http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: “Active Travel Action Plan 2023 – Delivering the City Mobility Plan“ en Thu, 21 May 2026 03:46:47 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233&page=2#post-382983 Mon, 26 Jan 2026 09:54:53 +0000 Frenchy 382983@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting but, from a quick skim, not entirely convincing that the eventual conclusion won't be "healthy people are able to do more exercise". </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233&page=2#post-382982 Mon, 26 Jan 2026 09:42:28 +0000 chdot 382982@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>To some extent this is not the right thread -</p> <p>“</p> <p>After tracking the weekly exercise habits of 110,000 men and women in the US for 30 years, researchers found active people who did the greatest variety of exercise were 19% less likely to die during that time than those who focused on one activity.</p> <p>That effect was greater than for individual sports like walking, tennis, rowing and jogging.</p> <p>The total amount of exercise you do is still key, experts say, but doing a range of activities you enjoy can bring lots of benefits.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0y9pqe2zro" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0y9pqe2zro</a></p> <p>But</p> <p>In many ways it highlights some of the issues ‘we’ tend to be aware of - ‘including siloing’. </p> <p>Explicitly where ‘cycling’ can be/is sport, exercise, fun, fashion, hobby, way of life, part of life, good for health, perhaps even transport. </p> <p>Similar ’silos’ affect the opportunities for all of the above including access to safe spaces, equipment, education/training, attitudes/acceptance/encouragement for many of the above and their place in ‘society’. </p> <p>‘We’ may want better on-road facilities, less traffic, slower traffic, less dominance of ‘motors’ as ‘normal’ in political and commercial spheres. </p> <p>Perhaps reports like this will change things marginally on a personal level and reinforce the ‘status quo’ in many other ways(?) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-379723 Wed, 21 May 2025 12:11:07 +0000 neddie 379723@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This appears to be a long-winded and round-about way of saying, “we don’t want any of those nasty expensive bike lanes” and “we want more delays” and “our pet projects aren’t included in the list to proceed with” </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-379722 Wed, 21 May 2025 11:39:11 +0000 chdot 379722@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.livingstreetsedinburgh.org.uk/2025/05/17/lseg-calls-again-for-more-investment-in-everyday-walking/" rel="nofollow">https://www.livingstreetsedinburgh.org.uk/2025/05/17/lseg-calls-again-for-more-investment-in-everyday-walking/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-379660 Wed, 14 May 2025 13:28:36 +0000 bakky 379660@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes - however, the amendment he subsequently tabled (the ETRO for Option 3 - segregated lanes and no filters - to include the ability to<br /> roll back to a filtered LTN with no further ETRO needed) remains the big hope for the local campaign, i.e there is already a provision to undo the nonsense of reintroducing significant rat running to the streets in question. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-379658 Wed, 14 May 2025 10:07:35 +0000 chdot 379658@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>So it looks like after 4 years of lower traffic volumes and safer streets the council are going ahead with a further 18 months of trying out another design to please the rat-running drivers while making it difficult and dangerous for local families to cycle or walk to schools. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://bsky.app/profile/sheenanimmo.bsky.social/post/3lp2scaiwts26" rel="nofollow">https://bsky.app/profile/sheenanimmo.bsky.social/post/3lp2scaiwts26</a></p> <p>(A classic SA legacy shame) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-379656 Tue, 13 May 2025 19:45:20 +0000 chdot 379656@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Various posts from thread</p> <p><a href="https://bsky.app/profile/blackfordsaferoutes.co.uk/post/3lp2ojuo4mk2t" rel="nofollow">https://bsky.app/profile/blackfordsaferoutes.co.uk/post/3lp2ojuo4mk2t</a></p> <p>“<br /> A decent number of the better quality schemes are recommended to go ahead*</p> <p>Including:<br /> - Bridges &amp; Cowgate traffic reduction<br /> - Portobello junction<br /> - Dalry 20min neighbourhood<br /> - Lothian Road<br /> - George St !!!<br /> - Meadows to George St<br /> - Cameron Toll to Bioquarter<br /> - A8 corridor</p> <p>And:</p> <p>- Dundee St<br /> - Telfer subway ramp<br /> - Meadows to Canal<br /> - Powderhall railway path</p> <p>*whether they are actually delivered or not is another matter. The council have very poor form</p> <p>Now the bad. Disappointingly, the following are paused:</p> <p>- East Princes St<br /> - Porty 20min neighbourhood<br /> - Morrison St<br /> - Hanover St<br /> - Carrington Rd**<br /> - the Causey**<br /> - Queen St<br /> - Lauriston Place<br /> - a lot of the “quiet routes” are paused<br /> -Queensferry St<br /> -Waverley valley</p> <p>**could quickly, cheaply &amp; easily be improved with a traffic filter</p> <p>“ </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-379652 Tue, 13 May 2025 15:54:14 +0000 bakky 379652@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The long-awaited prioritisation list / Capital Investment Programme for the City Mobility Plan - a ten-year programme of projects intended to be realistic and feasible from a funding perspective - is on page 203 onwards of the May TEC agenda reports pack. <a href="https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/documents/g7247/Public%20reports%20pack%2022nd-May-2025%2010.00%20Transport%20and%20Environment%20Committee.pdf?T=10#page=214">Page 214 onwards</a> has a full list of projects and whether they are paused or will proceed, including a handful that I didn't know were still active at all (Burdiehouse to Mortonhall, and whisperings of Braid Hills Drive, for starters).</p> <p>It seems like a pretty positive outlook to me, though it's very apparent one of the big sacrifices is most of the issues raised by the Major Junctions Review. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-373188 Thu, 01 Feb 2024 16:44:16 +0000 chdot 373188@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Review today at TEC</p> <p>Some random thoughts -</p> <p>Currently watching TEC Committee</p> <p>Plans without costings</p> <p>‘A lot can be done without expensive engineering’</p> <p>‘Lots of minor things need TRO processes’</p> <p>‘14,000 roadworks per year’, “mind boggling” says SA</p> <p>Lots of ‘some of the things we did in the past could have been done better’</p> <p>Also ‘if we’d known North Bridge would be shut for so long, we could have done traffic surveys’</p> <p>“Princes Street completely unacceptable” - trip hazards etc says Head of Place</p> <p>‘Now working together more across CEC depts’</p> <p>Etc etc</p> <p>Glacial really</p> <p>—- —— ——</p> <p>Spokes thread</p> <p>Edinwebcast</p> <p>#7.1 #MobilityPlan &amp; 7.2 #FutureStreets massive policy docs, will discuss together<br /> -&gt; <a href="https://t.co/RHstjVc7aI" rel="nofollow">https://t.co/RHstjVc7aI</a></p> <p>Q: Cllr<br /> @jomowat<br /> says local issues #potholes #accessibility should come first</p> <p>A:<br /> @CllrScottArthur<br /> says #accessibility+#congestion+#emissions require fewer cars</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://x.com/SpokesLothian/status/1753027381533483381?s=20" rel="nofollow">https://x.com/SpokesLothian/status/1753027381533483381?s=20</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-366274 Thu, 02 Feb 2023 17:50:31 +0000 Morningsider 366274@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The Scottish Government's "policy shift" is not due to be published until 2025. See page 6 of <a href="https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/50872/a-route-map-to-achieve-a-20-per-cent-reduction-in-car-kms-by-2030.pdf">Reducing car use for a healthier, fairer and greener Scotland</a>, which states:</p> <p><blockquote>Our route map sets out the actions we will take between now and 2030 to support each of these four behaviours. In the near-term these are predominantly actions to encourage alternative behaviours. We are, however, committed to exploring options to further discourage car use, including developing a Car Demand Management Framework, based on further research into equitable options to discourage car use, by 2025.</blockquote></p> <p>So, well and truly kicked into the long grass. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-366272 Thu, 02 Feb 2023 17:44:51 +0000 chdot 366272@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p> @CllrScottArthur says #CongestionCharge *will* be considered in future, but now is too early ... needs more thought &amp; expected scotgov policy shifts </p> <p>@CllrCMiller (Grn) therefore agrees to postpone this </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1621186654257004545" rel="nofollow">https://mobile.twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1621186654257004545</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-366271 Thu, 02 Feb 2023 17:28:36 +0000 Morningsider 366271@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>Cllr Munro (Con) says council should implement majority views in consultns</blockquote></p> <p>Councillor Munro was elected on 17.6% of first preference votes in the Morningside ward, taking until the seventh round of counting to meet the threshold. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-366267 Thu, 02 Feb 2023 16:51:07 +0000 chdot 366267@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>#EdinWebCast #CityMobilityPlan</p> <p>Q: Cllr Munro (Con) says council should implement majority views in consultns</p> <p>A: Council must be honest about overall options for city, and why particular local decisions taken<br /> @lmacinnessnp adds that consultn is foe ideas/comments, not referendum</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1621171409522200578" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1621171409522200578</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-366260 Thu, 02 Feb 2023 16:06:04 +0000 chdot 366260@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1621157684274925569" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1621157684274925569</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-366214 Tue, 31 Jan 2023 23:38:59 +0000 chdot 366214@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52661168838_08de668881.jpg"></p> <p>A plan in search of a funding source</p> <p><a href="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52661168838_08de668881_b.jpg">Bigger</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-366206 Tue, 31 Jan 2023 19:44:52 +0000 chdot 366206@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Spokes response to Transport Cttee</p> <p>HERE-&gt; <a href="http://spokes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/230202-TEC-Spokes-deputation-re-CMP-delivery-docs-incl-ATAP.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://spokes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/230202-TEC-Spokes-deputation-re-CMP-delivery-docs-incl-ATAP.pdf</a></p> <p>…</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1620491523937939456" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1620491523937939456</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-366164 Sun, 29 Jan 2023 21:22:33 +0000 chdot 366164@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Cllr Arthur said together the Active Travel and Public Transport action plans were “a gamechanger” for the Capital. He said: “Edinburgh will easily be leading Scotland if we get these plans approved – and that's just the start. In terms of sustainable transport, if we pull these things off, we will be one of the leading European cities." He said that, taking into account money made available by the Scottish Government, the city’s budget for active travel alone over the next ten years would just over £1 billion. “I can’t find any city that has bigger or more ambitious plans. The Active Travel and Public Transport action plans together, I think, are going to transform Edinburgh for the better, cut congestion, and make it easier for people to come here and spend time here.” </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-transport-blueprint-public-transport-plans-will-make-edinburgh-one-of-leading-cities-in-europe-4005748" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-transport-blueprint-public-transport-plans-will-make-edinburgh-one-of-leading-cities-in-europe-4005748</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-366137 Sat, 28 Jan 2023 14:48:26 +0000 Yodhrin 366137@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Additional caveat being the pretty clear implication that if they restrict the bridges corridor in any way whatsoever, the price is they'll continue to treat Holyrood Park as a main through route for cars. The idea of forcing through traffic out of the city centre in its entirety just seems beyond them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-366135 Sat, 28 Jan 2023 14:05:34 +0000 LaidBack 366135@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>"At present, CCT proposes restrictions on through traffic for Bank Street, Market<br /> Street and George St. Other key routes which could now be considered would<br /> be North and South Bridges (Bridges corridor), Cowgate, the Lauriston Place<br /> corridor and Lothian Road."</blockquote></p> <p>Caveat on this is it may be just part-day. </p> <p>I think that if through north/south car journeys via city centre are not a thing then traffic on Comiston etc would also reduce. If however there is dubiety over when restrictions are in force then nothing will change and it may even increase congestion. (People set off and then U turn as they do at Holyrood Park gates) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-366132 Sat, 28 Jan 2023 11:31:38 +0000 chdot 366132@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“<br /> We estimate delivering every action in this plan to its fullest extent would cost £824m - £1,124bn</p> <p>“</p> <p>So</p> <p>A decent hire scheme is small change…</p> <p>“</p> <p>6.1 The option appraisal sets out a preferred option for a cycle hire scheme consisting of 140 docking stations, 1,120 bikes and 420 e-bikes (Option E) and that the scheme is procured and operated on the basis of a Managed Service<br /> (Option1). This would require initial capital investment of £8.36m and an annual revenue subsidy of £2.08m.</p> <p>…</p> <p>The remaining funding includes one off allocations of £0.5m in 2023/24, £0.5m in 2024/25 and £0.210 in 2025/26 and this has been put forward by officers as a proposed revenue budget saving in the Revenue Budget Framework 2023-27 report to the Finance and Resource Committee on 7 February 2023. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17899&amp;page=51#post-366121" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17899&amp;page=51#post-366121</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-366131 Sat, 28 Jan 2023 11:13:18 +0000 Morningsider 366131@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Okay, that was only a brief skim through - but there really isn't anything particularly new in there. I suppose it does pull together strands from other recent plans into one place, which is helpful. Ultimately though, it is the same list of projects we have been looking at for the last decade or so attached to some warm words.</p> <p>As @chdot says - delivery is everything. Given that we seem to have been going backwards over the last few months, with campaigners expending their energies on trying to maintain what we have, I can't say I feel massively inspired. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-366130 Sat, 28 Jan 2023 11:05:03 +0000 Morningsider 366130@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Wild cost estimate:</p> <p><blockquote>We estimate delivering every action in this plan to its fullest extent would cost £824m - £1,124bn (at 2022 prices).</blockquote></p> <p>That's not far off what it cost to build the Queensferry Crossing and its connecting motorways, but for projects that largely involve moving some kerbs and rejigging some junctions. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-366129 Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:58:39 +0000 Morningsider 366129@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Overall, the cycling chapter is pretty decent. Really just bringing together policies and plans we already know about. No new projects mentioned that I can see and delivery dates seem to be slipping further into the future. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-366128 Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:46:17 +0000 Morningsider 366128@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Meadows-Union canal planned completion date July 2025! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-366127 Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:41:52 +0000 Morningsider 366127@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Still going - that 130km figure is wild. It includes the entire length of the Union Canal in Edinburgh and the western part of the Water of Leith path, Cramond foreshore, the NEPN...the actual Forth Road Bridge! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-366126 Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:25:16 +0000 chdot 366126@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“130km of network have been either upgraded or built”</p> <p>I think the k is a typo. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-366125 Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:23:06 +0000 chdot 366125@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“nothing much to disagree with“</p> <p>That’s good, but as I’m sure you’ll agree, a plan/policy doesn’t mean anything will happen.</p> <p>Also with existing practices, might not mean any changes in actual delivery. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-366124 Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:21:59 +0000 Morningsider 366124@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh dear - from the off the cycling chapter includes multiple references to the "challenges" of creating continuous networks due to "limited road space". </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-366123 Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:21:34 +0000 Frenchy 366123@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I mean - really!? Would we not have noticed?</em></p> <p>I suspect "upgraded" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that one! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21233#post-366122 Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:18:57 +0000 Morningsider 366122@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Okay, nothing much to disagree with in the walking chapter. Better pavement maintenance, tighter corner radii, more seating, lots of dropped kerbs, improved crossings with more "green man" time, improvements for wheelchair users, a focus on high traffic areas, priority at junctions including continuous pavements. </p>