http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Workplace Parking Levy - WPL en Sun, 31 May 2026 06:46:22 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011&page=2#post-375108 Thu, 23 May 2024 15:03:22 +0000 chdot 375108@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>#Edinwebcast .. #WorkplaceParkingLevy</p> <p>Result:</p> <p>further #WPL progress appears to be postponed indefinitely</p> <p>Con amendt to scrap WPL defeated<br /> SNP+Green to continue WPL, defeated<br /> Lab+LibDem, which is effectively to postpone indefinitely, succeeds</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://x.com/spokeslothian/status/1793642476076699825" rel="nofollow">https://x.com/spokeslothian/status/1793642476076699825</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011&page=2#post-373616 Tue, 27 Feb 2024 10:58:29 +0000 Arellcat 373616@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>YHPM, Tulyar </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011&page=2#post-373613 Tue, 27 Feb 2024 07:04:42 +0000 Tulyar 373613@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting to look from another perspective?</p> <p>One company that has to lease parking for its site in Midlands is saving £2000 PER WEEK by managing demand for parking spaces.</p> <p>NHS in Glasgow took £7.5m from budgets to build a multi storey car park (typically costing £1000/space top maintain per year as well) </p> <p>Purchase of off road space in Edinburgh (£40,000?)</p> <p>Building bare patch of tarmac pavement (£6000)</p> <p>Building multi storey from £14,000 to £83,000/space?</p> <p>Remember that best exit rate via car park barrier (or lane on to M8) 10 cars/minute - so say 20 lanes to move 30,000 cars out of Edinburgh = 3000- cars out through them = well over 3 hours of queuing </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011&page=2#post-373603 Mon, 26 Feb 2024 00:06:48 +0000 chdot 373603@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>NHS premises, disabled spaces, hospices and GP surgeries aren't included in the scheme, but care homes, offices, hotels and schools are, meaning the WPL will hit a sizeable swathe of the city's workforce.</p> <p>Scottish Conservative transport spokesman Graham Simpson told the Scottish Daily Express: "Once again, SNP-run Glasgow City Council are choosing to hammer motorists and businesses in the city. Bashing workers is not the answer."</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1870668/snp-humza-yousaf-glasgow-parking-tax" rel="nofollow">https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1870668/snp-humza-yousaf-glasgow-parking-tax</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011&page=2#post-372385 Tue, 19 Dec 2023 20:33:43 +0000 chdot 372385@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Around 350,000 people work in Edinburgh though workplaces provide just over 30,000 parking places to be used for car commuting. We’re considering a workplace parking levy to help reduce congestion – let us know what you think in our survey edinburgh.gov.uk/wplsurvey</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/edinburgh_cc/status/1737098730027798550" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/edinburgh_cc/status/1737098730027798550</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011&page=2#post-370557 Tue, 19 Sep 2023 11:38:18 +0000 Dave 370557@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>Many school staff would refuse to pay a Work Place Levy simply because they couldn’t afford it. Instead, they will resort to parking on neighbouring residential streets around school building, which will create additional safety concerns for pupils and their families in these areas."</blockquote></p> <p>Is the transport convener saying that "park and stride", (where school traffic uses neighbouring residential streets) is worse for children's safety than when drivers come right to the school and playground? What a reversal of established policy! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011&page=2#post-370556 Tue, 19 Sep 2023 11:16:53 +0000 neddie 370556@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Some schools, ahem, have taken over part of the playground as free parking (pretty much for all and sundry, since the gate is almost never locked) - an area that was allocated as "DISABLED PARKING ONLY" and features a blind exit across a pavement.</p> <p>Strangely, the disabled-parking-only sign "disappeared" when the stone wall was renovated</p> <p>From March 2021, this sign does not exist anymore:</p> <p><a href="https://maps.app.goo.gl/JTHL5kLL4Z32C5Gt5" rel="nofollow">https://maps.app.goo.gl/JTHL5kLL4Z32C5Gt5</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011&page=2#post-370555 Tue, 19 Sep 2023 10:43:40 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 370555@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Dave no chance. Also I reckon the older city centre primaries (so in permit zones) will have no staff parking (eg Royal Mile Primary, Preston St Primary) so it is a bit of a selective 'perk'? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011&page=2#post-370554 Tue, 19 Sep 2023 10:19:46 +0000 Dave 370554@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The council employs nearly 4,000 teachers and about the same number of non-teaching staff in the families directorate. There are about 100 schools, so does the average school provide 80 free on-site parking spaces? It seems dubious. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011&page=2#post-370546 Mon, 18 Sep 2023 21:06:07 +0000 chdot 370546@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Many school staff would refuse to pay a Work Place Levy simply because they couldn’t afford it. Instead, they will resort to parking on neighbouring residential streets around school building, which will create additional safety concerns for pupils and their families in these areas."</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1703847812184543732" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1703847812184543732</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011&page=2#post-370528 Mon, 18 Sep 2023 11:32:36 +0000 gembo 370528@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>prof SA proposing Congestion charging. [licks finger. Holds in wind]. Nope. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011&page=2#post-370527 Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:30:33 +0000 neddie 370527@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yep, it's clear that political capital should be spent on congestion charging and removing on-street parking.</p> <p>Why waste time and capital with the WPL?</p> <p>So I think Scott Arthur has probably got this right (in not supporting the WPL), as long as he pushes for a congestion charge instead... let's see </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011&page=2#post-370526 Mon, 18 Sep 2023 08:28:11 +0000 chdot 370526@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not new, WPL at no. 5</p> <p>“</p> <p>12 best ways to get cars out of cities – ranked by new research</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://theconversation.com/12-best-ways-to-get-cars-out-of-cities-ranked-by-new-research-180642" rel="nofollow">https://theconversation.com/12-best-ways-to-get-cars-out-of-cities-ranked-by-new-research-180642</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011&page=2#post-370510 Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:43:40 +0000 chdot 370510@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“Let's hope the good Prof. is up to it.”</p> <p>I’m sure you mean that most sincerely, but as you imply, it’s beyond (almost any) mere politicians to persuade the MY RIGHT TO DRIVE WHERE I LIKE faction. </p> <p>‘Media’ usually makes it worse. </p> <p>Unfortunately, in addition, SA not gonna help because A) ‘the unions’ B) ‘the ball has been taken away from me by more imaginative Cllrs’. </p> <p>Some things need to be beyond what (some) people say they want. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011&page=2#post-370509 Sun, 17 Sep 2023 08:41:57 +0000 Morningsider 370509@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I would love, absolutely LOVE, to see the consultation that could convince the general public to support a new government levy.</p> <p>To be able to produce such honeyed words would be a true superpower. Your writing would make Shelley and Keats read like the Haynes manual for a '76 Ford Cortina. Copies of the Evening News would simply combust in the presence of such beauty. Neil Greig would be dumbstruck, eschewing the car and spending the rest of his life riding between real ale pubs on a 3-speed vintage Pashley.</p> <p>Let's hope the good Prof. is up to it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011&page=2#post-370507 Sat, 16 Sep 2023 13:22:10 +0000 Arellcat 370507@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The Council is free to design a WPL licensing scheme to allow for...</em></p> <p>Part 7 is the bit we might encourage certain of our elected leaders to read (or read again):</p> <p><a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2019/17" rel="nofollow">https://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2019/17</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011&page=2#post-370505 Sat, 16 Sep 2023 12:36:27 +0000 chdot 370505@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“Opportunity, time and money will have been wasted.”</p> <p>Is he talking about Braid Road (and a few other things)?? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011&page=2#post-370504 Sat, 16 Sep 2023 12:32:57 +0000 chdot 370504@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>No politics here…</p> <p>“</p> <p>Prediction:<br /> 1- Failure to consult on robust mitigation options to deal with (1) displacement parking, (2) support for low paid workers &amp; (3) shift workers will lead to the public opposing the plans. </p> <p>2- The SNP/Green/Lib-Dem Coalition supporting the charge will then collapse. </p> <p>3- Opportunity, time and money will have been wasted. </p> <p>(I do lottery predictions too!)</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1702928170666610855" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1702928170666610855</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011&page=2#post-370502 Sat, 16 Sep 2023 11:00:26 +0000 Morningsider 370502@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Worth noting that NHS premises, GP surgeries and hospices are all exempt from the WPL. All disabled persons' parking places are exempt.</p> <p>Nottingham exempts all workplace car parks with 10 or fewer spaces from paying the WPL. I imagine Edinburgh would do something similar. This would mean all small businesses are exempt from paying.</p> <p>Mobile staff, such as carers, would not have to pay - as they do not regularly park in a workplace car park.</p> <p>The Council is free to design a WPL licensing scheme to allow for different charges to apply on different days, different times of day, different parts of the licensing area, different classes of motor vehicle or different numbers of licensed spaces. Any concerns about "the workers" can easily be addressed through intelligent design of the scheme.</p> <p>However, be in no doubt that the largest group by far that would have to pay are office workers doing the 9-5. After all, I have yet to see an office car park crammed with the cars of low-paid cleaners working anti-social hours. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011&page=2#post-370497 Fri, 15 Sep 2023 20:38:52 +0000 acsimpson 370497@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That's a pretty key piece of information. If employees are being made to pay then it's not the council doing it.</p> <p>Similarly if a part time employee has to pay for a full week then perhaps it's time they found another employer. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011#post-370496 Fri, 15 Sep 2023 20:15:28 +0000 chdot 370496@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Revisiting this at Transport Committee and evidence from Nottingham still suggests an increase in congestion after Car Park tax.</p> <p>#Edinburgh #Conservatives still against it. Labour have now joined us.</p> <p>SNP want to use it as a “truncheon” against workers!</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/councillorcowdy/status/1702386121303363591" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/councillorcowdy/status/1702386121303363591</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011#post-370480 Fri, 15 Sep 2023 12:38:38 +0000 chdot 370480@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>In your rather selective presentation of WPL @CllrScottArthur you’ve failed to mention that the levy is on employers, who then choose whether to pass it onto employees. If I remember correctly around 50% of Nottingham employers DID NOT pass it onto employees.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/lmacinnessnp/status/1702610259695562900" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/lmacinnessnp/status/1702610259695562900</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011#post-370436 Thu, 14 Sep 2023 15:33:49 +0000 toomanybikes 370436@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>according to appendix 2.. expectation is reports and consultations done by "early 2025" impressively glacial and probably over optimistic</p> <p>Assume no updates on bus lanes going 7-7-7 since last June when they said 2 years </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011#post-370426 Thu, 14 Sep 2023 12:01:34 +0000 chdot 370426@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>#Edinwebcast #WorkplaceParkingLevy</p> <p>Voting...</p> <p>7 (SNP/Green/LibDem) Go ahead with #WPL consultn<br /> 2 (Lab) Postpone consultn<br /> 2 (Con) Scrap the whole idea</p> <p>@CllrScottArthur says that SNP/Green/LibDem will be involved in consultation design, to be as transparent as possible</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://x.com/spokeslothian/status/1702269599675256957" rel="nofollow">https://x.com/spokeslothian/status/1702269599675256957</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011#post-370425 Thu, 14 Sep 2023 11:31:01 +0000 neddie 370425@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Addendum by Green group:</p> <p><blockquote>After 1.1 insert:</p> <p>1.2 Reiterates approval of going forward to an initial consultation on the general principles of a Workplace Parking Levy (WPL).</p> <p>1.3 Recognises the necessity for measures to promote a cultural and modal shift from solo car use towards more sustainable travel options which will have a positive impact on our environment and also on people with marginalised identities – notably workers who come from a low-income background, women, disabled people, elderly people and ethnic minority groups – all of whom are more likely to travel by public transport anyway.</p> <p>1.4 Acknowledges outstanding concerns and the possibility for misunderstandings raised in the Integrated Impact Assessment but recognises the wide range of possible mitigations available.</p> <p>1.5 Recognises the need for the consultation to clearly communicate the aims, scope, and potential benefits of a WPL and asks that the consultation should explore views on these mitigations as well as what workers would like the money to be spent on.</blockquote> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011#post-370424 Thu, 14 Sep 2023 11:30:04 +0000 chdot 370424@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>#Edinwebcast #WorkplaceParkingLevy</p> <p>Cllr @kevin_lang #LibDem says consultn needed to develop #WPL options</p> <p>Cllr @KayleighFONeill/@julebandel @scottishgreens say WPL will reduce inequalities; most #lowpaid workers use bus walk cycle. Consultn will help develop mitigations where needed</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1702266310598467586" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1702266310598467586</a></p> <p>‘To be fair’ this is ‘normal’ Edinburgh glacial progress…</p> <p>At least (theoretically) CEC is moving towards accepting WPL as necessary. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011#post-370423 Thu, 14 Sep 2023 11:29:46 +0000 neddie 370423@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Addendum by SNP group:</p> <p><blockquote>1.2 Agrees to proceed to engagement and consultation as set out in 5.1.</p> <p>1.3.1 Acknowledges the strategic importance of the City Mobility Plan’s commitment to a 30% reduction in car kilometres by 2030. This must extend to regular and frequent reporting of progress towards that target in order to assist the Council in identifying what policy solutions, such as a Workplace Parking Levy or a congestion charge, are needed to address Edinburgh’s severe congestion problems and to meet the challenges of the<br /> climate crisis.</p> <p>1.3.2 Agrees therefore that the annual progress towards the target of a 30% reduction is car kilometres by 2030 will be reported on an annual basis in the Annual Performance Report to the Policy and Sustainability Committee, with the figure for the last reporting year to have concluded to be included in the next Transport and Environment Committee Business Bulletin.</blockquote> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011#post-370422 Thu, 14 Sep 2023 11:27:48 +0000 neddie 370422@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The report by the administration, plus the SNP and Greens amendments passed</p> <p>Good result! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011#post-370421 Thu, 14 Sep 2023 11:15:58 +0000 chdot 370421@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Amend'ts-&gt;democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/documents/s609…</p> <p>@CllrScottArthur not ideologically against, but wants consultn postponed until details of #LowPaidWorkers mitigation</p> <p>@DAstonSNP says consultn urgent given 2030 targets, and will show mitigations needed</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1702263632816480327" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1702263632816480327</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21011#post-370419 Thu, 14 Sep 2023 11:10:24 +0000 chdot 370419@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>GOOD! </p>