http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Take care cutting carbon, or you may end up using more" en Sun, 31 May 2026 12:04:05 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2250#post-24005 Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:06:07 +0000 chdot 24005@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Why Biofuels Help Push Up World Food Prices"</p> <p>"In America, 40% of the corn crop is currently diverted to make fuel for cars."</p> <p><a href="http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2048885,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2048885,00.html</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2250#post-23939 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:10:15 +0000 cb 23939@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Nicely calculated Arellcat, but for the sake of the planet I wish you would read/type faster! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2250#post-23933 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:44:58 +0000 Arellcat 23933@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>What's the carbon footprint of this thread?</em></p> <p>It depends on whether you're reading it, reading it plus the linked articles, whether you're also replying to it, what device you're using to access the forum, and how long each of those options takes.</p> <p>It took me 2'25" to read this thread down to kaputnik's environ-twaddle comment, but not reading the articles, and this reply has taken 4'36" to write. Given that the computer and monitor I'm using right now draws a nice steady 90W, the energy requirement for this thread for me has been 0.0105kWh, and using the latest Defra grid purchased electricity conversion factor of 0.53936 kgCO2/kWh, I make that about 5.7 grammes of CO2.</p> <p>That mass of CO2 is equivalent to driving a Bentley Mulsanne 14 metres. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2250#post-23913 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:36:46 +0000 kaputnik 23913@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Guardian Edinburgh doesn't half repost a lot of enviro-twaddle sometimes. I'm still miffed they never responded to my long email pointing out some factual innacuracies in how they portrated Edinburgh as having the 3rd-highest CO2 emmissions per capita in the UK - it was in the Evening News, it must be true! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2250#post-23910 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:08:21 +0000 chdot 23910@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<a href="http://guardian.co.uk/edinburgh/2011/feb/14/edinburgh-carbon-conversations-transition-irina-nedelcu">Reducing Edinburgh's carbon footprint through conversaton</a>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2250#post-23903 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:19:28 +0000 chdot 23903@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Are we not just as likely to spend the money on carbon friendly products?"</p> <p>Well that depends...</p> <p>Apart from definitions of "carbon friendly products" I assume (not read it!) the point of the report is to do with human psychologies and actions and it's pointing out that things are not simple or linear.</p> <p>A lot of the 'debate' around 'carbon neutral', 'sustainable energy' etc. seems to revolve around the notion of how 'we' (usually the 'affluent' 'west') can do (more of) the same using less oil/coal <em>and</em> (especially) feel less guilty about whatever we do/buy.</p> <p>It's not that long since carbon trading/offset and turning <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2250#post-24005">food growing (or rainforest) land into production for 'bio-fuels'</a> were seen as good/sustainable/way to go.</p> <p>There are few certainties - 'death and (more) taxes'.</p> <p>Whatever the views/truths ARE about Global Warming, Peak Oil, population growth, food production/distribution, Sustainable Growth, Development, Capitalism, Consumerism, human rights, equity, fairness etc. etc. there is no 'simple' answer! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2250#post-23902 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 11:59:06 +0000 cb 23902@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What's the carbon footprint of this thread? (just made it a bit worse there - sorry) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2250#post-23901 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 11:46:54 +0000 recombodna 23901@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What's the carbon footprint of this study? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2250#post-23900 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 11:43:06 +0000 cb 23900@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm not sure I can see the premise of this study as being anything other than a bit pointless. The idea that if we save money by implementing some carbon saving measure we are at risk of spending that money on some carbon loaded product seems to just be scaremongering if anything.<br /> Are we not just as likely to spend the money on carbon friendly products? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2250#post-23889 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 07:26:06 +0000 steveo 23889@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's quite difficult to find actual imported lager most of the import brands are made by inbev in England. Probably just SnN to avoid since they off shored mccewans. </p> <p>Come to think about it there is no reason not to just drink caley.. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2250#post-23887 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 01:56:29 +0000 kaputnik 23887@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I thought this was going to offer advice about fititng a fork with a carbon steerer. £3.35 for a bottle of Corona? These "experts" obviously drink in the wrong sort of pubs! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2250#post-23886 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 01:40:58 +0000 chdot 23886@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"It has been calculated by environmental experts that one single bottle of imported beer uses 900g of CO2 - wiping out two-thirds of the annual carbon savings made by replacing all light bulbs in an average home with energy-saving models."</p> <p><a href="http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/news/Take-care-cutting-carbon-or.6717574.jp" rel="nofollow">http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/news/Take-care-cutting-carbon-or.6717574.jp</a> </p>