http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Upcoming Highway Code revision - modal priority. en Sun, 17 May 2026 19:04:55 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673&page=2#post-364655 Wed, 09 Nov 2022 10:23:54 +0000 neddie 364655@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"signifiinaccurate information"</p> <p>A new word, invented by the chipwrapper</p> <p>E.g. To say the new cycle infrastructure we've seen built recently is world class is signifiinaccurate </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673&page=2#post-364654 Wed, 09 Nov 2022 10:17:10 +0000 chdot 364654@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/lifestyle/cars/drivers-warned-of-fake-highway-code-books-that-could-see-them-fail-their-test-3903923" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/lifestyle/cars/drivers-warned-of-fake-highway-code-books-that-could-see-them-fail-their-test-3903923</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-359074 Tue, 22 Mar 2022 00:33:39 +0000 chdot 359074@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/21/id-change-one-thing-about-the-new-highway-code-and-put-suv-drivers-in-their-place" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/21/id-change-one-thing-about-the-new-highway-code-and-put-suv-drivers-in-their-place</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-358234 Sun, 30 Jan 2022 14:03:39 +0000 Greenroofer 358234@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@LaidBack - Elephant Bikes excellent for Critical Mass rides, due to their incredible stability and the way one can ride them in an absolute straight line slower than walking pace. Tern (HSD in my case) not good for these rides with a passenger on the back unless one also has a lot of weight over the front wheel: hard to ride slowly in a straight line.</p> <p>Not sure that an Elephant Bike tandem is 'a thing', and if it were, one would have to be careful while out riding because of its tendency to attract, through the force of gravity, heavy objects (planets, stars...) due to its immense weight. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-358233 Sun, 30 Jan 2022 13:35:51 +0000 LaidBack 358233@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>@chdot Main place I do ‘middle of lane’ is approaching islands/refuges. Also, with degrees of success/fear, approaches to roundabouts. </blockquote></p> <p>Going right at Bristo Place and from Gilmore Place also. Both common NCN routes but not understood to be so by drivers. This is the 'letting cyclist out' request and can only be done if you are confident and able to look over shoulder, signalling and pointing at painted bike lane. Does not apply to Gilmore Place as all markings worn off, no r/h bike lane ever painted! </p> <p><em>Daughter only cycled around solo for a while at high school. When younger she understood that tandeming was safer. Noted two tandems on yesterday's CM ride round town. Elephant Bikes and Tern GSDs another option.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-358232 Sun, 30 Jan 2022 13:35:06 +0000 ejstubbs 358232@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@chdot: <em>...4% who had “no intention” of looking at the details.</em></p> <p>So that's 4% of drivers who have no intention of getting behind the wheel of a motor vehicle again because their knowledge and understanding of the Highway Code is out of date, then?</p> <p>Thought not... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-358231 Sun, 30 Jan 2022 13:09:55 +0000 Morningsider 358231@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is anyone actually planning on cycling differently because of these changes? Those with kids now happy to let them pedal off themselves?</p> <p>...</p> <p>Thought not. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-358229 Sat, 29 Jan 2022 15:56:40 +0000 steveo 358229@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>But as Neil Greig said on RScot ‘UKGov has failed to run an information campaign before changing the rules’. </blockquote></p> <p>Aye but that hauf witt really wants a consultation to bury it with. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-358228 Sat, 29 Jan 2022 15:11:59 +0000 edinburgh87 358228@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Definitely seems to be triggering the gammon contingent in my Facebook feed. Guess the disingenuous way it has been covered in the media won’t have helped. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-358223 Sat, 29 Jan 2022 12:37:09 +0000 crowriver 358223@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Neil Greig, the stopped clock of road safety. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-358220 Sat, 29 Jan 2022 11:20:56 +0000 chdot 358220@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“Twice heard that "cyclists will ride in the middle of the road" on the “</p> <p>Radio Scotland too</p> <p>Discussion included someone from CyclingUK. </p> <p>Bizarre really</p> <p>Road and lane - the difference is simple and must be understood by 99% of road users </p> <p>Any chance novice cyclists will take it literally??</p> <p>More likely put people off from cycling. </p> <p>Not even sure ‘cyclists will/can cycle in middle of lane’ is helpful. </p> <p>There are 2 main reasons for doing it - parked car door zones and discouraging overtaking. </p> <p>I’m sure I often cycle ‘too close’ to parked cars - informed by ‘dynamic risk assessing’ of whether there is anyone inside. </p> <p>Main place I do ‘middle of lane’ is approaching islands/refuges. Also, with degrees of success/fear, approaches to roundabouts. </p> <p>But as Neil Greig said on RScot ‘UKGov has failed to run an information campaign <em>before</em> changing the rules’. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-358219 Sat, 29 Jan 2022 09:57:40 +0000 MediumDave 358219@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Twice heard that "cyclists will ride in the middle of the road" on the Today programme this morning.</p> <p>&lt;rule2&gt;</p> <p>Email fired off, for all the good it will do. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-358218 Sat, 29 Jan 2022 09:28:08 +0000 chdot 358218@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Cyclists and pedestrians are better protected as of Saturday as a revamp of the Highway Code comes into force, despite concerns that millions of drivers are confused by or unaware of the changes. </p> <p>An AA survey of more than 13,700 drivers carried out this month indicated that 33% were unaware of the changes, including 4% who had “no intention” of looking at the details. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/29/highway-code-update-comes-into-force-in-england-scotland-and-wales" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/29/highway-code-update-comes-into-force-in-england-scotland-and-wales</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-358192 Thu, 27 Jan 2022 21:20:50 +0000 the canuck 358192@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I keep telling myself I won't get involved in the comments for those articles, then I see someone saying "I refuse to bow down to cyclists!" or "Everyone is going to be rear ending each other!" and I can't help myself. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-358180 Thu, 27 Jan 2022 11:48:02 +0000 Rosie 358180@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The govt should have posted a leaflet to every household, instead of relying on the media to send out a distorted message.</p> <p>Article about the worse misrepresentations (including, of course Littlebrain in the Daily Mail).<br /> <a href="https://road.cc/content/news/national-newspapers-continue-anti-cycling-attacks-289795" rel="nofollow">https://road.cc/content/news/national-newspapers-continue-anti-cycling-attacks-289795</a></p> <p>Surprisingly positive article about Critical Mass in the Evening News who are marking the changes in their next ride.</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/edinburgh-cyclists-celebrate-changes-to-highway-code-making-roads-safer-for-vulnerable-users-3540924" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/edinburgh-cyclists-celebrate-changes-to-highway-code-making-roads-safer-for-vulnerable-users-3540924</a></p> <p>I posted this well-written article about the entitled driver from (surprisingly) the Spectator on Spokes Facebook, which has received more reactions than any other post.</p> <p><a href="https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/entitled-motorists-have-ruled-the-roads-for-far-too-long" rel="nofollow">https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/entitled-motorists-have-ruled-the-roads-for-far-too-long</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-358144 Tue, 25 Jan 2022 13:21:13 +0000 Yodhrin 358144@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Unfortunately neddie, the problem is that driving seems to instigate in people exactly those same angry attitudes. A lot of people *say* they're fine with something, but when they're behind the wheel of their insulated, soundproof mobile living room on their way home from work and you are <strong>in their way</strong> a lot of them are going to be more like the twitter radgies than their normal, reasonable selves. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-358141 Tue, 25 Jan 2022 10:12:58 +0000 neddie 358141@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Always worth remembering that Facebook and Twitter are designed to stoke anger. They promote tweets/posts with "angry" content, as this drives up viewing, keeps you hooked - they want your attention</p> <p>Basically, Facebook and Twitter don't give a true picture of what most normal people think (which is essentially, "yeah, whatever, the new rules are fine") </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-358134 Mon, 24 Jan 2022 19:46:01 +0000 acsimpson 358134@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@arrelcat. That's quite a list of ignorance.</p> <p>At least whoever wrote this one is correct:</p> <p>The diagram (from the official advertisement doesn't have a pedestrian crossing and therefore suggests that pedestrians have right of way even though no crossing exists.</p> <p>I suspect they don't realise it though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-358132 Mon, 24 Jan 2022 18:12:41 +0000 Yodhrin 358132@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It really is concerning reading the reaction to this from drivists, mostly because over and over the common thread I'm noticing is it really is just down to their perception that a bicycle isn't a "proper" road user and their general ignorance of the rules as they already exist. When it gets explained to them that, no, they're not "legalizing undertaking a car that's indicating to turn!!111!!!2", they're clarifying that actually bikes and bike lanes *do* count in terms of the rules about not turning across active lanes of traffic because too many drivists didn't realise that was already the case, they're completely stunned or indignant at the very notion. Ditto for pretty much everything else. Like, I knew that was the case with the &lt;rule 2&gt;'s I've encountered myself, but I'd hoped they were the exception rather than the rule.</p> <p>So I'm now decidedly less optimistic these will do anything of substance, even discounting the absolute loons on FB saying they'll intentionally ignore the new rules and cannot wait to run down some "road lice". </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-358129 Mon, 24 Jan 2022 16:39:27 +0000 MediumDave 358129@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sore tempted to respond to all the complaining cagers in Other Places with</p> <p>"Please, my privilege, he is very sick..." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-358128 Mon, 24 Jan 2022 16:15:53 +0000 Roibeard 358128@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What gets me is all the articles stating that "now cyclists have priority on roundabouts"!</p> <p>Surely no driver actually believed that they only had to give way to other drivers when entering a roundabout?</p> <p>Although I suppose if they now start giving way as a result of this mythical change, it will be an improvement...</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-358123 Mon, 24 Jan 2022 15:52:53 +0000 Arellcat 358123@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>One of the motorbike groups I'm a member of has come up with some absolute bangers.</p> <p><ul><li>We are to expect rear crashes with car [drivers] having to stop for pedestrians. Solution: 'move pedestrian crossings 10 meters away from junctions and make it law'.</li><li>Drivers 'stopping suddenly' on a 40/50/60mph road to let a pedestrian cross. The pedestrian is apparently in no danger at all and 'can wait for a bit'.</li><li>[Us bikers] are all highly anticipative, but the driver behind may not have the same sense ability.</li><li>It's another form of depopulation.</li><li>It's a deluge of accidents waiting to happen and 'pedestrians have right of way on the pavement, not the road!!!!!11!' And then we get 'as for the cyclists' who apparently ride all over the road now, usually two abreast, and 'they are a menace'.</li><li>The diagram (from the official advertisement doesn't have a pedestrian crossing and therefore suggests that pedestrians have right of way even though no crossing exists.</li><li>It's 'risk based safety' and if you are using a bigger vehicle, you're stuffed.</li><li>It'll lead to more pedestrian &amp; cyclist deaths. And the evergreen: "I wouldn't mind but"...'pedestrians already think stepping into a road staring at a phone makes them invincible'.</li><li>'Stopping on a potentially 60mph road to allow a pedestrian to cross is [rule 2] stupid!' And then we get the <em>coup de grace</em>: '90% of cyclists are MORONS with a superiority complex who don't even stop for red lights!'</li><li>etc.</li></ul></p> <p>I was doing my best to counter some of these but have lost the will to live. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-358119 Mon, 24 Jan 2022 14:29:34 +0000 chdot 358119@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/24/common-myths-about-what-uk-highway-code-changes-will-mean" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/24/common-myths-about-what-uk-highway-code-changes-will-mean</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-357721 Thu, 30 Dec 2021 23:21:19 +0000 chdot 357721@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/30/two-in-three-uk-drivers-unaware-of-planned-highway-code-changes" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/30/two-in-three-uk-drivers-unaware-of-planned-highway-code-changes</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-353282 Fri, 30 Jul 2021 20:55:37 +0000 edinburgh87 353282@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Daily Mail commenters currently having kittens so must be good! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-353273 Fri, 30 Jul 2021 18:28:23 +0000 stiltskin 353273@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The Daily Mash nails it</p> <p><a href="https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/outrage-as-new-highway-code-makes-it-an-offence-to-run-down-cyclists-20210730210672" rel="nofollow">https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/outrage-as-new-highway-code-makes-it-an-offence-to-run-down-cyclists-20210730210672</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-353265 Fri, 30 Jul 2021 12:04:30 +0000 fimm 353265@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I stand corrected. Thank you. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-353255 Fri, 30 Jul 2021 10:08:35 +0000 ejstubbs 353255@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@fimm: <em>I don't think they need to go through parliament</em></p> <p>Actually, it does: "In accordance with section 38(3) of the Road Traffic Act 1988, where the Secretary of State proposes to revise The Highway Code by making any alterations in the provision of The Highway Code (other than alterations merely consequential on the passing, amendment or repeal of any statutory provision) he must lay the proposed alterations before both Houses of Parliament and must not make the proposed revision until after the end of a period of forty days beginning with the day on which the alterations were so laid"</p> <p>From: <a href="https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/997749/2021-_Revised_Highway_Code.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/997749/2021-_Revised_Highway_Code.pdf</a> (which also includes the full amended text of the HC as proposed). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-353249 Fri, 30 Jul 2021 09:05:32 +0000 fimm 353249@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>...Assuming the revisions make it through parliament...</blockquote><br /> I don't think they need to go through parliament - the Highway Code isn't law, just guidance combined with the law in easy to understand languae. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20673#post-353248 Fri, 30 Jul 2021 08:26:17 +0000 gembo 353248@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Position yourself in the centre of your lane if it is safe to do so.</p> <p>Or you are brave enough and willing to have this argument with a driver, </p>