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CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Another Edinburgh map! http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Another Edinburgh map! en Thu, 21 May 2026 09:48:24 +0000 chdot on "Another Edinburgh map!" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3076#post-32559 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 12:53:51 +0000 chdot 32559@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "But it might thoroughly confuse an old railwayman on his first trip down there in 40 years!" He'll have to take a <a href="http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=19510">route familiarisation</a> refresher course. kaputnik on "Another Edinburgh map!" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3076#post-32557 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 12:46:36 +0000 kaputnik 32557@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ But it might thoroughly confuse an old railwayman on his first trip down there in 40 years! chdot on "Another Edinburgh map!" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3076#post-32553 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 12:25:57 +0000 chdot 32553@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "it was never actually a 5 way junction" Er no, but it is NOW! When I said "5 Ways is fairly unique in its descriptive obviousness" I also meant 'on an Edinburgh cycle route'. kaputnik on "Another Edinburgh map!" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3076#post-32551 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 12:19:25 +0000 kaputnik 32551@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ 5 Ways is fairly unique in its descriptive obviousness Although as the Clearing House junction diagram you link to shows, it was never actually a 5 way junction, rather an overpass of the Caledonian Railway's North Leith Line across the North British Trinity Junction of the Edinburgh, Leith & Newhaven. The Clearing House junction diagrams - unlike Harry Beck's Tube map - are designed to show space and distance between junctions and stations correctly. But of course then get very complicated, as the area around Dalry and Haymarket on that one shows. chdot on "Another Edinburgh map!" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3076#post-32549 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 12:06:21 +0000 chdot 32549@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Talking of benches! By coincidence I've just read this - " TOP SCOTS APPRENTICE STONEMASONS TO CARVE OUT VICTORY AT ELGIN CATHEDRAL THIS WEEKEND Over the weekend the three teams will be tasked with hewing and building a stone bench using sandstone quarried in Scotland. Three independent judges from the stonemasonry Industry will allocate marks against industry standards on completion of the benches. " Including two apprentice stonemasons from Telford College! chdot on "Another Edinburgh map!" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3076#post-32548 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:52:37 +0000 chdot 32548@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "the '5 ways' etc designations on the spokes map were very useful for working out where we were in real life and on the map." 5 Ways (<a href="http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=5+Ways+Trinity+Edinburgh&aq=&sll=55.974352,-3.202313&sspn=0.000758,0.002229&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Edinburgh,+City+of+Edinburgh,+United+Kingdom&ll=55.974182,-3.202249&spn=0.000379,0.001114&t=h&z=20">map</a>) is fairly unique in its descriptive obviousness, but I certainly think it should be 'marked' in some way (UPDATE - <a href="http://edinburgh.cyclestreets.net/journey/776191/">CycleStreets calls it Five Ways</a>, which is probably better.) Sustrans has done most of <a href="http://www.sustrans.org.uk/what-we-do/art-and-the-travelling-landscape">its artworks</a> away from Edinburgh. I always think that NEPN (etc.) needs more 'destinations' and <a href="http://www.sustrans.org.uk/what-we-do/art-and-the-travelling-landscape/selected-artwork/sustrans-seats-and-benches">benches</a>. I suspect most people on here see the the paths as pleasant commute/leisure routes, but for young children even a mile or two is an adventure. Some people would also be encouraged to walk the paths more if there were suitable places to sit occasionally. Perhaps when the 5th 'leg' is finally tarmaced (<a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2589#post-27660">soon</a>) some further thought can be given to improving this 'iconic' meeting place. All the paths used to be railways. The two from the south joined up before going into the tunnel. The east-west route crossed on a bridge. <a href="http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_edin_t/0_edinburgh_transport_railways_dy_warriston_level_crossing_looking_west.htm">THIS</a> is what the junction of the rough path used to be like at the other end (before continuing to the line that is still in use at Powderhall - left in photo). <a href="http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/1_edin_t_map/1_edinburgh_transport_maps_-_0_railways_1928_1536.htm#picture">1928 Edinburgh railways map</a>. chdot on "Another Edinburgh map!" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3076#post-32547 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:52:02 +0000 chdot 32547@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "maybe all the 'big' intersections"... <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/5781484399/in/photostream"> <img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5189/5781484399_ff69248949.jpg"></a> SRD on "Another Edinburgh map!" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3076#post-32546 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:32:47 +0000 SRD 32546@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ And then use it to try and show spatial relationships, which it was never intended to do The beauty of the original is that it didn't show distance, but it did show junctions. the problem with the 'innertube' map, is that while it shows junctions (access points), but they are not always visible on the ground. maybe all the 'big' intersections could be names/painted on the pavement. eg 'turn here for slateford station/asda chesser'. this is viewforth bridge, exit here for fountainbridge'. When exploring the NEPN a few weeks ago, the '5 ways' etc designations on the spokes map were very useful for working out where we were in real life and on the map. cb on "Another Edinburgh map!" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3076#post-32545 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:28:30 +0000 cb 32545@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "I don't think I've got 100 per cent of the pubs in Edinburgh on there" You're damn skippy you don't. "The clear design and layout of the streets will make it easy for people to navigate their way around the streets." In your dreams. kaputnik on "Another Edinburgh map!" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3076#post-32544 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:25:45 +0000 kaputnik 32544@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Of course people use the format because it looks nice and is "a design classic". And then use it to try and show spatial relationships, which it was never intended to do... (and as SRD points out, it doesn't do very well) chdot on "Another Edinburgh map!" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3076#post-32543 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:24:15 +0000 chdot 32543@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Surely any map involving pubs shouldn't have straight lines(?) chdot on "Another Edinburgh map!" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3076#post-32542 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:23:31 +0000 chdot 32542@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @SRD What are these names you talk of? SRD on "Another Edinburgh map!" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3076#post-32541 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:20:32 +0000 SRD 32541@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ It still exposes the weakness of the format though -- making eg Cloisters and Doctor's appear far apart, also putting Polwarth tavern closer to Kilted Pig than to Golden Rule. kaputnik on "Another Edinburgh map!" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3076#post-32540 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:16:57 +0000 kaputnik 32540@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Now THIS is useful :) chdot on "Another Edinburgh map!" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3076#post-32537 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:11:35 +0000 chdot 32537@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <a href="http://editorial.jpress.co.uk/6777763/Pub%20Stops.pdf"><img src="http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/getEdFrontImage.aspx?ImageID=477906"> </a> "Tube style chart features over 400 city watering holes" <a href="http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Tube-style-chart-features-over.6777763.jp" rel="nofollow">http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Tube-style-chart-features-over.6777763.jp</a>