http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Edinburgh Leisure’s self interest gone mad? en Sun, 31 May 2026 09:24:12 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20614#post-351617 Mon, 14 Jun 2021 16:29:43 +0000 mga 351617@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Artisan clubs were set up more the the working class as opposed to the clubs that were for "gentlemen".</p> <p>Leven links for example has two clubs sharing the course, Leven Golfing Society and Leven Thistle (artisan).</p> <p>St Andrews has many clubs sharing the same courses such as the R&amp;A, St Andrews club and St Andrews Thistle. The latter two were set up as artisan clubs. These clubs started to appear in the later part of the 19th century as the game became cheaper to play.</p> <p>The clubs mentioned in the article don't have their own course so would want access to regular blocks of tee times so they organise their competitions for members. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20614#post-351606 Mon, 14 Jun 2021 12:51:48 +0000 gembo 351606@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The sixth oldest golf course in the world with the oldest trophy still played for (from 1774)</p> <p>Is run by the Musselburgh Miners Charitable Society </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20614#post-351605 Mon, 14 Jun 2021 12:48:32 +0000 chdot 351605@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>A LAST minute bid to save Ayr stampworks has failed. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/rescue-bid-fails-save-ayr-2439215" rel="nofollow">https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/rescue-bid-fails-save-ayr-2439215</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20614#post-351603 Mon, 14 Jun 2021 12:32:58 +0000 crowriver 351603@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hm, seems nothing to do with Edinburgh Trades (though there is an Edinburgh Drapers golf club).</p> <p>---</p> <p>Artisan</p> <p>A class of membership of a golf club with restricted rights at a low cost. Historically, many British golf clubs had small artisan sections, drawn from the working classes. Typically artisan members had limited playing rights, could not enter the clubhouse, had no vote on the management of the club, played in separate competitions from the main membership and had to perform unpaid maintenance of the course. Often an artisan club was a separate organisation that had negotiated use of a course with a private members club. Some artisan organisations have survived to this day.</p> <p>---</p> <p><a href="https://www.allsquaregolf.com/golf-terms/artisan" rel="nofollow">https://www.allsquaregolf.com/golf-terms/artisan</a></p> <p><a href="https://edinburghdrapers.co.uk" rel="nofollow">https://edinburghdrapers.co.uk</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20614#post-351598 Mon, 14 Jun 2021 11:16:59 +0000 gembo 351598@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Having grown up on a municipal course in Ayr, well in the flat above the council owned locker room and indeed the most official club’s little committee room (that anyone could use) I am intrigued there could be preferred tee off times ever</p> <p>As with the Craiglockhart badminton courts phoning at 7am when the booking office opened was the only way to get a tee off time on the popular courses. Our course was less popular and as such you just put your ball in a tube and waited until it was first.</p> <p>Many workers’ clubs also operated out of the course. The Stamp Works in AYr was my club. But you also had to be a member of the official club to get your Handicap.</p> <p>AN aside - somebody moved to Ayr from further afield and bought a house near the stamp works on a Sunday viewing. They moved in on a saturday and had two good nights sleep only to be rudely awakened early on the monday and every subsequent working day.</p> <p>I have also been in a most modest club room at the Braids again I would judge an original Factory club etc. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20614#post-351595 Mon, 14 Jun 2021 10:44:10 +0000 crowriver 351595@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Stickman, could be. Prior to local government reorganisation the various trades and merchants had formal roles in the governance of most city burghs in Scotland. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20614#post-351594 Mon, 14 Jun 2021 10:26:08 +0000 Stickman 351594@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Private clubs (like for example Mortonhall or Craigmillar Park) own their own course. </p> <p>The clubs in the EEN article don’t own any of the courses; they are based at the council-owned course and usually get things like allocated regular tee-times. Most famous example of this is St Andrews: despite its imposing clubhouse on the first tee the Royal &amp; Ancient don’t own the Old Course. </p> <p>Not sure why they are called “artisan” though. Maybe they were related to trades in the past? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20614#post-351593 Mon, 14 Jun 2021 10:25:19 +0000 Dave 351593@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Anyone can start a private club, to be truly privileged you need artisanal status? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20614#post-351592 Mon, 14 Jun 2021 10:21:39 +0000 SRD 351592@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>what's the difference between an 'artisan' club and a private club? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20614#post-351590 Mon, 14 Jun 2021 09:55:14 +0000 Stickman 351590@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Filling up tee-times by pairing people up is absolutely standard on busy pay-to-play courses elsewhere. </p> <p>These are unique times and I think it's entirely fair for EL to do this. </p> <p>Perhaps these clubs would like to see how much these courses have been subsidised as golf's popularity has declined over the years? Until Covid, Carrick Knowe was deserted for the majority of the time. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20614#post-351589 Mon, 14 Jun 2021 09:50:18 +0000 chdot 351589@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I’m not a golf person and don’t entirely understand the technicalities here, but seems that EL is upsetting conditions for regular users to (try to) make a bit more money(?)</p> <p>Apparently Covid has increased demand for golf, so is it just a case of tradition/privilege being overturned to deal with demand?</p> <p>“</p> <p>Officials at artisan clubs based at the Braids and also at Silverknowes are furious with Edinburgh Leisure after losing pre-booked tee-times that had been in place for decades. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/historic-edinburgh-golf-clubs-fear-closure-3271317" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/historic-edinburgh-golf-clubs-fear-closure-3271317</a> </p>