http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: ‘Council line on cycle route raises questions over safety of LTNs’ en Thu, 21 May 2026 03:45:59 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21785#post-380472 Tue, 05 Aug 2025 09:28:37 +0000 neddie 380472@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The main issue is that the deputation and written response by Leith Links CC, against the Hawthornvale to Seafield cycleway, is highly unlikely to truly represent community views</p> <p>And the whole point of Community Councils is to represent the community. If that isn't maintained, then CCs cease to be relevant and should be ignored </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21785#post-380471 Tue, 05 Aug 2025 08:48:21 +0000 Frenchy 380471@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes, community councillors can be married to politicians and be members of political parties themselves. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21785#post-380470 Mon, 04 Aug 2025 22:36:29 +0000 acsimpson 380470@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Given that a councillor's wife is a politically exposed person can they still be considered politically neutral? All CC members must declare their neutrality so if White's wife is a member of the blue Tories then she is presumably in breach of her office. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21785#post-380467 Mon, 04 Aug 2025 15:37:10 +0000 chdot 380467@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Safer cities for women </p> <p>People Fixing The World </p> <p>How can you stop women being harassed in the street? </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct3j2d" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct3j2d</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21785#post-380465 Mon, 04 Aug 2025 13:21:54 +0000 bakky 380465@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If I substitute in the idea of driving a tank for the idea of travelling at night?</p> <p>'Can't believe the council themselves are saying it's not safe to drive a tank through the LTN when they said LTNs are safe, but that it would be somehow safer to drive the tank on a main road' </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21785#post-380464 Mon, 04 Aug 2025 12:53:58 +0000 Morningsider 380464@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A totally disingenuous argument. The cycle route isn't "unsafe" due to the presence of an LTN. It is potentially unsafe at night as it is routed through a large park with limited natural surveillance and huge dark areas. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21785#post-380463 Mon, 04 Aug 2025 12:26:44 +0000 neddie 380463@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>How do LTNs reduce crime?</p> <p>Street crime is reduced in LTNs. Academics and police experts believe that this is due to a combination of more ‘eyes on the street’, which have a high deterrence effect, and a reduction in car-enabled crime including drugs crime and ‘car-enabled anti-social behaviour’</p> <p>A study of Waltham Forest LTN over several years found a long-term reduction in crime. The introduction of a low traffic neighbourhood was associated with a 10% decrease in total street crime (95% confidence interval 7% to 13%), and this effect increased with a longer duration since implementation (18% decrease after 3 years). <a href="https://ideas.repec.org/p/osf/socarx/ftm8d.html" rel="nofollow">https://ideas.repec.org/p/osf/socarx/ftm8d.html</a></p> <p>An even larger reduction was observed for violence and sexual offences, the most serious subcategory of crime. The only subcategory of crime that increased significantly was bicycle theft, probably reflecting increased cycling levels. There was no indication of displacement of any crime subcategory into adjacent areas.</blockquote></p> <p><a href="https://cohsat.org.uk/low-traffic-neighbourhoods-evidence/" rel="nofollow">https://cohsat.org.uk/low-traffic-neighbourhoods-evidence/</a></p> <p>Let's hope our council follow the evidence, rather than motorists' rants, dressed up via Community Councils </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21785#post-380462 Mon, 04 Aug 2025 12:00:19 +0000 neddie 380462@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sadly, Leith Links CC have been infiltrated by the Tories, with Cllr Iain White's partner sitting on the committee</p> <p>Given the very low level of car ownership in the area, their objection to the cycle lane <em>cannot be representative of the community.</em> Worse still, Cllr White amplified these non-representative views "as fact" at the last Transport and Environment Committee meeting. Cronyism at its worst.</p> <p>Where is the evidence that the community does not support the Hawthornvale to Seafield cycleway? How were the community contacted (by Leith Links CC), engaged in a non-biased manner, and any results ensured to be demographically representative? Were any other community groups, such as Leith LTN, invited to contribute?</p> <p>The whole thing smacks of a handful of NIMBY drivers in the committee of Leith Links CC inflicting their own opinions on the community</p> <p>And worse worse still, Leith Links CC have managed to convince a formerly neutral Leith Harbour and Newhaven CC to oppose the cycleway as well</p> <p><a href="http://www.leithlinkscc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/LLCC-Response-to-Hawthornevale-Seafield-route-1.docx" rel="nofollow">http://www.leithlinkscc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/LLCC-Response-to-Hawthornevale-Seafield-route-1.docx</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21785#post-380461 Mon, 04 Aug 2025 11:51:43 +0000 bakky 380461@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I had sort of dismissed that article out of hand;</p> <p>They conflate a 'safe route' in an LTN - which is safe because of being lower traffic and therefore free-er of car danger, with a 'safe route' at night time which is ideally on main, arterial roads with lots of passive/social surveillance, lighting, lack of nooks and crannies and dark corners.</p> <p>It just seemed - to me at least - likely a completely thick-headed argument to pick out the word 'safe' and sneer at LTNs because they're not as desirable at night as a main road route. Especially because if they were tasked with walking home at 2am they'd be choosing the main road every time. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21785#post-380460 Mon, 04 Aug 2025 11:35:32 +0000 Frenchy 380460@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Risks are location-dependent, time-dependent and user-dependent. Providing choices is an obviously good thing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21785#post-380459 Mon, 04 Aug 2025 11:27:04 +0000 chdot 380459@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-roads-council-line-on-cycle-route-raises-questions-over-safety-of-low-traffic-neighbourhoods-5253983" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-roads-council-line-on-cycle-route-raises-questions-over-safety-of-low-traffic-neighbourhoods-5253983</a></p> <p>Raises LOTS of questions.</p> <p>Previously </p> <p><a href="http://www.leithlinkscc.org.uk/leith-links-in-the-headlines/" rel="nofollow">http://www.leithlinkscc.org.uk/leith-links-in-the-headlines/</a> </p>