http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: “Cross East Lothian Active Freeway” en Tue, 19 May 2026 00:37:39 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21365#post-374459 Sun, 14 Apr 2024 20:14:51 +0000 gembo 374459@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sadly now closed </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21365#post-374456 Sun, 14 Apr 2024 18:44:24 +0000 Morningsider 374456@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Pretty sure I saw 'Active Freeway Principles' at the Jazz Cellar a while back. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21365#post-374453 Sun, 14 Apr 2024 15:50:34 +0000 Frenchy 374453@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Spokes asked Transport Scotland last year:</p> <p>What are active travel freeways? Who will fund them and who will build them?</p> <p>The response was:</p> <p>"Transport Scotland will identify and progress design development of the strategic active freeways network, including an appraisal methodology for identifying the most appropriate locations for this investment and which could be used for future investment decisions in active travel routes in Autumn 2023. Some local authorities through the Bus Partnership Fund are designing complimentary active travel routes based on Active Freeway principles."</p> <p>I'm not convinced that we learned anything by asking. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21365#post-374452 Sun, 14 Apr 2024 15:31:32 +0000 Morningsider 374452@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Active-travel freeways are not "on the back burner". They have never existed in any meaningful sense, not even as a policy. They were simply 'an announcement'. Political flim-flam aimed at burnishing the Scottish Government's green credentials and momentarily distracting people from looking at where the money is really going - new road building.</p> <p>What constitutes an 'active travel freeway' has never been defined. There is no specific budget to deliver them. There is no plan to build them and they have rarely been mentioned since their initial annoucement. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21365#post-374449 Sun, 14 Apr 2024 09:26:07 +0000 chdot 374449@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Generally speaking…</p> <p>“</p> <p>A network of “active freeways” to encourage people to cycle between Scotland’s town and city centres and outlying areas is “on the back burner” despite ministers’ ambitious target of cutting car use, a new book has claimed. </p> <p>Cycling journalist Laura Laker wrote in Potholes and Pavements – a Bumpy Ride on Britain’s National Cycle Network (NCN), which is published on May 9: “Things are moving very slowly, if they’re moving at all. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20240414082143/https://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/scotlands-promised-active-freeways-cycle-routes-on-the-back-burner-4589723" rel="nofollow">https://web.archive.org/web/20240414082143/https://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/scotlands-promised-active-freeways-cycle-routes-on-the-back-burner-4589723</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21365#post-374441 Sat, 13 Apr 2024 10:55:21 +0000 gembo 374441@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Very under used road that. They should increase the speed limit to 80mph and allow drivers to divert off the new A1 dual carriage way </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21365#post-374440 Sat, 13 Apr 2024 10:43:57 +0000 mcairney 374440@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yep it's actually hilarious how much gnashing of teeth there is over reducing the limit from 60-40 on a 8-mile stretch of road is. It'll add what, about 4 minutes of travel time on? I've seen traffic light cycles that take longer than that.<br /> Not to mention that there's literally a dual carriageway running parallel to it.<br /> And people say cyclists are entitled...</p> <p>Turns out that stretch is longer than I thought (hence the revised timings)! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21365#post-374436 Fri, 12 Apr 2024 22:12:45 +0000 boothym 374436@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Via: <a href="https://twitter.com/nigelbagshaw/status/1778774790469308528" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/nigelbagshaw/status/1778774790469308528</a></p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/east-lothian-roads-hundreds-sign-petition-against-cutting-speed-limit-on-old-a1-to-allow-cycle-path-4588541" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/east-lothian-roads-hundreds-sign-petition-against-cutting-speed-limit-on-old-a1-to-allow-cycle-path-4588541</a></p> <p>Says the reduction from NSL to 40mph on the A199 has been approved as otherwise they'd need to widen the cycle path onto private land, and funds from outside sources (Sustrans?) were subject to the reduced speed limit being part of the project.</p> <p>One of the comments on the <a href="https://www.change.org/p/maintain-the-a199-speed-limit-at-60mph">650 signature petition</a> - "There's already a cycle path there which cost thousands*. Cyclists should have to use the cycle path provided or be fined if they don’t!" *(no there's not)</p> <p>Funny that when cyclists are on the road they get told to use the cycle path (even if it's not suitable or doesn't go where they're going) yet drivers have an issue with using their own dedicated parallel A1 dual carriageway... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21365#post-370405 Thu, 14 Sep 2023 00:32:29 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 370405@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“ Technically there is - however it's just a not very wide pavement with a few blue shared use signs at various points...”</p> <p>Thanks - I did check various junctions but nothing. Which begs the question how one is supposed to know… </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21365#post-370404 Wed, 13 Sep 2023 22:16:09 +0000 mcairney 370404@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I always thought that dual-carriageway stretch was a remnant of when it was the old A1. It's crying out to be reduced to a single carriageway and a a decent path and cycle lane put in place given the dualled section must be only around a mile long </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21365#post-370403 Wed, 13 Sep 2023 19:56:36 +0000 boothym 370403@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>Unbelievably, I don't think there's currently any marked cycle provision between East Linton and Amisfield Mains (just before Haddington r/about).</blockquote><br /> Technically there is - however it's just a not very wide pavement with a few blue shared use signs at various points...</p> <p><a href="https://goo.gl/maps/hZeL69nUrP8aVq788" rel="nofollow">https://goo.gl/maps/hZeL69nUrP8aVq788</a></p> <p>Connecting up the A199 villages/towns by adding a 3-4m shared use path in between them shouldn't be that difficult, there's plenty of space with the already wide carriageway, painted cycle lanes on either side and verges. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21365#post-370402 Wed, 13 Sep 2023 18:16:18 +0000 Arellcat 370402@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Active Freeways are intervention 3c in the <a href="https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/48839/nts-delivery-plan-2020-2022.pdf">National Transport Strategy Delivery Plan</a>:</p> <p><blockquote>"Over the lifetime of the next Parliament, we are committing an additional £50 million to ‘Active Freeways’ which will involve identification and design development of the strategic active travel network, to <strong>provide segregated active travel routes on main travel corridors</strong> to city and town centres and major trip attractors linking communities throughout Scotland"</blockquote></p> <p>and you can find them referenced in paras 3.3.18 and 3.3.22 of the <a href="https://www.gov.scot/publications/securing-green-recovery-path-net-zero-update-climate-change-plan-20182032/pages/9/">Climate Change Plan update</a>:</p> <p><blockquote>"2025</p> <p>Need for any new petrol and diesel light commercial vehicles in public bodies phased out.</p> <p><strong>Delivery</strong> of our first Active Freeways: segregated active travel routes on main travel corridors."</blockquote></p> <p>Carlton Reid's map of former cycle ways includes one along the A198 between Seton Mains and Longniddry. I had misremembered it as being along the original A1 route east of Haddington. It's not very long, of course, but was probably wider before the road was dualled.</p> <p><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1yoi-eZVATatYQfhMiKh4PpaSQro&amp;hl=en&amp;ll=55.98065412840397%2C-2.8842554039001778&amp;z=9" rel="nofollow">https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1yoi-eZVATatYQfhMiKh4PpaSQro&amp;hl=en&amp;ll=55.98065412840397%2C-2.8842554039001778&amp;z=9</a></p> <p>and now:</p> <p><a href="https://goo.gl/maps/mP566uBmsJPyxZRx8" rel="nofollow">https://goo.gl/maps/mP566uBmsJPyxZRx8</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21365#post-370401 Wed, 13 Sep 2023 17:31:43 +0000 neddie 370401@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>yes, as Muran says, shared-use needs to be wide, with a decent buffer between the path and the road </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21365#post-370400 Wed, 13 Sep 2023 16:17:04 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 370400@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Proper width shared use would work quite well on a lot of the A199, side roads and entrances are pretty few and far apart. Let's face it, it's either that or more painted lanes and that works really well for Tranent-Haddington /sarcasm</p> <p>Unbelievably, I don't think there's currently any marked cycle provision between East Linton and Amisfield Mains (just before Haddington r/about). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21365#post-370399 Wed, 13 Sep 2023 13:45:57 +0000 neddie 370399@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think shared-use is OK in the countryside, the important thing being that it's given proper priority at junctions, so you're not having to continually stop / jink at every driveway &amp; side road </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21365#post-370398 Wed, 13 Sep 2023 13:06:54 +0000 Yodhrin 370398@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is there news on the Musselburgh stretch mentioned? The website times out and all I can find by google is a consultation from 2021.</p> <p>As for this proposal - how is this still a thing? Shared paths into shared crossings into split cycle provision that just feeds right back into shared crossings, literally why bother. Either pretend you're a proper modern council that employs at least some Officers that aren't from the 20th century transportation Dark Ages and do a bloody Dutch design, or give up the pretense and just make it all wide shared-use. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21365#post-370396 Wed, 13 Sep 2023 12:53:06 +0000 neddie 370396@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This will be useful as an inland route - it's a bit more than just Wallyford Toll roundabout, there's a route planned from Dunbar to Wallyford Toll via East Linton and Haddington.</p> <p>I encourage all to fill out the survey</p> <p>More info: <a href="https://www.eastlothian.gov.uk/info/210566/roads_and_transport/12809/cross_east_lothian_active_freeway" rel="nofollow">https://www.eastlothian.gov.uk/info/210566/roads_and_transport/12809/cross_east_lothian_active_freeway</a></p> <p>That said though, why won't they fix the gaps in the coastal route, particularly Longniddry to Aberlady? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21365#post-370393 Wed, 13 Sep 2023 12:31:26 +0000 chdot 370393@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>(Should I be aware of this?)</p> <p>“</p> <p>Phase 7: Wallyford Toll Roundabout </p> <p>….</p> <p>We would like to invite you to join us for an online discussion session on the Wallyford Toll project with other local groups. The project is looking to provide active travel improvements at the roundabout (<a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9425568,-3.0082797,261m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu">Google Maps link</a>) to make it safer for people walking, wheeling, and cycling.</p> <p>The session will take place on Tuesday 19 September 2023, between 6.30pm and 7.30pm. The event will be a virtual meeting and will consist of a presentation followed by discussions in breakout rooms. The event will take place on Microsoft Teams.</p> <p>…</p> <p>If you are unable to attend, please let me know and we would be happy to arrange a separate call. If you would prefer to provide comments or questions via email, these can be sent to myself and / or <a href="mailto:wallyfordtollroundabout@aecom.com">wallyfordtollroundabout@aecom.com</a>.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.eastlothian.gov.uk/wallyford-toll" rel="nofollow">https://www.eastlothian.gov.uk/wallyford-toll</a> </p>