they end up with an answer that goes against the council's own objectives, what are they going to do then? Ignore the residents? There is already controversy over the area selected to define who are "residents" and who aren't. Large parts of the catchments of the schools in the area aren't included, for example </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-369801 Fri, 18 Aug 2023 10:38:55 +0000 Dave 369801@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yep, the solution is so obvious as evidenced by hundreds of successful low traffic schemes across the country - but as the councillors aren't willing to do that, they've set it up to fail. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-369798 Fri, 18 Aug 2023 10:10:09 +0000 Yodhrin 369798@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Cowards. They know damn well what the result will be and just want cover to dump the whole thing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-369797 Fri, 18 Aug 2023 09:49:00 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 369797@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-spaces-for-people-residents-will-be-asked-to-rank-three-options-for-future-of-braid-road-scheme-4259407" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-spaces-for-people-residents-will-be-asked-to-rank-three-options-for-future-of-braid-road-scheme-4259407</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-369649 Tue, 08 Aug 2023 21:46:03 +0000 gembo 369649@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The Lang Whang history is all toll houses and inns. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-369647 Tue, 08 Aug 2023 21:16:44 +0000 acsimpson 369647@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks for the clarification. I guess it just goes to show that whatever we consider normal and "the way things are done" is probably only a short term setup which has been changed often in the past.</p> <p>I'm aware of at least a couple of toll houses in Scotland (eg Cramond Brig) so I'm not surprised that it was similar here.</p> <p>Someone recently alluded to the French being far better at accepting that change it likely/possible than us. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-369645 Tue, 08 Aug 2023 19:51:41 +0000 ejstubbs 369645@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@acsimpson: <em>You could similarly say that our roads have always been free at point of use so why would that change.</em></p> <p>Well, up to a point - and generally true within a parish. But until the Local Government Act 1888 made the maintenance of major roads the responsibility of the newly-created county councils, the majority of travel between centres of habitation on made roads was via tolled thoroughfares. In the earlier part of the 19th century the turnpike trusts (which were set up by individual acts of parliament, somewhat akin to the way railways were later authorised) administered around 30,000 miles of turnpike road <u>in England and Wales</u>*, taking tolls at almost 8,000 toll-gates and side-bars.</p> <p><em>* I'm not sure what the situation was in Scotland, because the WIki article I pulled the above detail from has a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turnpike_trust#Scotland">gaping hole under that subject heading</a>! However, slide 12 of <a href="https://www.abdn.ac.uk/geosciences/documents/RSGS.pptx">this Powerpoint presentation</a> apparently originating from the RSGS would seem to indicate that the situation north of the border was fairly similar/</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-369639 Tue, 08 Aug 2023 15:03:28 +0000 acsimpson 369639@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You could similarly say that our roads have always been free at point of use so why would that change. But I think we agree that something needs to change.</p> <p>We have used rationing in the past when a resource is severely limited and there simply isn't enough of it for everyone to have their fill. Food may be expensive at times but before the Torys broke the system our country at least ensured that people had the bare minimum required for survival. I would suggest that being able to travel for work at least is a basic requirement (more so for those on lower incomes). Which is why I would introduce a rationed limit on the most restricted roads. This could of course be fitted into our capitalist ways with increasing costs for subsequent uses. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-369634 Tue, 08 Aug 2023 12:27:53 +0000 neddie 369634@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@acsimpson</p> <p>We don’t use rationing for any other limited resource. We don’t ration bread, or helicopters - only the rich get access to helicopters and more affluent people can buy the best bread &amp; cakes in the land, while potentially leaving nothing, or pricing out the poor. </p> <p>Like it or not, money is what we use to decide who really needs a limited resource. And generally it works well* Why on Earth do we allow road usage to be free at the point of use, thereby rendering it a useless slow moving crawl, where people only get out of their cars when it becomes too slow**? <em>Money</em> decides who really needs something - sorry, that’s just the way it is, I don’t make the rules. </p> <p>*At least it would if there wasn’t such huge wealth disparity between rich &amp; poor<br /> **Average speed of traffic in London (&amp; any other city) has remained at 7.8mph for the last century! - this is the equilibrium between “too slow, use another mode, another time, or don’t travel” and “too fast, drive more as it’s more convenient” </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-369627 Mon, 07 Aug 2023 20:46:56 +0000 acsimpson 369627@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@neddie, It's far from obvious why those who can pay more should be allowed priority access to our roads. Although I do like the idea of charging the same per passenger for a car as for a bus, so if you want to take 4 seats into town then it will cost you 4 bus fares, etc.</p> <p>I would personally prefer a rationing system whereby you are allowed a certain number of trips per day/week/month and once you've used them all us then you have no choice but to take the bus. I suppose this would eventually boil down to some sort of penalty payment for those who are really desperate to keep choking the city though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-369615 Mon, 07 Aug 2023 14:02:55 +0000 chdot 369615@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“because Edinburgh has a hole within the bypass and Midlothian has its finger in it.“</p> <p>Whoever devised/agreed the Ed/MidL border has a lot to answer for. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-369613 Mon, 07 Aug 2023 12:13:23 +0000 Arellcat 369613@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Also, "the impact" can include fairly intangible results such as happier children, peace and quiet, easier access to nature, almost impossible to measure and put a monetary value on - but very valuable none the less.</p> <p>Most of our current transport problems are a result of the idea that "the impact" of any intervention is measured by its success in reducing journey times (and hence costs) for car drivers.</em></p> <p>We managed this for a scant few months when the pandemic was in full flow, simply by not allowing people to travel unless they really, really had to. When the reason was for exercise in the fresh air, we let people travel a bit, and whaddaya know, people went mad for bikes.</p> <p>The A702/A703 at Hillend is more or less back to its peak time morning congestion. Midlothian is rapidly preparing to push hundreds more cars onto the A703 and A701 as it tries valiantly to fill every remaining field with houses. The section at Millerhill/Shawfair is allowing the greenbelt to leak, because Edinburgh has a hole within the bypass and Midlothian has its finger in it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-369611 Mon, 07 Aug 2023 11:40:49 +0000 neddie 369611@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The only way to solve congestion on overloaded main roads is via pay-per-use road user charging </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-369610 Mon, 07 Aug 2023 11:27:04 +0000 Dave 369610@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The whole situation around Braid Rd is so short sighted. As midlothian continues to allocate space for tens of thousands of new houses the impact of congestion on Comiston bus routes will get worse and worse, regardless of how much Cllr Arthur et al try to use Braid Rd as a relief valve at the expense of active/local journeys. So in the end, there will be no quiet route / LTN and there will still be deeply unattractive bus services.</p> <p>The council should have gone deeper and further, restricting right turns off Comiston for example to send citybound traffic over to the A701 </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-369609 Mon, 07 Aug 2023 10:38:39 +0000 Morningsider 369609@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Of course, "the impact" of reallocating carriageway space to pedestrians and cyclists is almost always going to be longer journey times for other road users. It isn't some side effect, it is the desired effect. Make travelling by car less attractive and people might choose to walk or cycle instead.</p> <p>If there is an unacceptable impact on bus travel, then work out a solution that also prioritises buses or reduces car use - more bus lanes, priority at traffic lights, park and ride sites, congestion charging, workplace parking levy and so on.</p> <p>Also, "the impact" can include fairly intangible results such as happier children, peace and quiet, easier access to nature, almost impossible to measure and put a monetary value on - but very valuable none the less.</p> <p>Most of our current transport problems are a result of the idea that "the impact" of any intervention is measured by its success in reducing journey times (and hence costs) for car drivers. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-369601 Sun, 06 Aug 2023 09:17:21 +0000 chdot 369601@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Braid Road (again)</p> <p>“</p> <p>The decision was taken by the last administration due to the impact on public transport. The impact it has had is on the agenda for the August Transport Committee.<br /> “</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1688078353331290112" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1688078353331290112</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-368781 Mon, 19 Jun 2023 11:20:40 +0000 CycleAlex 368781@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There were/are utility works there connecting up the new developments that had closed off one lane. Hopefully they’re just waiting to be reinstalled. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-368779 Mon, 19 Jun 2023 10:16:09 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 368779@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Some of the segregation on Fountainbridge has been removed and dumped at the side of the road outside the Printmakers (I'll need to get a photo). Strongly suspecting wildcat action by the construction oaves next door - anyone know anything to the contrary? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20194&page=122#post-368112 Wed, 17 May 2023 09:07:50 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 368112@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hearing a Tesla has demolished some of the segregation on Slateford Rd - has anyone observed? </p>