http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Capital pupils urged to saddle up for school run" en Sun, 31 May 2026 11:27:32 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2099#post-22129 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 17:34:08 +0000 Morningsider 22129@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>cb - the Criminal Justice and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2010, Section 52 establishes that no-one aged under 12 can be prosecuted for an offence. This is yet to be enacted.</p> <p>However, the age of criminal responsibility will remain at 8, i.e. anyone aged under 8 cannot be guilty of an offence, as set out in Section 41 of the Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995.</p> <p>So you can commit an offence aged 8+, but in the future you will not be prosecuted for it. You could be referred to a children's panel though. I'm sure that probably makes some sort of sense to legal types! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2099#post-22127 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 17:15:03 +0000 cb 22127@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><strong>Morningsider</strong><br /> "age of criminal responsibility (i.e. 8+ in Scotland)"</p> <p>It was going to go up to 12 in Scotland was it not? Did this happen, or is it still going to happen? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2099#post-22121 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:09:18 +0000 Morningsider 22121@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Anyone riding a bike on a footway (pavement) in Scotland is committing an offence under the provisions of Section 129(5) of the Roads (Scotland) Act 1984. These offences are usually enforced through a police officer issuing a fixed penalty notice.</p> <p>Police would normally use their discretion when dealing with children cycling on the pavement - i.e. not do anything. </p> <p>While fixed penalty notices can be issued to those of an age of criminal responsibility (i.e. 8+ in Scotland), the sanctions for failing to pay such a notice are normally enforced through the adult justice system. It is difficult to envisage a situation where failure to pay a fixed penalty notice issued for cycling offences is enforced through the children's hearing system. In practice this means that sanctions for cycling offences normally apply only to adults.</p> <p>Thought I would clarify as the advice on the Bike-for-all website is correct - but refers to English legislation which is slightly different. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2099#post-22118 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:27:28 +0000 kaputnik 22118@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Can anyone tell me asap if it is legal for kids under 16 to ride on pavements?</em></p> <p><a href="http://www.bikeforall.net/content/cycling_and_the_law.php">No it is not</a>. Until they are under the age of criminal responsibility, at which point the parents are potentially the law breaker for letting them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2099#post-22115 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:20:25 +0000 spytefear 22115@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Can anyone tell me asap if it is legal for kids under 16 to ride on pavements? I think it is but need to be sure.<br /> <strike>Down with cake</strike> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2099#post-22113 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:08:31 +0000 SRD 22113@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>that's a lot of italics :)</p> <p>gembo/kaputnik/chdot - unwanted Christmas cake? unheard of. happy to help though.... </p> <p>we made our own cake this year for the first time and it just disappeared as we all said 'why didn't we ever do this before??'. BUT, I just found a forgotten (homemade) christmas pudding (we made quite a few), which has been greeted with great enthusiasm. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2099#post-22112 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:04:50 +0000 chdot 22112@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"can be quite ferocious on this theme"</p> <p>That's what 12 years of frustration does...</p> <p>Yes the man at the Spokes meeting is the same one quoted in the Evening News.</p> <p>Not that I'm suggesting it's <em>his</em> fault - he's only been doing 'transport' for a year or so.</p> <p>BUT OF COURSE -</p> <p>It shouldn't <em>really</em> be a <em>Transport</em> story - but Education (and now Children and Families) stick to the line that 'it's up to parents how their children get to school'.</p> <p>Also - 'Cycle Training is a matter for Head Teachers' (and their responsibility to find 'resources' - staff, volunteers etc.).</p> <p>Which in turn means that a <em>tiny</em> number of (Edinburgh) schools do Cycle Training <em>in school time</em>. Those that do, understand that learning to ride a bike properly is highly educational and ticks all sorts of 'personal development' and 'health' boxes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2099#post-22111 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:02:34 +0000 kaputnik 22111@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>There have been various schemes!</em></p> <p>Gembo is currently running one to dispose of an unwanted surplus of family Christmas cake. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2099#post-22106 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:53:53 +0000 SRD 22106@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Chdot's mild on-line persona can be quite ferocious on this theme. He took issue with the council on this at a spokes meeting I went to, and I didn't think it could be the same person! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2099#post-22104 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:52:55 +0000 chdot 22104@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Free cake for children if they pedal to school?"</p> <p>There have been various schemes!</p> <p>Breakfasts too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2099#post-22103 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:50:08 +0000 kaputnik 22103@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Free cake for children if they pedal to school? (odometers required as evidence) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2099#post-22095 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:30:43 +0000 chdot 22095@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> What does "mmm" mean? </p> <p>"</p> <p>It means I need some time think about what I think and whether I should write it all down here...</p> <p>Clearly cake would help. JUST REMEMBERED - there's a bit of Christmas cake left. </p> <p>In short - </p> <p>Getting more people to cycle - good. </p> <p>Steiner school's efforts - good (some keen parents + supportive school). </p> <p>CEC Transport councillor saying CEC should do more/better - interesting...</p> <p>There is a long standing disconnect between 'policy' and 'delivery' over encouraging more children to cycle to school and also provision of formal Cycle Training. </p> <p>I could go on...</p> <p>But then I have done for many years with minimal impact. </p> <p>It sure ain't rocket science. </p> <p>This IS Edinburgh. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2099#post-22088 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:52:19 +0000 cb 22088@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What does "mmm" mean? Possibly that you were eating cake whilst typing, but I suspect something else... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2099#post-22077 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:34:00 +0000 chdot 22077@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> City transport leader Gordon Mackenzie said: "The council is delighted that cycling figures for the authority are, overall, on the increase. It is crucial that other schools follow the lead of the Edinburgh Steiner School." </p> <p>"</p> <p>Mmm</p> <p><a href="http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Capital-pupils-urged-to-saddle.6700411.jp" rel="nofollow">http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Capital-pupils-urged-to-saddle.6700411.jp</a> </p>