http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Missoni Lane (Again) en Tue, 09 Jun 2026 15:07:01 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-79545 Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:27:31 +0000 kaputnik 79545@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Just get hold of some cheap cones,</em> </p> <p>There's plenty hanging around the Broomhouse Path. Quite often across it! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-79541 Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:10:55 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 79541@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just get hold of some cheap cones, and put them down while wearing a hi-viz vest... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-79536 Thu, 26 Jul 2012 12:34:02 +0000 Dave 79536@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I did get a grovelling apology from Lothian Buses regarding the driver who wanted me to vacate the cycle lane so he could drive through it (quite out of proportion with the complaint I made, actually), but I bet 99.99% of buses still cut up against the kerb on their way through.</p> <p>No doubt physically protecting the lane would be considered a crime against motoring? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-79530 Thu, 26 Jul 2012 12:07:32 +0000 kaputnik 79530@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think the "big society bike lane" is the way forward. See an obstruction? Move it yourself. Bushes / trees encroaching? Carry some pruners with you. Glass? Get a brush.</p> <p>Not that this is an excuse for the cooncil not to provide adequate infrastructure and maintain it in an appropriate state of repair, it's just quicker and easier to do it yourself sometimes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-79522 Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:41:59 +0000 holisticglint 79522@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>See the problem here is we are waiting for Big Government to sort this out. According to the PM Big Society is what we need to fix this particular social ill... Of course this will need to be augmented with <a href="http://www.marshalls.co.uk/select/kerb/high-containment/titan-kerb">big kerb stones</a><br /> , <a href="http://www.diy.com/nav/build/building-materials/cement-and-cement-mixers/Lafarge-Extra-Rapid-Cement-5Kg-Tub-11937522">quick drying cement</a> and a few hours hard graft in the early hours.... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-79514 Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:01:19 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 79514@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>One year ago, from above:</p> <p>"<em>The Council is aware of the ongoing issues with this cycle lane and some further measures to improve it are planned as part of the Quality Bike Corridor (QBIC) project. This is expected to include realignment of the kerb to provide a shallower angle where the road widens on the approach to the High Street junction and the use of red coloured surfacing past the loading bay. The QBIC is currently programmed to be completed by early Summer 2012 and the operation of the cycle lane at the Missoni Hotel will be reviewed once the changes have been implemented</em>"</p> <p>This morning:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpuddinonnabike/7649187680/"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7129/7649187680_91e17a43e1.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpuddinonnabike/7649187680/">Missoni cycle lane</a> by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/blackpuddinonnabike/">blackpuddinonnabike</a>, on Flickr </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-36184 Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:31:41 +0000 cb 36184@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Summer 2012?!?!?"</p> <p>I know, can't believe it will be as soon as that either, ;) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-36164 Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:01:16 +0000 kaputnik 36164@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Edinburgh's contribution to the Olympics? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-36163 Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:53:14 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 36163@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Summer 2012?!?!? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-36162 Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:52:25 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 36162@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Dear Mr Robson</p> <p>I am writing on behalf of Councillor Joanna Mowat who has how received a response with regard to your query about the cycle lane at the Missoni Hotel.</p> <p>The Council is aware of the ongoing issues with this cycle lane and some further measures to improve it are planned as part of the Quality Bike Corridor (QBIC) project. This is expected to include realignment of the kerb to provide a shallower angle where the road widens on the approach to the High Street junction and the use of red coloured surfacing past the loading bay. The QBIC is currently programmed to be completed by early Summer 2012 and the operation of the cycle lane at the Missoni Hotel will be reviewed once the changes have been implemented.</p> <p>I hope this information is helpful to you but please do not hesitate to get back in touch should you require any further information on this, or any other matter.</p> <p>Kind regards." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-35546 Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:35:42 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 35546@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Funnily enough that's what the guy on the Brompton who stopped said to me - I was considering this option as well. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-35542 Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:27:22 +0000 Dave 35542@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I have thought about tackling Lothian buses direct on this, as even if the buses alone stayed out of the lane, it might make a dramatic difference. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-35541 Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:11:01 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 35541@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Response from Charles Dundas:</p> <p><em>Thank you Anthony,</p> <p>I remember the creation of the taxi bay well. I have asked the Transport Department what action they can take to tackle the ensuing problems.</p> <p>Charles</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-35528 Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:53:35 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 35528@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sent to the City Centre Councillors:</p> <p>Hi folks</p> <p>I am writing to you as the Councillors for the area of the city within which the above-mentioned cycling 'facility' is located, and actually I notice you both have your surgeries in the Central Library, so you'll be very aware of the location.</p> <p>When the Missoni Hotel was being built the pavement was widened. Not, it appears, for the benefit of pedestrians, but rather to act as a 'loading bay' (i.e. for taxis to pick up and drop people off - I have to admit to having used taxis from that precise spot myself after drinks in the Missoni or eating in Ondine, but I digress). It was pleasing to note that the cycle lane was retained around this bay, but it quickly became clear that because it was now sticking further out into the lane motorists would simply drive into the lane, and because of the proximity to a set of traffic lights motorised traffic would find itself marooned within the cycle lane.</p> <p>Now it's a dashed line lane, therefore not 'mandatory', but again moves to make matters easier were appreciated when the motorised lanes were reduced to a solitary number until just before the traffic lights. It made sense as not much traffic turns right to head down the High Street. Sadly this has had no effect on the encroachment into the cycle lane whatsoever, as demonstrated in this video clip: <em>Video Link</em></p> <p>Of course what is also clear from the clip is that motorists are entirely capable of staying out of the lane if there is already a cyclist within it, but once stationery, as the last picture shows, it becomes something of a trial for those of us on two wheels. One cyclist passing as I filmed felt compelled to stop after the junction, turn round, and come to chat with me about the potential 'death trap'. I'm not entirely sure what could be done about this situation - I hate to profess to any degree of perfection, but when I'm driving I somehow manage to avoid straying into this lane even when it is empty. Perhaps that is down to me also being a cyclist, but I like to think it has something to do with common sense and decency as well. </p> <p>One very small measure which may help would be to extend the red-coloured area past the build-out of the pavement which would at least make the lane more visible. As the facility stands I am reminded of the promises of many in the Council that they want Edinburgh to be a 'Model Cycling City'. Clearly those who dole out these promises have either never been to Copenhagen, or they have a particularly wicked sense of humour.</p> <p>Many thanks for your time, and if either of you ever wish to see the lane firsthand at rush hour I am only too willing to take some time from my commute to stand and watch traffic pass by of a morning (when your day is spent sitting at a desk drafting and reviewing legal documents you take excitement out of anything you can in life).</p> <p>Regards<br /> Anthony </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-35338 Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:05:33 +0000 kaputnik 35338@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And just around the corner...<br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/kaputniq/5922963358/"><img src="http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6145/5922963358_db5027904e.jpg"></a></p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/kaputniq/5922402243/"><img src="http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6010/5922402243_21ff0fa112.jpg"></a></p> <p>Single yellows in cycle lanes = not good enough. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-35199 Fri, 08 Jul 2011 12:32:37 +0000 PS 35199@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>To refer back to one of chdot's threads from a few weeks ago, it seems to me that the cars are following a desire line. </p> <p>This is a pretty common issue where pavements have been extended into the road. The drivers are in the wrong, but it's entirely foreseeable that the design of the road would lead to this... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-35172 Fri, 08 Jul 2011 09:24:23 +0000 kaputnik 35172@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Easier to negotiate by bike might be a rumble-strip. Or, they could actually extend the red tarmac by 5 more metres so that it extends past the projecting pavement for the bay. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-35165 Fri, 08 Jul 2011 06:20:21 +0000 Smudge 35165@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Easy fix, put a raised kerb at the outside of the cycle lane....! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-35158 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:43:28 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 35158@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The video finally!</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yaA2GHE2uU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yaA2GHE2uU</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-34842 Mon, 04 Jul 2011 12:16:37 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 34842@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>those discrete sunglasses?</em></p> <p>Hah! I was a bit more obviously using my phone (though it does mean the sunglasses will have been filming it as well). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-34841 Mon, 04 Jul 2011 12:06:47 +0000 SRD 34841@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>A chap on a Brommie saw my filming </em></p> <p>those discrete sunglasses? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-34831 Mon, 04 Jul 2011 10:31:34 +0000 chdot 34831@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"turn head through 90 degrees, like anths must have been when he was filming"</p> <p>He prefers standing on his head - that way people don't notice that he is taking photos... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-34829 Mon, 04 Jul 2011 10:27:51 +0000 kaputnik 34829@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Use ALT-Gr and arrow keys to rotate the screen direction? Alternativel turn head through 90 degrees, like anths must have been when he was filming :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-34828 Mon, 04 Jul 2011 10:26:24 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 34828@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ah, may look at the Flickr option at lunchtime (have to do it all on the phone - Flickr and YouTube blocked here). I must have started recording too quickly before the phone realised I'd rotated. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-34827 Mon, 04 Jul 2011 10:15:55 +0000 chdot 34827@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Think Flickr lets you rotate video. 90 second limit(?) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-34826 Mon, 04 Jul 2011 10:04:20 +0000 DaveC 34826@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh no not side ways filming. We received a gift of a sideways film but the free software I found on the web just spreads the two outside lines of pixels out to maintain the aspect ratio so the outside two quarters changes with the scene which kind of distracts from the film.... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3344#post-34820 Mon, 04 Jul 2011 09:04:04 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 34820@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was checking out the National Library today (for a continuation of the Art Deco project - going back tonight when the sun will be on it) and so came into contact, once more, with the fabulously awful Missoni Hotel cycle lane.</p> <p>Noting the changes to the car lanes, i.e. there is only one lane, just splitting into two at the very end at the lights, I wondered if this meant drivers would stay out of the lane. Ah, such naive thought...</p> <p>Cars, buses, lorries, all using the bike lane at the Missoni build-out. They would drive through it, even if a cyclist was in the lane, following closely behind. The thing is, if the lights were green and there was a cyclist in the lane they would prove they're capable of sticking to the correct side of the dashed line.</p> <p>A chap on a Brommie saw my filming and came over to chat. He's got loads of photos of it and is planning on complaining to the Council, as well as gently nudging Lothian Buses about their drivers edging into the lane.</p> <p>Pics and video to follow (video uploading to YouTube just now, but appears to be 'on its side', so seeing if YouTube has any editing function to fix that - if not there MUST be an app for that! </p>