http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Operation London Bridge now Operation Unicorn en Wed, 01 Jul 2026 09:23:15 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=5#post-363949 Sun, 02 Oct 2022 19:21:14 +0000 chdot 363949@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/queens-funeral-protests-edinburgh-two-charged-over-alleged-assault-on-man-who-shouted-at-prince-andrew-3864263" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/queens-funeral-protests-edinburgh-two-charged-over-alleged-assault-on-man-who-shouted-at-prince-andrew-3864263</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=5#post-363653 Tue, 20 Sep 2022 21:24:12 +0000 LaidBack 363653@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.thenational.scot/politics/22312534.commournathon-comes-end---real-scottish-politics/" rel="nofollow">https://www.thenational.scot/politics/22312534.commournathon-comes-end---real-scottish-politics/</a></p> <p><blockquote>Meanwhile, the most right-wing government that Britain has ever had has been using the media distraction of the past week or two as cover to legalise fracking, remove the cap on bankers' bonuses, and issue a slew of new licences for oil and gas exploration in the North Sea so that the profiteering fossil-fuel giants can benefit from years more extraction of the oil and gas reserves that Scotland was told in 2014 were going to run out by 2019. Eight years on and the need for Scottish independence has never been more urgent.</blockquote></p> <p>It is but one view but the idea that the last week was the most important event in recent history needs some counterviewpoints.<br /> King Charles will now be signing off bills that will go against his reported 'green' instincts.<br /> Today's National also reports the abuse Patrick Harvie has received by not being deferential enough to the King at Holyrood. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=5#post-363644 Tue, 20 Sep 2022 09:23:13 +0000 SRD 363644@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"The british state is banning dissent &amp; comedy about Charles' inadequacies, as a matter of policy." </p> <p>far more likely self-censorship, rather than the state. More insidious. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=5#post-363643 Tue, 20 Sep 2022 09:21:53 +0000 SRD 363643@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks @Baldcyclist for the suggestion of "climbing a hill" yesterday. We did five. Felt very good.</p> <p><img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52371003076_6b0d37ac82_z.jpg">[/url] </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=5#post-363612 Sat, 17 Sep 2022 15:26:34 +0000 stiltskin 363612@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>'The British State' is censoring the Paramount Plus channel.... really? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=5#post-363611 Sat, 17 Sep 2022 14:01:20 +0000 gembo 363611@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Can barely pull the Dick out of his own pants</p> <p>Yup. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=5#post-363606 Sat, 17 Sep 2022 08:49:18 +0000 chdot 363606@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Astonishing that this segment of The Daily Show did NOT air in the UK.</p> <p>It was ENTIRELY CUT OUT.</p> <p>The british state is banning dissent &amp; comedy about Charles' inadequacies, as a matter of policy.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/rickoshea54321/status/1570640119543078912" rel="nofollow">https://mobile.twitter.com/rickoshea54321/status/1570640119543078912</a></p> <p>Video </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=5#post-363597 Fri, 16 Sep 2022 20:12:08 +0000 chdot 363597@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/queen-in-edinburgh-unprecedented-event-sees-100000-people-use-waverley-station-and-traffic-up-25-per-cent-3844917" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/queen-in-edinburgh-unprecedented-event-sees-100000-people-use-waverley-station-and-traffic-up-25-per-cent-3844917</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=5#post-363594 Fri, 16 Sep 2022 17:06:35 +0000 chdot 363594@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Clive Lewis, the Norwich South MP and former shadow cabinet minister, said the arrest of anti-monarchy protesters and the condemnation of others who dissented showed that the royal succession “is as much about coercion as consent”. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/16/idea-of-monarchy-as-symbol-of-duty-or-sacrifice-a-lie-says-labours-clive-lewis" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/16/idea-of-monarchy-as-symbol-of-duty-or-sacrifice-a-lie-says-labours-clive-lewis</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=5#post-363591 Fri, 16 Sep 2022 16:05:47 +0000 chdot 363591@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Monarchies have sought to divine meaning from protocol arrangements, and are largely underwhelmed by what they have seen. </p> <p>An expectation that the kings and presidents of the region would board a bus to travel to Westminster Abbey has not been received well. Nor have mooted seating plans that place regional royals and presidents on pews well behind Commonwealth leaders who were an important part of the Queen’s orbit, but are often less influential when it comes to Britain’s trade and security ties. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/16/we-wouldnt-put-charles-on-a-bus-gulf-royals-balk-at-queens-funeral-protocol" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/16/we-wouldnt-put-charles-on-a-bus-gulf-royals-balk-at-queens-funeral-protocol</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=5#post-363587 Fri, 16 Sep 2022 12:36:53 +0000 chdot 363587@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/16/queen-mourners-queue-southwark-park-capacity-reached-london" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/16/queen-mourners-queue-southwark-park-capacity-reached-london</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=5#post-363586 Fri, 16 Sep 2022 12:35:24 +0000 chdot 363586@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/queen-elizabeth-ii-has-enduring-links-to-scotlands-airports-bridges-railways-and-ships-alastair-dalton-3844292" rel="nofollow">https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/queen-elizabeth-ii-has-enduring-links-to-scotlands-airports-bridges-railways-and-ships-alastair-dalton-3844292</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=5#post-363584 Fri, 16 Sep 2022 11:29:46 +0000 SRD 363584@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Today's Guardian podcast has some of the best discussion I've heard about how the Queen's death has been experienced in the former colonies, and the implications for future relations:</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2022/sep/16/can-the-commonwealth-survive-the-death-of-the-queen" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2022/sep/16/can-the-commonwealth-survive-the-death-of-the-queen</a> </p> <p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/today-in-focus/id1440133626?i=1000579639648" rel="nofollow">https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/today-in-focus/id1440133626?i=1000579639648</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=5#post-363583 Fri, 16 Sep 2022 11:26:17 +0000 chdot 363583@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>There is clearly warmth between him and Liz Truss, evident when she defied protocol at their first audience by putting a consoling hand on his arm. As a former environment secretary, responsible for his two passions of climate policy and farming, it would be unusual if she hadn’t got to know him reasonably well. But they are still chalk and cheese. Charles has a small-c conservative’s distrust of change, love of beauty, and patrician instincts towards those who are vulnerable; he appears to see his role much like that of a benevolent vicar ministering to his flock. Truss is an unsentimental insurgent, itching to rip everything up and start again.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/16/king-charles-government-hereditary-monarchy-survival" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/16/king-charles-government-hereditary-monarchy-survival</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=5#post-363581 Fri, 16 Sep 2022 10:46:12 +0000 chdot 363581@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>“Reporting on the UK as a foreigner often makes it easier to take a step back, to see “the big picture”. Since last Thursday, though, this has become a challenge. The 24/7 coverage of the Queen’s death is all-consuming with layers of events, history and traditions to process. It would not be fair to suggest that these layers are somehow serving to sugarcoat the crisis in this country. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/16/when-mourning-ends-reality-will-hit-hard-european-journalists-on-britains-mood" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/16/when-mourning-ends-reality-will-hit-hard-european-journalists-on-britains-mood</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=4#post-363579 Fri, 16 Sep 2022 08:50:58 +0000 SRD 363579@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@baldcyclist agree the Glenshee tops are good ones for kids. I think mine were 8 and 4 when we did them. </p> <p>from an outsiders perspective, it's always seemed to me that protests were aimed at the patients, perhaps that's different here to the US where many providers are charitable institutions. and in Glasgow aren't they targeting Queen Elizabeth University Hospital? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=4#post-363578 Thu, 15 Sep 2022 23:36:20 +0000 Baldcyclist 363578@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@SRD I think the protest's are aimed at mostly rich private institutions and not the people attending them, though the consequence is of course personal hurt for patients who are already in distress (my wife's work has protestors outside most days including days where there are no procedures).</p> <p>The wider point of course is which protest's have a right to take place and which we should cancel? The ones which we feel aligned to, or have sympathy for a point of view, or allow all but ensure sensitivity to individuals. ie the time and place is important. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=4#post-363573 Thu, 15 Sep 2022 19:52:38 +0000 Baldcyclist 363573@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@SRD we did the 3 peaks from Balerno last weekend, boy has progressed well from 3 miles (Binn hill), to 5.5 miles (West Lomond hill), and then the 7.5 miles for the Pentlands walk.</p> <p>So we're now aiming for his first Munro, I think maybe Carn Oasda and The Cairnwell, as they start high from the Glenshee ski centre, or maybe Ben Chonzie, as I think those are conquerable by a 7 year old. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=4#post-363570 Thu, 15 Sep 2022 19:43:50 +0000 gembo 363570@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@SRd during World Cup finals you get The five peaks in the Pentlands to yourself. I also had Arthur’s seat to myself at the Diana funeral. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=4#post-363569 Thu, 15 Sep 2022 19:35:31 +0000 chdot 363569@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“<br /> Kuvin said he understood why people might bristle at protesters calling out Andrew during mourning activities – as happened in Edinburgh, when a man who shouted “Andrew, you’re a sick old man” was detained by police – but recognized why it might happen. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/15/jeffrey-epstein-prince-andrew-queen-death" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/15/jeffrey-epstein-prince-andrew-queen-death</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=4#post-363568 Thu, 15 Sep 2022 19:32:13 +0000 SRD 363568@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>ps if we were to go hillwalking, what should we walk? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=4#post-363567 Thu, 15 Sep 2022 19:31:06 +0000 SRD 363567@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>surely there's a difference between protesting the powerless and often already victimised and the powerful? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=4#post-363564 Thu, 15 Sep 2022 16:52:38 +0000 Baldcyclist 363564@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This reminded me of the notion of buffer zones, so you are still allowed to protest, just not in the vicinity of someone that could be hurt by your protest. May be a solution for a funeral procession?</p> <p><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-62913954" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-62913954</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=4#post-363563 Thu, 15 Sep 2022 15:59:55 +0000 Baldcyclist 363563@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Supermarket petrol stations going to be shut on Monday, planning on going hill walking on Monday with the boy weather permitting, so will need to fuel up on Sunday:</p> <p><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62916831" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62916831</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=4#post-363562 Thu, 15 Sep 2022 15:57:09 +0000 chdot 363562@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/15/readers-on-britain-period-national-mourning-queen" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/15/readers-on-britain-period-national-mourning-queen</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=4#post-363560 Thu, 15 Sep 2022 15:17:45 +0000 MediumDave 363560@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I doubt that we'd even be talking about this protest if the enthusiastic Loyalist types (judging by the questionable tattoos sported by one of them) had not decided to batter the protester, thus precipitating the arrest. </p> <p>Spectacular own goal from them (with a bit of an assist from the cops)</p> <p>Now extensive discourse around Andrew's proclivities, the protection given to the powerful and policing overreach is front and center.</p> <p>So bravo those to those thugs! The protestor couldn't have hoped for a more effective force multiplier.</p> <p>Otherwise the sum total of my engagement with this circus is detouring to "admire" the queue in the Meadows. Ye gods... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=4#post-363559 Thu, 15 Sep 2022 14:53:02 +0000 Morningsider 363559@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Yodhrin - I think we have been over what I consider legitimate protest before. I'll just say that I have directly buttonholed the First Minister while on a picket line. I mean, debating on CCE is fun and all, but I put my money where my mouth is.</p> <p>Also - no-one has been a "subject" since 1 January 1983. (British Nationality Act 1981) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=4#post-363557 Thu, 15 Sep 2022 14:26:02 +0000 Baldcyclist 363557@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Jonty, it's actually quite a simple thought experiment to seperate the two. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=4#post-363556 Thu, 15 Sep 2022 14:07:31 +0000 jonty 363556@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>Imagine some twat, shouting at the back of your mums funeral cos of some of some disagreement they'd had in the past. Would you think ah, fair enough, or go and have words with them?</blockquote></p> <p>Getting pretty sick of hearing this line of argument for anything - "imagine it was your relative's funeral" etc. No, I simply cannot imagine that, because I have no relatives whose coffin would close streets for days on end. I have no relatives who held themselves to be God's representative on Earth and intrinsically superior to all other citizens of the UK. I have no relatives who are paid millions of pounds from the state every year for simply existing, or who spent their life ensuring that their death would immediately trigger one of the most significant unelected transitions of state power this century. </p> <p>The Royals themselves hold themselves to be intrinsically different from everyone else, so attempting to make everyday equivalences is simply absurd. There is literally no comparison to this procession and any other resident of the UK's funeral. It wasn't even a funeral! It was as much a political event as a funereal one.</p> <p>It's actually quite common that deaths in more conventional families result in one party trying to maintain or create status quos on the sly while others grieve - cementing residency arrangements, pinching items out of the deceased's home, quibbling over wills etc. The polite thing to do is to leave decisions over these sorts of things until after the funeral where possible.</p> <p>If the royals didn't want Elizabeth's death to be "excessively politicised" - as if the death of a hereditary head of state can ever <em>not</em> be political - then they could have delayed the political ceremonies of succession till after the funeral, and they could have avoided the political decision to attempt to rehabilitate Andrew by involving him in public duties. They chose to make these political decisions and it is entirely legitimate for others to make political objections to those decisions at their points of manifestation. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21114&page=4#post-363555 Thu, 15 Sep 2022 13:58:12 +0000 chdot 363555@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2022/sep/15/i-care-but-i-dont-care-what-people-really-think-about-life-after-the-queen-video" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2022/sep/15/i-care-but-i-dont-care-what-people-really-think-about-life-after-the-queen-video</a> </p>