http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: South West Edinburgh in Motion en Sun, 17 May 2026 21:06:52 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=5#post-347655 Wed, 03 Mar 2021 22:31:50 +0000 Stickman 347655@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It might be a disgruntled local activist but it's definitely not Mark Brown. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=5#post-347654 Wed, 03 Mar 2021 22:22:00 +0000 neddie 347654@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Blocked him ages ago. Got fed up of his bile </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=5#post-347653 Wed, 03 Mar 2021 22:11:58 +0000 SnowyTheWolf 347653@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And I’d suggest that would most likely be Tory Cllr Mark Brown. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=5#post-347652 Wed, 03 Mar 2021 21:59:14 +0000 SnowyTheWolf 347652@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Did Mr C Mount just accidentally un-mask himself?<br /> <a href="https://twitter.com/craigmount4/status/1367211722038276107?s=21" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/craigmount4/status/1367211722038276107?s=21</a> </p> <p>“My ward” - surely only something a councillor would say imo </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=5#post-342769 Fri, 25 Dec 2020 18:14:53 +0000 chdot 342769@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Dry dock behind skatepark -<br /> <a href="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50759194486_f117fbc560_k.jpg"><br /> <img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50759194486_b592216e5e.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=5#post-342765 Fri, 25 Dec 2020 17:17:42 +0000 gembo 342765@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hoboken New Jersey is the home of one of my favourite lo fi Bands Yo La Tengo </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=5#post-342756 Fri, 25 Dec 2020 14:55:59 +0000 chdot 342756@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>COMPLETELY unrelated -</p> <p>“</p> <p>There are many of us in our town who are against the eminent domain ordinance authorizing the city to seize the land and more who take issue with the divisive tone and aggressive language being deployed by political operatives to go after those who dissent from the mayor’s perspective. </p> <p>Regardless of where one falls on the issue, everyone believes Hoboken deserves a better public debate than threatening press conferences, angry rallies, and half-truth based sound bites. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://hudsoncountyview.com/letter-eminent-domain-abuse-is-the-wrong-way-to-solve-hobokens-union-dry-dock-issues/" rel="nofollow">https://hudsoncountyview.com/letter-eminent-domain-abuse-is-the-wrong-way-to-solve-hobokens-union-dry-dock-issues/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=5#post-342753 Fri, 25 Dec 2020 00:05:46 +0000 chdot 342753@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I’m confident it’s two people. </p> <p>One is in denial, one is a lot odd. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=5#post-342752 Thu, 24 Dec 2020 23:58:41 +0000 I were right about that saddle 342752@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hunter/Craig Mount is/are quite clearly a bit odd. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=5#post-342751 Thu, 24 Dec 2020 23:46:56 +0000 chdot 342751@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>More importantly there are a whole lot of people responding with better alternative facts, showing that each one isn’t alone when they advocate (either personally or as part of a group). </p> <p>I could be concerned by about the health of the person stirring all this up, but they seem quite calm. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=5#post-342750 Thu, 24 Dec 2020 23:07:04 +0000 gembo 342750@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@chdot, hats off for the engagement. You are revealing some truly weird stuff </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=5#post-342748 Thu, 24 Dec 2020 22:55:25 +0000 chdot 342748@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>More paranoid honesty -</p> <p>“</p> <p>See you have just proven my point. You are not putting pedestrians at the top of the transport hierarchy. Kettle the tourists so you can dominate on your bikes.</p> <p>“ </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=4#post-342726 Thu, 24 Dec 2020 15:37:36 +0000 chdot 342726@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“See also my beloved parliament building and even The Trams”</p> <p>You mean things that get done without ‘public permission’? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=4#post-342725 Thu, 24 Dec 2020 15:34:45 +0000 gembo 342725@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Flow is made up</p> <p>Traffic volume is the issue</p> <p>Psychologists wasted many years trying to persuade racists about the wrongs of segregation in the US of A</p> <p>Government Switched tack in the late 1960s and went with enforced behaviour change and then attitudes followed.</p> <p>See also my beloved parliament building and even The Trams </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=4#post-342722 Thu, 24 Dec 2020 14:56:09 +0000 chdot 342722@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This sums it up really. </p> <p>All about a skewed view of the importance of the imagined majority and more importantly the validity of their view/right/needs/desires/privilege (like he knows!)</p> <p>A belief that (other) people’s views don’t change even when facts/circumstances do. </p> <p>No understanding that if you actually show (or install!) something different, people might like it. </p> <p>Etc</p> <p>“</p> <p>A lot of the steps I’ve listed will make cycling safer. It’s not 0% or 100%. I believe local residents &amp; all road users should be taken into consideration, because (&amp; I know you’re not saying this) it isn’t all about cyclists. Far greater number are vested in road access &amp; flow.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/dhunter100/status/1342080316027109376" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/dhunter100/status/1342080316027109376</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=4#post-342719 Thu, 24 Dec 2020 14:24:32 +0000 I were right about that saddle 342719@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Now that really sounds like war!</em></p> <p>Learning from this year for me was that 'we' have been in a war all along. Our polite campaigning and fact-based engagement were in fact just bouncing off the six-inch thick armour of the car lobby.</p> <p>The pandemic forced them to use their tanks to rip out existing cycle lanes and set up pressure groups. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=4#post-342717 Thu, 24 Dec 2020 14:02:11 +0000 chdot 342717@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“Deactivate the other side's activists”</p> <p>Now that really sounds like war!</p> <p>Hard to know how much they imagine they have Trumplike followers - whatever’s is put on Twitter is gospel/to be agreed with...</p> <p>But other watchers are being educated/entertained. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=4#post-342715 Thu, 24 Dec 2020 13:44:19 +0000 I were right about that saddle 342715@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@neddie</p> <p>Also useful to move active opponents into passive opponents. Takes skill but can be done. Deactivate the other side's activists. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=4#post-342714 Thu, 24 Dec 2020 13:37:39 +0000 neddie 342714@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Remember, you cannot convert active opponents. It’s better to spend your energy motivating passive allies to become active allies. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=4#post-342713 Thu, 24 Dec 2020 13:01:46 +0000 Rob 342713@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Apologies for my part in all the spam over the last few days. That pair are puzzle and I struggle to leave a puzzle unsolved.</p> <p>I think it's fairly clear now that DH wants the status quo, even if he doesn't realise what he's describing <em>is</em> the status quo, i.e. safe cycling only where it doesn't impact on anyone. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=4#post-342710 Thu, 24 Dec 2020 12:19:12 +0000 chdot 342710@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“he is best ignored as a selfish crank“</p> <p>Yes I’ve stopped responding. </p> <p>BUT it was good seeing all the people responding to the nonsense with facts. </p> <p>Clarified what he really thinks and how illogical most of it is. </p> <p>He cycles too you know... (he says). </p> <p>His sidekick is a bit more random. Bit like Simon Parker - wants all on-road parking banned. </p> <p>‘When do you want it?’ - ‘like, about now(?)’</p> <p>‘How?’ - ‘Dunno’ </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=4#post-342708 Thu, 24 Dec 2020 11:58:13 +0000 neddie 342708@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Whilst the “Hunter” thread has been entertaining, I’m not sure it’s helpful to amplify his views by engaging. </p> <p>Per the previous quote, he is best ignored as a selfish crank </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=4#post-342707 Thu, 24 Dec 2020 11:52:40 +0000 Stickman 342707@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>He’s been very upset about people drawing links between his campaigning position and his employer’s industry. He wasn’t so sniffy when making allegations about @Hart’s_Cyclery’s motivations for supporting safe cycle routes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=4#post-342706 Thu, 24 Dec 2020 11:36:51 +0000 neddie 342706@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote> Absolutely this. They are filibustering and will argue every single point, in the hope that people will grow tired of the argument and give up, or that councils will get cold feet. They are not engaging in good faith and should be ignored.</blockquote></p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/darrenb00879719/status/1341767892438839296?s=21" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/darrenb00879719/status/1341767892438839296?s=21</a></p> <p>Hunter does not care about pollution, cycling or road safety. Only cares about maintaining his driving privileges </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=4#post-342686 Thu, 24 Dec 2020 00:03:00 +0000 chdot 342686@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>where local residents on board and traffic flow makes sense</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/dhunter100/status/1341880171108986882" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/dhunter100/status/1341880171108986882</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=4#post-342684 Wed, 23 Dec 2020 23:58:42 +0000 chdot 342684@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“I suspect once the East Craigs saga is over we won’t hear from him again.”</p> <p>Not so sure, seems to be enjoying promoting <em>himself</em>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=4#post-342682 Wed, 23 Dec 2020 23:31:25 +0000 Stickman 342682@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Maybe after 40+ years of evidence-based campaigning his “Get Edinburgh Moving” group may get what he wants. I suspect once the East Craigs saga is over we won’t hear from him again. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=4#post-342678 Wed, 23 Dec 2020 21:50:56 +0000 chdot 342678@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"where makes sense and affordable"</p> <p>Yeah that was a good one. </p> <p>But the wider point (which no doubt they would refute), is that in a world where all his was taken seriously, decent walk/cycle infrastructure would save money in all sorts of ways. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=4#post-342675 Wed, 23 Dec 2020 21:28:42 +0000 Morningsider 342675@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hmmm - anyone who claims to support cycle infrastructure "where makes sense and affordable" and makes it reliant on "agreement of local residents" does not support cycle infrastructure. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20431&page=4#post-342674 Wed, 23 Dec 2020 21:27:12 +0000 Stickman 342674@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Look at all the caveats: full consultation, local agreement, “subject to traffic flow assessments”. </p> <p>It’s straight out of the Tory’s handbook. “Of course I support cycling projects, just not this particular one” - repeat ad infinitum. </p>