http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Activists (not) slashing SUV tyres en Mon, 18 May 2026 23:56:35 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=6#post-377172 Mon, 04 Nov 2024 17:39:02 +0000 chdot 377172@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/04/edinburgh-activists-tyre-extinguishers-target-suvs-in-solidarity-with-spains-flood-victims" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/04/edinburgh-activists-tyre-extinguishers-target-suvs-in-solidarity-with-spains-flood-victims</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=6#post-373530 Wed, 21 Feb 2024 20:45:58 +0000 chdot 373530@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-councillor-apologises-after-tagging-eco-warriors-in-post-about-colinton-4528180" rel="nofollow">https://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-councillor-apologises-after-tagging-eco-warriors-in-post-about-colinton-4528180</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=6#post-373480 Mon, 19 Feb 2024 15:45:09 +0000 chdot 373480@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-eco-activists-target-50-28658810?" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-eco-activists-target-50-28658810?</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=6#post-372143 Fri, 08 Dec 2023 17:55:01 +0000 chdot 372143@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Paris mayor plans to triple SUV parking tariffs to cut air pollution</p> <p>‘It’s a form of social justice,’ says Anne Hidalgo of move to target richest drivers to tackle climate breakdown</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/08/paris-mayor-plans-to-triple-suv-parking-tariffs-cut-air-pollution" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/08/paris-mayor-plans-to-triple-suv-parking-tariffs-cut-air-pollution</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=6#post-371479 Mon, 06 Nov 2023 00:35:36 +0000 acsimpson 371479@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I can't imagine the police would actually do anything if people did submit footage of other people driving on the pavement.</p> <p>With that being the most dangerous offence commited it would be nice to think that is what they were requesting. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=6#post-371470 Sun, 05 Nov 2023 16:56:15 +0000 chdot 371470@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Reports of multiple cars having their tyres slashed on Redhall Place and other streets nearby on Sat eve. Perpetrator appears to have targeted cars that were parked on pavements locally. We would encourage anyone with cctv footage or information to pass this to the police asap.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/longstone_cc/status/1721136630881190377" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/longstone_cc/status/1721136630881190377</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=6#post-371469 Sun, 05 Nov 2023 16:52:02 +0000 chdot 371469@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I know a firefighter (retired now) who chose a sub Ranger Rover style Land Rover 20 odd years ago because ‘it’s safer for my family/children’. </p> <p>At least as a “professional driver”, some chance he took more care of other road users than too many large vehicle drivers. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=6#post-371468 Sun, 05 Nov 2023 16:17:36 +0000 ejstubbs 371468@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From the article linked above:</p> <p><blockquote>SUV owners have proved stubbornly resistant to environmental arguments. It’s a paradox that has confounded environmental activists. In an effort to explain it, in 2021 the zero-carbon advocacy group Possible commissioned a study from the American psychologist Tim Kasser on the relationship between the dissemination of the environmental case and the use of SUVs.</p> <p>Possible’s director of innovation, Leo Murray, says Kasser found that “there were no detectable effects of exposure to pro-environmental messaging on people’s purchasing choices”. However, says Murray, Kasser did establish that there “was a detectable increase in propensity to buy an SUV after exposure to advertising for SUVs”.</p> <p>It wasn’t a lack of awareness about carbon emissions, says Murray, any more than smokers were ignorant of the carcinogenic effects of cigarettes. But in both cases the power of image proved greater than the fact of danger.</blockquote></p> <p>What that doesn't mention is the appeal that definitely exists for some purchasers - typically but not exclusively those who also believe/propagate fake LEZ/LTN conspiracies - in giving a big symbolic "&lt;rule 2&gt; you" to the 'woke planet huggers'. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=6#post-371464 Sun, 05 Nov 2023 11:51:47 +0000 neddie 371464@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>When I see the huge increase in the numbers of these vehicles, it feels like we’re losing. Losing Earth’s life support systems and everything we know that’s wonderful, beautiful and diverse </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=6#post-371463 Sun, 05 Nov 2023 11:00:59 +0000 chdot 371463@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/05/monsters-of-the-road-what-should-the-uk-do-about-suvs" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/05/monsters-of-the-road-what-should-the-uk-do-about-suvs</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=5#post-364020 Wed, 05 Oct 2022 17:43:40 +0000 LaidBack 364020@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ejstubbs - yes - all the answers here. May be worth a watch. Only got a 5.5kW battery so just carries eleven times as much fuel as an Urban Arrow but at least you're inside and can sit down amid the queues of e-SUVs laughing at their greedy 75kW fuel demands :-)</p> <p><a href="https://www.electrifying.com/reviews/citroen/ami/faq" rel="nofollow">https://www.electrifying.com/reviews/citroen/ami/faq</a></p> <p><blockquote>“The Ami is a rubbish ‘car’, but an endlessly amusing alternative to an umbrella. Very specific, very limited, very lighthearted. Makes you happy for no reason.”</blockquote></p> <p>That's what they said about the Cinquicento! Slight upgrade from a Vespa. We have friends in Carlisle that had very old one for getting from house at Stannix to centre. Remember getting picked up at station and cramming in (around 2002). Was fun though other drivers would tailgate as, like a bike they considered it unsafe and had to be punished / deterred.</p> <p>Would be great if there was a trend for usable micro vehicles. These may be likely to be additional to an 'out of town' car. (As are many cargo bikes)<br /> So vehicle numbers don't decrease etc... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=5#post-364010 Wed, 05 Oct 2022 09:29:36 +0000 ejstubbs 364010@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My Mum used to have a cinquecento back in the 1960s. I definitely had four seats, though the rear two were only really suitable for myself and my siblings. However, she did sometimes give lifts to the chaplain of the college where she worked, who was not in any way a compact person. He apparently found the front passenger seat entirely adequate.</p> <p>She bought it from the local Fiat dealer in Bromley, which somewhat bizarrely also had a Bentley franchise. She used to say that it was often difficult to find her car when she went to pick it up after a service, as it got rather lost amongst all the big luxury saloons.</p> <p>She eventually sold it to a colleague, who after a while began to feel that he was having to fill it up rather more often than usual. He subsequently discovered that a neighbour had been 'borrowing' the car without his knowledge. Security was obviously not a major consideration in the car's design. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=5#post-364007 Tue, 04 Oct 2022 22:06:11 +0000 ejstubbs 364007@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Are these the ones that, in France, you can drive without a licence? (IIRC, from an edition of <em>From Our Own Correspondent</em> a couple of years back.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=5#post-364006 Tue, 04 Oct 2022 21:17:51 +0000 LaidBack 364006@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>The Tyre Extinguishers say even electric and hybrid SUVs are “fair game” as there are “not enough rare earth metals” to replace all cars with them, and “the danger to other road users still stands”.</blockquote></p> <p>The (allegedly) first micro Citroën Ami has appeared in England. Came on my Twitter thread. Costs the same as some cargo bikes. The modern Fiat Cinquecento? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=5#post-363999 Tue, 04 Oct 2022 13:42:08 +0000 chdot 363999@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>The guerrilla eco group said they targeted vehicles in the Merchiston and Marchmont areas – marking the eighth time they have struck in the Capital. </p> <p>In a statement released on Tuesday morning, Tyre Extinguishers said there is “no need to own a tank in Edinburgh”, with good public transport links. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/edinburgh-tyre-extinguishers-deflate-another-60-suvs-overnight-in-the-capital-3866372" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/edinburgh-tyre-extinguishers-deflate-another-60-suvs-overnight-in-the-capital-3866372</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=5#post-363292 Wed, 07 Sep 2022 12:31:05 +0000 MediumDave 363292@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A few more (figurative) buckets of red paint thrown over the 21st century equivalent of a fur coat. </p> <p>Marvellous. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=5#post-363290 Wed, 07 Sep 2022 11:19:34 +0000 chdot 363290@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/edinburgh-tyre-extinguishers-deflate-50-suvs-overnight-in-the-capital-3834030" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/edinburgh-tyre-extinguishers-deflate-50-suvs-overnight-in-the-capital-3834030</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=5#post-361894 Sat, 09 Jul 2022 12:59:06 +0000 SRD 361894@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Re profit model - this is at least partly because in the US every car is an SUV. Someone I know linked to the Ford website in US. Three categories of vehicles - pickup trucks; SUVs; cars. Literally one car - mustang- in the car section. So ‘car’ means sports car? And default vehicle for everything else is SUV. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=5#post-361892 Sat, 09 Jul 2022 09:08:28 +0000 chdot 361892@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Critics, however, have suggested that banning adverts is unlikely to shift consumers away from SUVs. In addition, automotive lobbyists claim that the industry (more so now than ever) depends on its profitable SUV models in order to remain viable. Without them, they claim, thousands of jobs could be lost. Some also claim that the electrification of the industry can solve the issue. This is the path being taken by Tesla, which started selling its Model Y SUV model earlier this year.</p> <p>The Bottom Line </p> <p>No one can deny that SUVs are extremely polluting and, ultimately, bad for the planet. Talk of phasing them out, and banning advertising, will no doubt be called extreme by many. However, we should consider who really needs these tanks of vehicles. Is there really any reason, for instance, to own an SUV in cities or even suburbia? Road and parking infrastructure are, after all, largely unsuitable for the ever growing size of our cars. Seeing the size of our vehicles decrease, then, won’t just help tackle the climate crisis – it’ll (just maybe) make our lives as motorists easier. Moreover, a shift away from SUVs could surely freshen up the industry – causing a range of interesting sedans, coupes and hatchbacks to appear once more.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://autoserve.co.uk/motoring-news/the-uks-first-citizens-assembly-wants-to-ban-suvs/" rel="nofollow">https://autoserve.co.uk/motoring-news/the-uks-first-citizens-assembly-wants-to-ban-suvs/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=5#post-361890 Sat, 09 Jul 2022 08:07:27 +0000 chdot 361890@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Cars and the climate</p> <p>The battle between gas-guzzlers and environmentalists.</p> <p>Motorists have been staging go-slow protests on motorways over how expensive it is to get everywhere. Meanwhile, environmental protestors have been letting down the tyres of the biggest gas-guzzlers to stop them going anywhere. They want people to give up their cars, but drivers don’t like being told what to do. It’s getting people angry on social media.</p> <p>“</p> <p>Antisocial </p> <p><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0018xk4" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0018xk4</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=5#post-361873 Thu, 07 Jul 2022 22:42:54 +0000 GDR 361873@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Been following this from afar. I do wonder when our brave direct protesters are going to target some of the less genteel areas of Edinburgh. Don’t they know there are lots of SUVs in some of the large estates. Get yourself down to Craigmillar or Muirhouse or Wester Hailes and try some direct action there. Having spent a significant part of my life in the Inch I suspect the eco warriors might find their approach rather less straightforward. Unless of course this has more to do good old fashioned class war than a true concern for the environment. Just a thought. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=5#post-361870 Thu, 07 Jul 2022 17:53:01 +0000 stiltskin 361870@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The problem with non-violent direct action is that anyone can do it. All well and good if it’s something you support like acting on climate change, but what if it isn’t?<br /> Problem with fuel prices? Block the road!<br /> Ultimately these things are profoundly undemocratic. The protesters are trying to get society to accept their demands by disrupting other people’s lives. Without resorting to hyperbole this is a (much) watered down terrorist mindset. (&amp; no I am not equating them with terrorists) but if you can’t get your way through persuasion or getting a majority to vote for you, then essentially you are trying to coerce society into doing your bidding. And anyone on the political spectrum can do it, in fact refinery blockades and rolling roadblocks have been pretty successful in keeping fuel cheap. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=5#post-361869 Thu, 07 Jul 2022 17:06:40 +0000 chdot 361869@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“they are happy to sit in congestion, day-in and day-out, for years on end”</p> <p>Yes, one of the mysteries of our time. </p> <p>Must be one reason why <em>some</em> drivers dislike people on bikes - they envy their ‘freedoms’… </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=5#post-361868 Thu, 07 Jul 2022 17:00:49 +0000 Morningsider 361868@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Yodhrin - I have been a union rep for many years. I have organised action, marshalled picket lines and stood shoulder to shoulder with various campaigns and campaigners over that time, and the years before.</p> <p>I don't support continued action by the tyre extinguishers because I am some quivering Mr Jelly. I simply think their approach is wrong-headed and liable to be counter productive. Anyone who thinks drivers will be put off by minor inconvenience simply hasn't been paying attention - they are happy to sit in congestion, day-in and day-out, for years on end. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=5#post-361867 Thu, 07 Jul 2022 16:31:16 +0000 Yodhrin 361867@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Baldcyclist Oh well if it's "probably illegal" it should stop immediately. Striking used to be illegal, gay sex used to be illegal, and soon making too much noise while protesting anything anywhere will be illegal - good thing most of the folk committed to getting rid of injustice are a bit less concerned with the letter of the law than yourself eh. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=5#post-361866 Thu, 07 Jul 2022 16:26:14 +0000 MediumDave 361866@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's akin to a bucket of paint thrown on a fur coat, albeit with the minor difference that no lasting damage is done by these actions. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=5#post-361864 Thu, 07 Jul 2022 15:10:19 +0000 Baldcyclist 361864@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Put simply: it's <em>probably </em>illegal. Letting someone's tyre down without permission is not specifically listed as an offence in law, it could come under a couple of other umbrella terms."</p> <p>We need a test case...</p> <p>@Yodhrin, come and deflate my tyres so my security camera can catch you, and then we'll know definitevely in a few months. :)</p> <p><a href="https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/illegal-deflate-someones-tyres-tyre-6772267" rel="nofollow">https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/illegal-deflate-someones-tyres-tyre-6772267</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=5#post-361863 Thu, 07 Jul 2022 14:37:16 +0000 Yodhrin 361863@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Bit late but @Morningsider - it makes more sense than that comparison. Firstly, people tagging bus shelters aren't engaged in an organised campaign with explicit political objectives; Tyre Extinguishers are. Secondly, people tagging bus shelters are vandalising public property that has to be fixed at the taxpayers expense(or makes the urban fabric a less pleasant experience for everyone if it's not - they have more in common with SUV drivers frankly); Tyre Extinguishers are engaged in direct action against private property impinging on the public realm and the health &amp; wellbeing of the city(whether they have permission from our lords &amp; masters to do so doesn't negate that reality) that doesn't cause any damage in and of itself(if the drivers are dumb/angry enough to subsequently drive off on deflated tyres that's on them IMO) and shouldn't cost them anything to "fix" beyond a few pence of electricity/some elbow grease and a few minutes of time(as responsible drivers they *do* have basic maintenance equipment like a pump...right?).</p> <p>Can I ask, do you support non-violent direct action as a general principle? Because fundamentally that's what this is, and so if you argue what Tyre Extinguishers are doing is beyond the pale, then so is basically any protest that causes inconvenience to anybody; Extinction Rebellion, Insulate Britain, Just Stop Oil, previous campaigns for civil rights for minority groups, labour strikes - all of them would at times fall foul of any *consistent* principled opposition to the Tyre Extinguishers' methods. And if that's your point of view - that non-violent direct action that inconveniences people is wrong - that's fine, but a lot of folk I've spoken to who normally support this kind of thing are grumbling about it and it smacks a little of car-blindness. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=5#post-361858 Thu, 07 Jul 2022 13:07:26 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 361858@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Tyre Extinguishers deflate 45 SUVs in the Capital as they warn festival-goers to 'leave the car at home'"</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/edinburgh-tyre-extinguishers-deflate-45-suvs-in-the-capital-as-they-issue-warning-ahead-of-edinburgh-festival-3759406" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/edinburgh-tyre-extinguishers-deflate-45-suvs-in-the-capital-as-they-issue-warning-ahead-of-edinburgh-festival-3759406</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20914&page=5#post-361030 Tue, 31 May 2022 11:05:02 +0000 chdot 361030@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>But presta valves look better with valve caps. </p> <p>Especially metal ones. </p>