http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Legal (TRO) question en Sat, 27 Jun 2026 11:48:30 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20929#post-360816 Wed, 25 May 2022 19:49:36 +0000 Morningsider 360816@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Are pavement build outs always accompanied by an RSO? I can't find any record of an RSO for the substantial pavement build outs created during the resurfacing of Lothian Road. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20929#post-360810 Wed, 25 May 2022 17:41:23 +0000 boothym 360810@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>An ETRO wouldn't cover it in the meantime - two bollards either side to block parking? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20929#post-360809 Wed, 25 May 2022 17:38:32 +0000 chdot 360809@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Frenchy </p> <p>Thanks</p> <p>But </p> <p>“They've added the Wardie Road example to their list of minor improvements”</p> <p>Main question is why aren’t such things (access to NEPN) already on a list - in fact sorted years ago…?</p> <p>Additionally I’m reasonably sure a local resident has already contacted CEC about this (will check). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20929#post-360808 Wed, 25 May 2022 17:21:14 +0000 Frenchy 360808@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>IF CEC put in place a ‘pavement extension’, at least as wide as the gap in the wall and the width of a car onto the road - plus (presumably) bollards, would that be the same as the process for DYLs or??</em></p> <p>CEC have clarified to me that it would require an RSO, rather than a TRO, but otherwise yes, same faff and timescale (12-18 months).</p> <p>They've added the Wardie Road example to their list of minor improvements, so I suppose we'll find out the timescale of adding a white line when it appears. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20929#post-360146 Sat, 30 Apr 2022 22:21:41 +0000 Frenchy 360146@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@slowcoach - dropped kerbs were included in the "pavement parking ban" legislation. Due to come into force in...2024 (maybe). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20929#post-360145 Sat, 30 Apr 2022 21:46:06 +0000 chdot 360145@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“Though of course a pavement buildout would also help with visibility around the parked cars.“</p> <p>YES</p> <p>Which is why I think they would be a good ‘statement’ - ‘advertising’ the NEPN, because it’s worth it… </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20929#post-360144 Sat, 30 Apr 2022 21:22:21 +0000 boothym 360144@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>On Street View there's some white lines further along the road at driveways, which seem to be respected. Though of course a pavement buildout would also help with visibility around the parked cars. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20929#post-360142 Sat, 30 Apr 2022 20:52:09 +0000 slowcoach 360142@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>AFAIK If it was in England, and the Council had got a Special Enforcement Area, they could issue penalty charges for parking at a dropped kerb without needing a TRO or even an access protection marking. The Scottish Government hasn’t brought in similar legislation yet. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20929#post-360140 Sat, 30 Apr 2022 19:27:57 +0000 chdot 360140@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not so easy in Fife -</p> <p>“</p> <p>Please note we no longer provide white H bar markings at private residential driveways as due to over-use these markings were no longer effective. In certain circumstances we may provide them at accesses that are not obvious and would benefit from being highlighted. Please email <a href="mailto:traffic.management@fife.gov.uk">traffic.management@fife.gov.uk</a> if you wish such an access to be assessed. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.fife.gov.uk/kb/docs/articles/roads,-travel-and-parking/roads-and-pavements/driveway-obstruction" rel="nofollow">https://www.fife.gov.uk/kb/docs/articles/roads,-travel-and-parking/roads-and-pavements/driveway-obstruction</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20929#post-360139 Sat, 30 Apr 2022 19:07:11 +0000 chdot 360139@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Seems you can BUY them if access is to your property!!</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/roads-pavements/access-protection-markings/1" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/roads-pavements/access-protection-markings/1</a></p> <p>There’s even a specific email -</p> <p><a href=" mailto:accessprotectionmarkings@edinburgh.gov.uk">accessprotectionmarkings@edinburgh.gov.uk</a></p> <p>Might be worth suggesting a few places… </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20929#post-360137 Sat, 30 Apr 2022 18:37:00 +0000 Frenchy 360137@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I suspect one answer to the extended pavement is "A white line is a fraction of the cost, let's try that first." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20929#post-360136 Sat, 30 Apr 2022 18:28:06 +0000 chdot 360136@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>THANKS! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20929#post-360135 Sat, 30 Apr 2022 18:26:28 +0000 Frenchy 360135@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My understanding is: Yes, full TRO needed for DYLs. No TRO needed for white line; I've seen these be installed within a could of weeks.</p> <p>Pavement extension is an excellent question, which I don't know the answer to. Will try and find out. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20929#post-360133 Sat, 30 Apr 2022 17:17:47 +0000 chdot 360133@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52038896257_361e22849a.jpg"></p> <p>This is an entrance to the NEPN on Wardie Road. </p> <p>Presume to get a DYL needs the full nonsense TRO process?</p> <p>A white line with end bars wouldn’t?</p> <p>That might be as effective in reality (vehicles frequently park here). </p> <p>IF CEC put in place a ‘pavement extension’, at least as wide as the gap in the wall and the width of a car onto the road - plus (presumably) bollards, would that be the same as the process for DYLs or?? </p>