http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Newly desired paths en Tue, 19 May 2026 01:02:29 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=3#post-372815 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 23:15:57 +0000 chdot 372815@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“I think the router is favoring the highway=cycleway over highway=footway, it might also prefer the paved surface.“</p> <p>That seems likely and demonstrates that CycleStreets routing is quite sophisticated!</p> <p>Also (perhaps) that it is deliberately trying to quantify the effects of “informal” paths/surfaces <em>and</em> therefore the disincentives to walking and cycling!… </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=3#post-372814 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 22:53:01 +0000 chdot 372814@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>But I’m not suggesting that everywhere that some people leave marks in grass should be tarmaced. </p> <p>Places like this should probably have a low fence (a simple rail on top of these posts would work here) - to protect a new hedge -</p> <p><img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53456326489_ec4cf827a4_b.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=3#post-372813 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 22:46:21 +0000 chdot 372813@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“or through choice (i.e. might be used by another app/website)“</p> <p>Ok understand. </p> <p>I know people that I’ve introduced to the idea/reality of desire lines and now notice them…</p> <p>I think greater awareness is desirable. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=3#post-372812 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 22:41:42 +0000 chdot 372812@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“Normally in OSM we use informal=yes tag for desire lines”</p> <p>Ok </p> <p>It might prove to be controversial/unwanted, but in many case I think desire lines should be <em>formalised</em> - ie not mud. </p> <p>If ‘we’/councils are remotely keen on encouraging walking (and cycling), things like this just shouldn’t exist!</p> <p><img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53456313569_1867a0f1f0_b.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=3#post-372811 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 22:02:05 +0000 cb 372811@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"People using OSM probably know about desire lines."</p> <p>Probably largely true although not every OSM user is using it directly, or through choice (i.e. might be used by another app/website). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=3#post-372810 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 21:35:07 +0000 chrisfl 372810@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Normally in OSM we use informal=yes tag for desire lines </p> <p><blockquote>No idea why “quietest” route is differenr for this short section</blockquote></p> <p>I think the router is favoring the highway=cycleway over highway=footway, it might also prefer the paved surface. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=3#post-372807 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 20:40:06 +0000 chdot 372807@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ CB</p> <p>“you don't think someone might infer from this that those paths don't actually exist” </p> <p>No </p> <p>People using them won’t be checking OSM. </p> <p>People using OSM probably know about desire lines. </p> <p>With OSM, if it doesn’t exist (or under construction) the ‘path’ won’t have nodes joined up to ‘connecting’ paths. </p> <p><a href="https://m.cyclestreets.net/journey/93504043/#15.85/55.965524/-3.2406" rel="nofollow">https://m.cyclestreets.net/journey/93504043/#15.85/55.965524/-3.2406</a></p> <p>No idea why “quietest” route is differenr for this short section! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-372806 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 20:23:31 +0000 cb 372806@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hmmm, you don't think someone might infer from this that those paths don't actually exist and are just a proposal for the future? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-372794 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:10:52 +0000 chdot 372794@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My reason for looking was to post this -</p> <p><img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53455029041_aee01daca1_c.jpg"></p> <p><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/55.96485/-3.24099&amp;layers=C" rel="nofollow">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/55.96485/-3.24099&amp;layers=C</a></p> <p>The paths were already on OSM I just named them as (desire line) and was pleased to see this is now on the top layer!</p> <p>These well used paths SHOULD now be tarmaced as part of the new housing development. </p> <p>‘But money ran out’. </p> <p>Still haven’t found out it if was a planning condition… </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-372793 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:10:43 +0000 chdot 372793@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I know there’s another desire lines thread somewhere, but this one has some class nostalgia. </p> <p>“</p> <p>A desire path (often referred to as a desire line in transportation planning), also known as a game trail, social trail, fishermen trail, herd path, cow path, elephant path, buffalo trace, goat track, pig trail, use trail and bootleg trail </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desire_path" rel="nofollow">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desire_path</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-39617 Tue, 30 Aug 2011 18:14:30 +0000 crowriver 39617@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So then you can get 6,000 km of shared use path (cyclists, pedestrians, dogs) for the same price as 8 km of urban motorway or 12 km of tram (with associated rolling stock).</p> <p>6,000.</p> <p>On value for money grounds alone, we need a Scottish Government strategic project to build say 6,000 km of new paths. For reference, that's Land's End to John O'Groats six times over, with 180 km to spare. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-39611 Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:15:04 +0000 kaputnik 39611@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>£86,500 per metre </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-39609 Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:06:25 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 39609@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm sure the cost per metre of the M74 extension was astronomical as well wasn't it? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-39607 Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:02:02 +0000 kaputnik 39607@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Suemccheeks interesting numbers in there that it costs £105,000 to tarmac and put lights on 750m of path (£133 a metre)</p> <p>Could use to help calculate what it might cost to tarmac other bits of surface around town.</p> <p>(bearing in mind the Tram currently costing something like £57k - 69k a metre. Depending on which set of figures you use and which destination you choose. It must be borne in mind that the destination and the total cost is different depending on if name of the day ends in a "y") </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-39602 Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:16:34 +0000 crowriver 39602@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'd say the Chancelot path upgrade is very welcome: very bumpy and puncture risk at the moment. Also a more direct way to connect to Ferry Road, Newhaven from MacDonald Road. Otherwise one has to divert via the admittedly pleasant alternatives, with junctions to be negotiated, etc.</p> <p>Well done CEC. Nice to be able to say that sometimes! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-39600 Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:54:35 +0000 suemckeeks 39600@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>News of the current work upgrading Chancelot path here: <a href="http://innertubemap.com/blog/post/271" rel="nofollow">http://innertubemap.com/blog/post/271</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-38778 Sat, 20 Aug 2011 00:33:21 +0000 chdot 38778@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I've been told - 'Chancelot Path - just lighting, surfacing delayed until June due to badgers in the area'."</p> <p><a href="http://twitpic.com/68koe5"><img src="http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6079/6060085811_ea74221f3b.jpg"></a></p> <p>Photo <a href="http://twitpic.com/photos/suemckeeks" rel="nofollow">http://twitpic.com/photos/suemckeeks</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-32104 Wed, 25 May 2011 11:06:58 +0000 chdot 32104@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>'Finished' - wonder how long it will take Scottish Power to connect the crossing.<br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/5755478704/"><br /> <img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3586/5755478704_25a36ced8d.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-28943 Sat, 09 Apr 2011 09:21:43 +0000 gembo 28943@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The Chancelot path always had the professional dog walkers with half a dozen mutts. Wonder where they will use a s dog loos when it is paved (also very prone to flooding). Assuming I have the right 5-ways</p> <p>Big diff between Bruntsfield Links pitch n putt and Royal Edinburgh Golf Club (or whatever it is called), Bruntsfield (over by Barnton I believe) the difference is much more than geographical that is for sure, tho the guy with the big bag of Big Berthas could still have chipped around Marchmont whereas turning up at Bruntsfield/Barnton with just a pitching wedge and a putter would be frowned upon </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-28925 Fri, 08 Apr 2011 22:24:25 +0000 chdot 28925@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Some progress -<br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/5600783812/"><br /> <img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5107/5600783812_5f290a16b3.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-28877 Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:26:53 +0000 chdot 28877@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Don't people who talk about the Bruntsfield Club house mean the Golf tav?</p> <p>Dunno.</p> <p>Dunno.</p> <p><a href="http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/place?client=safari&amp;rls=en&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;redir_esc=&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;q=Bruntsfield+Golf+Club&amp;fb=1&amp;gl=uk&amp;hq=Bruntsfield+Golf+Club&amp;hnear=Edinburgh&amp;cid=16816559252423914255">This is where he wanted to be</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-28876 Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:24:34 +0000 DaveC 28876@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Don't people who talk about the Bruntsfield Club house mean the Golf tav?</p> <p>Don't people who talk about the Bruntsfield Club house mean the Golf tav?</p> <p>[repeated for chdot for continuity] ;) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-28871 Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:20:53 +0000 chdot 28871@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I reserve the right to more readily refer to the current locations of things called Chancelot Mills"</p> <p>Quite right.</p> <p>Edinburgh is full of 'misplaced places'.</p> <p>I was once in Bruntsfield and asked where Bruntsfield Golf Club was - he didn't mean The Links! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-28869 Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:16:09 +0000 DaveC 28869@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Cheers, I have rode it years ago, but now tend to cut down to Tesco on my way to work. The only path I haven't taken it the one north to... err suppose I'll have to take it now to see where it goes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-28868 Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:14:51 +0000 wingpig 28868@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was editing to say it was near some roads with Chancelot in their names until I saw someone had got their first with a maplink. I reserve the right to more readily refer to the current locations of things called Chancelot Mills rather than versions thereof which were demolished four or five years before my birth. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-28866 Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:10:12 +0000 chdot 28866@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"isn't anywhere near Chancelot Mills"</p> <p>Ah well....</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_B/0_buildings_-_chancelot_mill_bonnington_jd_bm_1971_+_tree.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_B/0_buildings_-_chancelot_mill_bonnington_jd_bm_1971_+_tree.htm</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_B/0_buildings_-_chancelot_mill_bonnington_jd_bm_1971_+_clock_tower.htm">This</a> was truly 'iconic'.</p> <p>Though I would have said it was 1972. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-28865 Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:07:32 +0000 wingpig 28865@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><code>[EDITED]</code>I have nothing to add.<code>[/EDITED]</code></p> <p><code>[ORIGINALLY(ROUGHLY)]</code>It's the gravelly path leading from Five Ways Junction (whence paths also lead south to Canonmills Tesco, west to Crewe Toll, north through the tunnel to Granton and east along to Newhaven) which goes diagonally south-east to join up with the WoL path and which isn't anywhere near Chancelot Mills. <code>[/ORIGINALLY(ROUGHLY)]</code> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-28864 Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:07:18 +0000 spytefear 28864@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>ah yes one of the 5 ways juntion routes I never used </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-28862 Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:05:02 +0000 chdot 28862@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://edinburgh.cyclestreets.net/journey/602431" rel="nofollow">http://edinburgh.cyclestreets.net/journey/602431</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589&page=2#post-28861 Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:02:33 +0000 DaveC 28861@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Can someone tell me where Chancelot path goes to and from please? </p>