http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Worlds - elite men’s Road Race: where to watch? en Tue, 26 May 2026 05:04:18 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340&page=2#post-371110 Tue, 10 Oct 2023 21:06:30 +0000 chdot 371110@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Now, in his immensely readable and revealing new book he also explains that road cycling is a business where the suffering rider leaves his chances for glory “in the shaky hands of teams that are both state-of-the-art and shambolic”. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/oct/10/alex-dowsett-professional-cycling-is-fragile-billionaires-come-in-invest-and-get-blown-away" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/oct/10/alex-dowsett-professional-cycling-is-fragile-billionaires-come-in-invest-and-get-blown-away</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340&page=2#post-371104 Tue, 10 Oct 2023 12:10:47 +0000 acsimpson 371104@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm not sure but Jumbo presumably entered the Vuelta with vingegaard and Roglic as co-leaders. However with Kuss they also had a third very strong rider. He was riding his third Grand Tour of the year which is something many of the strongest riders will never do.</p> <p>When a breakaway goes ahead of the peloton then most teams will try and get at least one rider in it. That allows them to have some element of control in the race as without a rider in it they will have to work harder to chase the breakaway down, especially if they are the only team who want to stop the breakaway winning.</p> <p>On stage 6 Kuss managed to get into a much larger than normal breakawy of 40ish riders. Some teams were caught napping including Quickstep which meant that as it became clear the breakaway were not going to be caught Evenepoel had to work very hard to minimise the time loss to Kuss (as by this time they had realised he was a genuine threat in the overall GC). However by the end of the stage Kuss had been elevated from a domestique to having a genuine chance at the GC.</p> <p>From that point the three leaders weren't actively trying to harm each other in such a way that they would loose time to the field, but they were also not sacrificing themselves for the good of each other. There was still a lot of racing left and all it would have taken is for Kuss to have a bad day (Like Evenepoel had) for one of the other Jumbo riders to get back to the top. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340&page=2#post-371101 Tue, 10 Oct 2023 09:15:37 +0000 fimm 371101@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>(To add: a "good place on GC" might also depend on team and rider - for some it might be a top 10 finish, while others are there to try and win. </p> <p>This is further complicated by the fact that there is also a GC competition for riders under 23.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340&page=2#post-371100 Tue, 10 Oct 2023 09:11:01 +0000 fimm 371100@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>On a wider level than just the Vuelta (which was indeed particularly confusing) tactics depend on what the team is hoping to achieve, too.</p> <p>If the team has someone who is "going for GC" that means that they are looking for a good place in the overall <strong>G</strong>eneral <strong>C</strong>lassification, i.e. the shortest cumulative time over the whole stage race. The other riders in the team are responsible for looking after that rider (or riders, as acsimpson says). These riders are known as "domestiques". Sepp Kuss is/was a "superdomestique" which really just means that he is particularly good at his job (which is less stressful than being the overall team leader, among other things). </p> <p>(A bad analogy would be a football tournament where the winning team is the one with the person who has scored the most goals on it. That would produce rather different tactics to the way football is actually played!)</p> <p>Other teams may have a rider who is strong in bunch sprints, so again they will look after that rider but their tactics are very different.</p> <p>Then there are teams who either don't have a GC rider at all, or their GC rider is not having a good race (for example, Ineos at the Vuelta where Geraint Thomas did not have a good race). These teams encourage their riders to go for stage wins i.e. to win on an individual day, rather than the whole race.</p> <p>Hope that helps to make it a little bit less confusing! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340&page=2#post-371099 Tue, 10 Oct 2023 09:10:32 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 371099@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Visma Soudal merger is off apparently </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340&page=2#post-371098 Tue, 10 Oct 2023 07:38:04 +0000 gembo 371098@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>With La Vuelta I reckon Jumbo Visma allowed Kuss his break rather than telling him to calm the jam on the radio calculating they could reel him in later, e.g. in the time trial. But he seems to have improved in the time trial.</p> <p>Then when the three Jumbo riders could have attacked each other more the pressure was exerted from King Kelly and others about not attacking the leader which worked in his favour. It was then clear that the team would split post race . And roglic moved on but now with the super merger with Lotto Soudal we are back to the multiple leaders again. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340&page=2#post-371097 Tue, 10 Oct 2023 00:01:28 +0000 Yodhrin 371097@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Frenchy I mean sure, but 99 times out of a hundred it just screws things up for everyone. You make the argument you could do X job better before the game, once you're on the field you play for the team not yourself even if you don't agree with the decision that was made.</p> <p>@acsimpson I'm a bit confused still - your explanation of how things are supposed to work was great thank you, but with regards to the specific situation; the guy who broke away was the one who was *supposed* to break away, or was he the one who was supposed to be backing one of the others? Because that was where my thinking seemed to diverge from a lot of what I was seeing on twitter, to my mind the guy who decides "assigned roles? eff that I'M the badass here" and screws his teammates is the one with the ego, not the guy who expects everyone to stick to the plan. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340&page=2#post-371096 Mon, 09 Oct 2023 22:46:40 +0000 acsimpson 371096@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Yodhrin, I assume you are talking about the Vuelta Espania rather than the Worlds and I'll agree it's very confusing until you know what's going on. (After which it is just regular levels of confusing.)</p> <p>The riders are all riding for themselves despite being part of a team and will usually have one rider who is best placed to win (the team leader). The rest of the team will then put their personal ego's aside and support that leader to try and ensure the team wins. However you will sometimes have larger egos who clash (eg Wiggins/Froome) and not fully support each other.</p> <p>It's not uncommon for a team to start a grand tour with 2 co-leaders and see who ends up getting a lead on the road.</p> <p>The Vuelta was unusual in that 3 strong riders from 1 team ended up in the first three places. Initially the team decided to let the riders race on the road but forgot that it didn't really work. As soon as one of them broke away from the group the other two couldn't close the gap as they would be bringing members of an opposing team with them (It's much easier to keep up with another rider than go alone). This meant that what was said to be letting the three team members have a race to see who was strongest would have ended up coming down to luck more than strength. However in the end the larger ego failed to get enough lead to beat his own team mate and the worthiest rider won.</p> <p>Hopefully I've cleared the muddy water somewhere, although it's probably still dirty.</p> <p>Usually in a </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340&page=2#post-371094 Mon, 09 Oct 2023 21:08:51 +0000 Frenchy 371094@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"pfff, our scrum half is garbage, I, Number 8 am a much better player, eff that guy I do what I want"</p> <p>This approach has sometimes been highly successful, to be fair: <a href="https://youtu.be/Jp8f6OiwNtM?t=65" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/Jp8f6OiwNtM?t=65</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340&page=2#post-371092 Mon, 09 Oct 2023 20:33:34 +0000 Yodhrin 371092@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hmm. I'll try and sound a bit more human than normal then to counteract it :P</p> <p>I have a question, as someone who's not even a little into cycling as a sport and is only vaguely aware of it being shown a few times on the telly - are these races team games or not? Because I've seen &amp; heard talk of teams, team tactics, and names of "positions" in brief snips of discussion I've noticed, which suggests a team sport to me, but then a few weeks back on twitter I noticed a few of the cycling fans getting *really* animated about a "controversy" which, to an outsider, was pretty confusing(the thing about the lead rider's teammates racing against him rather than supporting him).</p> <p>Lots of talk of how it's "entitlement" of the lead guy to think that just because he's been given that position his "better" teammates shouldn't just ignore their assigned roles and smoke him etc, which from the perspective of someone who's only experience of team games is more traditional ones just seems bizarre, like me deciding back in the day "pfff, our scrum half is garbage, I, Number 8 am a much better player, eff that guy I do what I want" and disrupting the whole strategy over my ego. So which is it, a team sport or a proper race? And if the latter, why are the "superior" racers allowed to bring along a team of side-guys to help them at all, surely it should be just a straight-up individual competition? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340&page=2#post-371086 Mon, 09 Oct 2023 16:18:04 +0000 neddie 371086@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>sounds very AI generated </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340#post-371080 Mon, 09 Oct 2023 15:43:24 +0000 martingoller 371080@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Bike Shop Edinburgh" is a versatile and well-regarded establishment in the city <a href="https://www.edinburghbicycle.com/">bike coop</a>, catering to both casual cyclists and enthusiasts alike. With its wide range of bikes, accessories, and knowledgeable staff, it's a go-to destination for anyone interested in cycling in the Edinburgh area. One of the notable aspects of this shop is its commitment to customer service. The staff at Bike Shop Edinburgh are typically passionate about cycling and are happy to offer expert advice and recommendations based on individual needs and preferences. Whether you're a seasoned cyclist or a beginner, they can guide you in finding the perfect bike or accessories to suit your goals. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340#post-370984 Thu, 05 Oct 2023 09:54:51 +0000 martingoller 370984@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's always great to experience the atmosphere and energy of such events. As for your request for three coat hangers, you might want to try asking friends, family, or neighbors if they have some to spare, or consider checking local stores or shops where you can purchase coat hangers if you need them for a specific purpose. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340#post-369763 Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:17:38 +0000 CycleAlex 369763@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I managed to get to both elite road races and the time trial in Stirling. All really well attended with a great atmosphere. Taking my bike with me for the men’s road race was a mistake that wasn’t repeated! I managed to get on the second EDB train with ~10 other cyclists in the same carriage. </p> <p>On the last day they also had 50% off most of the merchandise/Santini gear but thankfully I could resist. Anyway, on a completely unrelated note, does anyone have three coat hangers I could borrow? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340#post-369755 Tue, 15 Aug 2023 21:21:37 +0000 acsimpson 369755@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We made it to a few events over the championships.</p> <p>We started with a couple of laps of the junior ladies road race was nice to see but as we didn't know anyone it lacked interest.</p> <p>We then went to the BMX freestyle which was a washout. Every time a show came through they would stop and wait. Once it was dry there would then be 20 minutes of warmup before a few competitive runs followed by more showers. They did have come and try BMX and trials setup though which the kids enjoyed but inevitably had long queues due to the lack of competition.</p> <p>We then made it to the velodrome which is always a good experience and this time including the first run of the Bigham V Ganna Pursuit.</p> <p>The outstanding event for us though was indoor cycling. We booked it as a bit of fun and ended up there on finals day. Almost the entire crowd seemed to have come from Switzerland, Austria or Germany. The Swiss in particular had a large section of the crowd wearing their local team colours after all the national team was their 1st team. During the artistic cycling you could have heard a pin drop in the crowd as the only sound was the riders music. However things changed every time a cycleball match began. The security team at the entrance were very effcient at confiscating metal water bottles but somehow drums, trumpets, vuvuzelas, airhorns, clapperboards, etc had all got past them. We were sitting next to the Austrian teams friends so their semi final against Germany was especially loud.</p> <p>Sadly Switzerland didn't quite manage to win the cycleball but they did stop the German's achieving a perfect clean sweep of rainbox jersey's by winning the ACT4 artistic event.</p> <p>Germany dominated this section of the championships winning 6/7 jerseys and 9/20 medals. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340#post-369754 Tue, 15 Aug 2023 20:55:00 +0000 HankChief 369754@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Last weekend, we went along to Burnshot to see the Mens Road Race depart - the usual cavalcade of motorbikes and vehicles with a quick whizz of riders going past. Got on the telly for a frame or so.</p> <p>This weekend we went to Glentress to see the MTB racing, which was very exciting with Tom Pidcock chasing down the leaders and some major new routes which will also have to go back to try.</p> <p>Also of note was the massive bike parking area at the bottom which got completely filled. We were glad of cycling from the P&amp;R site as the queue for the buses at the end was massive. We also got overtaken by several of the competitors as we made our way back to Peebles.</p> <p>Sunday we went to the BMX in Glasgow. A very different experience but amazing to watch. We were at the bottom of start ramp and had prime spot for the inevitable crashes. It was slightly macabre to see the stretcher next to the track get replaced very quickly after the first injured rider had need of it and then the next race it got replaced again...</p> <p>The whole of Quarterfinals, Semi Finals and Finals for 6 different categories was completed in 2 1/2 hours so whist each race was only c.30seconds long, we didn't have to wait long for the next race. </p> <p>Beth Schreiber was awesome in every race and well deserved her Rainbow Jersey. It was amazing that even in the post race interview 5 minutes after the race finished the riders are still panting heavily - they certainly give it everything during the race.</p> <p>Really good to have a World Champs nearby and opportunites to go see them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340#post-369744 Tue, 15 Aug 2023 10:31:43 +0000 PS 369744@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Safe infra is long way off and some older paths are needing upgraded."</p> <p>We all know this is true, but I'll take a bit of comfort from things I saw while spectating: The segregated cycle lanes on Sauchiehall Street in Glasgow. Similarly well done segregated cycle lanes outside the station in Stirling and along Dumbarton Road and Raploch Road, plus the general placemaking and road calming in front of the station and on Albert Place - I hadn't been in Stirling in years, and was really impressed by the changes. And the Peebles cycle path that I used from the park &amp; ride down into town (could have done with something obvious along to Glentress, but I was running late so I just rode along the road on that bit). A long way to go, but these are good examples to build on and for other Councils to follow. </p> <p>The racing was great. And it was fantastic seeing all the Belgian/Danish/Norwegian/Dutch etc fans here - will be interesting to see some figures around its impact on tourism. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340#post-369742 Tue, 15 Aug 2023 09:07:01 +0000 fimm 369742@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We went to the rollout in Edinburgh and Mr fimm and some friends went through to Glasgow on the train and really enjoyed the atmosphere, especially on the Scott Street climb (which wasn't barriered, so the crowds were doing the whole moving in and out effect). </p> <p>Mr fimm also took the train to Stirling for the women's time trial which he also enjoyed.</p> <p>We went to Glentress on Saturday for the mountainbiking which was also very good - we enjoyed the atmosphere. There were good crowds but because it was ticketed it wasn't absolutely crammed. We went there by car, and they had park and ride set-ups with busses to take you on site. Mr fimm and some of his friends cycled down from Edinburgh. </p> <p>We watched the women's race on the TV! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340#post-369741 Mon, 14 Aug 2023 21:50:00 +0000 LaidBack 369741@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>Up Montrose St = epic</blockquote></p> <p>The coverage was good - although Sunday had BMX on till the race got into city (on BBC Scotland channel) - you had to use red button to get the women's race from start at Balloch.<br /> Looking at the crowds it was obviously popular despite the moans of taxi drivers. The topography of Glasgow has never been used to such effect before.</p> <p>Scottish tourism elsewhere might get a benefit too but if it's just more campervans then maybe not that good. The difficult bit is when politicians think there may be long term active and health benefits. Chat of cycle tourism benefitting is premature. Safe infra is long way off and some older paths are needing upgraded.</p> <p>Environmentally there is a cost of course with a big sport event - huge amount of energy used moving around but not as crazy as F1. </p> <p>Scotrail had two very busy weekends I hear with people favouring direct trains into centre. Luckliy no strikes here. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340#post-369739 Mon, 14 Aug 2023 18:00:03 +0000 paddyirish 369739@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We had a week in Norfolk while this was on, but I bookended the journeys with the two road races. We watched the men go through Rosyth before heading south and I got dropped off in Glasgow to see the Women's RR circuits on the way back.</p> <p>Both were great - the men's for the whoosh effect of the peleton flying through in a matter of seconds on roads I ride myself, and the women's for the steady build up of suspense until the last lap. I was able to move from Argyle St, to the finish, up Montrose St and settled round the corner on Cathedral St where I could see the riders twice, coming in 2 directions. </p> <p>The event was well marshalled and road crossings were managed pretty well in the gaps between race entourages progress.</p> <p>Disagree with the criticism of the circuit- the world championships are run over different parcours which suit different types of riders (climbers, sprinters, classics riders etc.). It is fine to have the criterium type race occasionally as well.</p> <p>Think Glasgow embraced it fully I saw loads of people on the trains to and from the women's race and all were animated and excited about the event. Scotrail even planned for it in advance and had extra capacity on the train I was on (almost unheard of!) </p> <p>Friends have been to the track and MTB in Glentress as well and thoroughly enjoyed it. Hope others did too! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340#post-369738 Mon, 14 Aug 2023 17:08:43 +0000 toomanybikes 369738@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Being in Glasgow for the men's race was by far the best cycling spectator experience I've had </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340#post-369737 Mon, 14 Aug 2023 15:33:34 +0000 LaidBack 369737@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So what did people think of the whole event then? I enjoyed watching most of the elite women's race. Riders from Afghanistan took part - not really due to any great help from UCI though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340#post-369596 Sat, 05 Aug 2023 19:10:18 +0000 chdot 369596@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>One of the biggest names in professional cycling has joined some of his fellow riders in criticising the urban circuit of the 2023 UCI Cycling World Championships in Glasgow ahead of the showpiece Men's Elite Road Race on Sunday. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://archive.is/LIwUg" rel="nofollow">https://archive.is/LIwUg</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340#post-369586 Fri, 04 Aug 2023 20:17:45 +0000 LaidBack 369586@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>On the non-elite side spent a couple of hours watching Gran Fondo from outside Kirkmichael Village shop.<br /> Quite a big crowd with flags, clapping and cheering.</p> <p>All amateurs- waves of them set off on 160km circuit from Perth including Loch Tummel and the Moulin Moor over from Pitlochry.<br /> Mix of men and women - Chileans, Mexicans, Afghans... at least one rider from Malawi.<br /> People really enjoyed the social and didn't moan about not being able to drive.<br /> Posted on X.<br /> They were flying down to Bridge of Cally...! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340#post-369580 Fri, 04 Aug 2023 15:14:51 +0000 chdot 369580@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2023/uci-cycling-world-championships-how-to-watch" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2023/uci-cycling-world-championships-how-to-watch</a> </p> <p><a href="https://www.eurosport.com/cycling/world-championships/2023/uci-cycling-world-championships-2023-live-stream-tv-coverage-schedule-and-who-is-riding-as-scotland-_sto9727730/story.shtml" rel="nofollow">https://www.eurosport.com/cycling/world-championships/2023/uci-cycling-world-championships-2023-live-stream-tv-coverage-schedule-and-who-is-riding-as-scotland-_sto9727730/story.shtml</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340#post-369578 Fri, 04 Aug 2023 12:35:12 +0000 chdot 369578@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-roads-road-closures-and-bus-diversions-in-place-for-uci-world-cycling-championships-this-weekend-4240833" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-roads-road-closures-and-bus-diversions-in-place-for-uci-world-cycling-championships-this-weekend-4240833</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340#post-369573 Fri, 04 Aug 2023 09:04:45 +0000 fimm 369573@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Going to Glasgow still under discussion here. Some friends of Mr fimm definitely are doing so.<br /> (I watched the Commonwealth Games RR in Glasgow. That was <em>wet</em>.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340#post-369570 Thu, 03 Aug 2023 12:52:12 +0000 SRD 369570@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@fimm we are also debating a train to Glasgow after the start, but likely won’t. We got wet enough at Harrogate. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340#post-369564 Thu, 03 Aug 2023 08:29:14 +0000 fimm 369564@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>G is doing the Time Trial but not the road race, AFAIK.</p> <p>We are thinking of going to Holyrood Park to see what we can see, and then getting the train to Glasgow, though it is not certain that we'll do the latter. The aim is to enjoy the atmosphere/seeing the race pass by, not to get a good overview of the actual race! If you really want to know what is going on, then watching TV is your best bet.<br /> (When we watched the Worlds in Innsbruck, we managed to find a big screen after the riders had passed us for the last time and so did see what happened in the end.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21340#post-369561 Wed, 02 Aug 2023 20:48:17 +0000 gembo 369561@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Shame as he does well in winter conditi9ns in Glasgow summertime. </p>