http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Another cyclist down from tram lines en Tue, 19 May 2026 03:24:43 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21071#post-362931 Wed, 24 Aug 2022 16:06:18 +0000 Tulyar 362931@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hare's the state of the length of pavement from Waverley Bridge junction and the locus of crash</p> <p>An appalling mash-up of a road plate exactly where less observant riders would be riding and patched &amp; broken track slab concrete, plus a sunken tarmac repair patch</p> <p><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/h52/51459966372" rel="nofollow">https://www.flickr.com/photos/h52/51459966372</a></p> <p><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/h52/51459965992" rel="nofollow">https://www.flickr.com/photos/h52/51459965992</a></p> <p>Taken 07 September 2021 - and just how long should a major carriageway remain in this state - with a monthly inspection report? </p> <p>Vertical misalignments way adrift from required standards &amp; hazards galore </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21071#post-362835 Sun, 21 Aug 2022 13:16:09 +0000 Tulyar 362835@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Cheers folks</p> <p>I'll try to assemble a listing with locii &amp; severity of crash</p> <p>You can request CCTV from buses showing you by contacting the bus operator, as I did for my hit &amp; run RTC on 1/06/22, fortunately I'm slightly 'known' by McGills and Firstbus in Scotland, so within 48 hours I had a great picture of me sat fuming in the carriageway at 16.32.30 - sadly after the 16.28 time that I'd dialled 999 as the driver fled the scene. Still waiting for images from First Glasgow, with perhaps 6-8 buses in that time window</p> <p>Do consider carrying a joiners' folding ruler to both scale the site and measure surface flatness</p> <p>Compare Manchester Metrolink - precisely 2mm for level of high friction concrete above rail head &amp; keep on grooved rail. </p> <p>vs Edinburgh before it even opened! (improvised straightedge with 5p (18mm) piece for scale - max step in pavements should be 6mm (or 3mm for steel upstands (thickness of £1 coin) max gap should be 10mm </p> <p><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/h52/albums/72157684865323565" rel="nofollow">https://www.flickr.com/photos/h52/albums/72157684865323565</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21071#post-362822 Sat, 20 Aug 2022 16:11:57 +0000 tk 362822@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If anyone is looking to claim then it seems Cyclelaw Scotland are managing to get cases through the process. The general rule is that if you had to cross at 45 degrees or less then there is a reasonable chance of success. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21071#post-362809 Fri, 19 Aug 2022 15:18:04 +0000 mcairney 362809@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I Think I’m one of the “no claim” entries. Tbh I didn’t know claiming was an option. I got away with a bit of road rash but it killed my iPhone (which I was able to claim on insurance thankfully). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21071#post-362808 Fri, 19 Aug 2022 12:43:10 +0000 tk 362808@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So yes this is heading into St Andrew’s Sq. Luckily the cyclist was ok but unfortunately they weren’t interested in reporting it anywhere. </p> <p>I went to have a look after a recent incident there to get some indication of the road surface and angles. Didn’t realise just how grim it was or the shoddy patchwork of repairs. Those cyclists in the know seemed to cross the lines about 100m back where the road is wider and cycle down the centre giving them a little more space to cross the second set of lines in the corner. Had a chat to some delivery riders who were dismounting and walking across too - both of them had fallen at the junction. </p> <p>It seems there are a significant number of claims for injuries now - see <a href="https://edinburgh.axlr8.uk/documents/37857/37857%20Response.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://edinburgh.axlr8.uk/documents/37857/37857%20Response.pdf</a> There is another request pending for this data to be expanded to the full network. </p> <p>In terms of Spokes or others involvement, I’m thinking that some volunteers should get photos and measurements of the key areas of conflict (particularly those where there are improvements planned) and potentially even setup a video recording of how cyclists are navigating these areas. The cynic in me thinks that some of these areas are getting many more incidents than reported and I reckon on a busy summers day they would probably record multiple falls. It might be enough with the value of claims to get more press interest and put pressure on the council to find better solutions. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21071#post-362784 Thu, 18 Aug 2022 12:00:58 +0000 Arellcat 362784@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>'Top Shop' - a bit vague - is this the mess at the foot of the Mound or at St Andrew Street South junction?</em></p> <p>The blockwork pattern is only at the curve from Princes St to South St Andrew St, so my educated guess would put the location about here:<br /> <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/KEZF86pxLXZPBv7y5" rel="nofollow">https://goo.gl/maps/KEZF86pxLXZPBv7y5</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21071#post-362780 Thu, 18 Aug 2022 11:32:34 +0000 Tulyar 362780@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I worked on developing the ORR standards for transverse profile in 1998-99, and delivering the Nottingham NET Phase 1 embedded rails</p> <p>Manchester's JV project team (headed by Laing O Rourke) had 10 years of gradually getting the methods, scheduling &amp; pricing better to deliver ahead of schedule and on budget, with the concrete abutting the insulation that fitted the rails precisely screeded to be just 2mm higher than the steel edges, with a rubber plug strip that kept the rail groove clean and free of spilled concrete, as well as providing the screeding bar for finishing. Yet to see this on any work on Edinburgh's phase 2 </p> <p>Edinburgh phase 1 was from the outset well short of the official standard, and throughout the on-street section the load transfer sections of the top slab concrete (30cm wide with steel bars connecting the 5m top slabs which crack and fall out - many with patching in tarmac as well as concrete. They can often be heard and seen moving as buses pass over them with evidence of water underneath being 'pumped' as wet areas around the cracks (this pumping accelerates disintegration &amp; failure)</p> <p>'Top Shop' - a bit vague - is this the mess at the foot of the Mound or at St Andrew Street South junction?</p> <p>Doesn't just fail embedded rail but also pavement flatness standards with a total mash-up of concrete, tarmac &amp; slack bond laid, blocks</p> <p>Was bus driver too close behind? Chris Oliver's paper and others highlight this as a key factor in c.50% of cyclist falls</p> <p>Has the victim secured CCTV from bus operator (overwrites every 10 days approx)</p> <p>Have Police Scotland been advised if injuries occurred, even for a single vehicle crash they need to make a STATS19 entry for UK crash statistics. In a very serious case a cyclist died after 'being found' injured on the road, and the couple in the car that was at the scene only called for an ambulance (heard arguing about calling the police) and vital (transient) evidence was lost for investigation.</p> <p><a href="https://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/police-apology-for-handling-of-cyclists-death-184825/" rel="nofollow">https://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/police-apology-for-handling-of-cyclists-death-184825/</a></p> <p>Similar detail for the death of Roger de Klerk (3.5 years before Zhi Min Soh - in an identical crash where he fell turning right across tram track (with appalling transverse profile) in Croydon, and the bus driver behind ran over him (also a female driver &amp; also IIRC a 20mph speed limit) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21071#post-362696 Tue, 16 Aug 2022 11:29:32 +0000 Frenchy 362696@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Worth remembering that Spokes are a group of volunteers. They have no power over the council. Spokes have asked the council many many times to improve this, and the other tram junctions.</em></p> <p>Also worth noting that Spokes would probably be able to help support such a project - get in touch with me/them if you're interested. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21071#post-362692 Tue, 16 Aug 2022 10:27:50 +0000 neddie 362692@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Worth remembering that Spokes are a group of volunteers. They have no power over the council. Spokes have asked the council many many times to improve this, and the other tram junctions.</p> <p>It's the council that you need to take this up with.</p> <p>Write to your councillors / MSP. Tweet about it, tagging in the transport convenor (Cllr Scott Arthur). Submit a deputation to the council's Transport and Environment Ctte meeting (if there is a tram-relevant item on the agenda) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21071#post-362691 Tue, 16 Aug 2022 10:05:16 +0000 fimm 362691@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A friend of mine came off on the tram tracks the other days as well. "Only" grazes, thankfully. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21071#post-362690 Tue, 16 Aug 2022 09:52:54 +0000 SRD 362690@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>that's pretty grim @tk </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21071#post-362689 Mon, 15 Aug 2022 23:05:27 +0000 tk 362689@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>While getting some pictures and video of the terrible road surface and defects around the tram lines outside Topshop I caught another cyclist fall on video. He was incredibly lucky the bus behind him managed to emergency stop in the wet and stopped about a foot away. Otherwise seemed ok. </p> <p>The road surface there is terrible and a patch repair with drops of about 3cm and other road cracks force you on a path where you have to cross the tram lines close to parallel. It’s exactly what happened - this is his wheel in a still from the video as it dropped into the track. </p> <p><img src="https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/vWXVVcUFm6G9.png?o=1"></p> <p>I think Spokes should do more here. Like film the area for a while and see how many others run into issues to try and do so<br /> Etching before the junction is changed. And at the very least the surface needs to be fixed. </p> <p>A recent FOI request is showing six figures of claims against the council for this junction alone. </p>