http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Campaigners correct City data en Mon, 18 May 2026 04:53:18 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3249#post-34146 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:02:41 +0000 tarmac jockey 34146@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"We had a regular crew for the early trains, including one guy who cycled in from Fordell in Fife on a 3-speed step through with a basket, in his kilt. (he got pulled in one morning - 35mph along Queensferry Road in 30mph limit)"<br /> Tulyar - I would pay money to see the guy from Fordell do his best at the Meadowbank Velodrome. That would be a site well worth uploading to youtube. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3249#post-34129 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:11:18 +0000 Tulyar 34129@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Maybe we need a few more consultants or specialists working with the main players who actually understand cycling ;-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3249#post-34126 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:57:29 +0000 Tulyar 34126@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This rolls back almost 2 decades to the times that Spokes did comparative counts at Tollcross and other locations, generally finding that cyclists counted around twice as many cycles as general surveyors. the resaon being that cyclists will spot cycles hidden behind larger vehicles, or using a 'safe' route which is not on the traffic survey tick box matrix.</p> <p>It is reinforced by results from automated counters - typically on the A6 in to Manchester. A 10 hour manual traffic count. 08.00-18.00 completely missed the peak time for cycling which occurred before the main surge in motorised traffic for various reasons (people are passing earlier to beat the traffic/it takes slightly longer to cycle/more cyclists are riding earlier because they have no viable bus or rail service to getting to work for an early shift).</p> <p>When I lived in Edinburgh and needed to be on site in Greenock for 08.00 I used to catch the 04.50 train to Glasgow. I saw plenty of people cycling but substantially fewer cars and buses, making the % of cyclists in the traffic mix very impressive at 04.45! We had a regular crew for the early trains, including one guy who cycled in from Fordell in Fife on a 3-speed step through with a basket, in his kilt. (he got pulled in one morning - 35mph along Queensferry Road in 30mph limit) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3249#post-34119 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:52:11 +0000 Arellcat 34119@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What Dave Meslin didn't seem to explain was whether his traffic surveys counted number of vehicles or number of people. Lots of solo cyclists amongst single occupancy cars would improve the cycling stats; more multiple occupancy cars would worsen the cycling stats. I'm presuming it was a vehicle count.</p> <p>I love that term, <em>simplified averaging</em>. But perhaps the consultant was using some sort of data normalisation in the analysis to take account of the single-multiple occupancy aspect. Who knows? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3249#post-34113 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:19:39 +0000 tarmac jockey 34113@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>chdot - here is the press article from the Daily Star in Toronto. It does make you wonder how accurate consultants reports are.</p> <p><a href="http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1012843--city-to-replace-misleading-cycling-data" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1012843--city-to-replace-misleading-cycling-data</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3249#post-34092 Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:03:27 +0000 chdot 34092@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><img src="http://meslin.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/comparison2.jpg"></p> <p>"<br /> “On the City’s behalf, I’d like to thank you for the effort that you have put in to supplementing our counts with new material gathered in the past weeks…..We agree it was inappropriate and incorrect to have used the 2% figure for weekday peak hours.”  <br /> "</p> <p><a href="http://meslin.wordpress.com/2011/06/22/simplified-fabrication/" rel="nofollow">http://meslin.wordpress.com/2011/06/22/simplified-fabrication/</a> </p>