http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Transport, Infrastructure and Environment Committee en Thu, 09 Apr 2026 03:30:09 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-84824 Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:14:08 +0000 crowriver 84824@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Greenroofer, yes they've rejected most of the proposed shortening of double yellows, however:</p> <p><em>3.32 In view of this it cannot be considered that a reduction in the length of the majority of these restrictions would best serve the interests of road safety. However, in view of the strength of opinion from local residents and as a result of consultation with elected members representing this area, it is accepted that there is potential to adopt a compromise position, where additional overnight parking is created by the replacement of part of the double yellow lines with single yellow lines at selected junctions.<br /> 3.33 This compromise would see the double yellow lines reduced from 10m to 6m at the junctions of Craiglea Drive with St Clair terrace, St Ninian’s Terrace and St Fillan’s Terrace, and lengths of single yellow lines (operating between 08:00 and 18:00 hours Monday to Friday) introduced in their place. This would allow vehicles to be parked overnight in these areas but would prevent parking during those times when schoolchildren would be most likely to be present.</em></p> <p>As 'we' all know, many drivers ignore single yellows routinely. So unless the parking attendants are out in force on weekdays I'd expect inconsiderate (ie. potentially dangerous) parking to increase at the 'compromise'(d) junctions.</p> <p><em>"The Council’s first responsibility is to ensure the safety of all road users and providing parking spaces must be a secondary consideration."</em></p> <p>Well if they really believed that, why oh why are there car parking spaces on the 'Quality Bike Corridor'? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-84822 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 22:26:30 +0000 Greenroofer 84822@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@crowriver: I think that the Double Yellow Lines in South Morningside should go in the plus box :-)</p> <p>Reading the report (with a vested interest as a resident of one of the streets in scope!) it sounds like the Council had reacted to 500+ 'standardised comments' in their consultation about parking and wanted the lines removed or shortened, and the council officials have had a look at the situation and suggested that things be left as they are (more or less).</p> <p>The phrase from the report that I found most interesting was this: "The Council’s first responsibility is to ensure the safety of all road users and <em>providing parking spaces must be a secondary consideration</em>." (my italics)</p> <p>So the residents of this area (people who are used to getting things their own way, I would suggest) are being politely told they will have to manage without the extra spaces. As a car owner and someone who walks two children to school through the area, I am glad to hear it!</p> <p>How do we tell if the proposal was accepted? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-84818 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:55:34 +0000 crowriver 84818@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well, looks like a cracker of a meeting.</p> <p>Pluses:<br /> Item No 6.4 - Cycling in the City - 5% Transport Spend Commitment and the Delivery of the Active Travel Action Plan (Reports, PDF, 500.24 KB)<br /> IItem No 7 - The Sir Chris Hoy Cycle Network - A Golden Legacy for Edinburgh (Reports, PDF, 455.29 KB)<br /> Item No 14 - InterCity East Coast Franchise Consultation (Reports, PDF, 471.93 KB)<br /> Item No 22 - The Shore - Introduction of a Contraflow Bus Lane, Parking Restrictions and Prohibited Traffic Movements (Reports, PDF, 964.19 KB)</p> <p>On the other hand:<br /> Item No 6.5 - Bus Lane Camera Enforcement Review (Reports, PDF, 586.67 KB)<br /> Item No 17 - Parking in Central Edinburgh During Summer and Winter Festivals (Reports, PDF, 557.66 KB)<br /> Item No 18 - Double Yellow Lines in South Morningside (Reports, PDF, 549.59 KB)<br /> Item No 21 - Priority Parking Area B1 - Proposed Amendments (Reports, PDF, 1.14 MB) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-84807 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:03:30 +0000 Kirst 84807@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>More <a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2778/transport_infrastructure_and_environment_committee" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2778/transport_infrastructure_and_environment_committee</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-77207 Fri, 06 Jul 2012 15:41:34 +0000 crowriver 77207@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Dave, good spot! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-77183 Fri, 06 Jul 2012 13:13:31 +0000 Dave 77183@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"To note that Council agreed at the time of the last Budget 2011/12 that the 5% of the transport budget spend on cycling would increase by 1% each year to 2016/17. The review of how funds were to be spent on cycling should therefore take into account this annual increment." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-77163 Fri, 06 Jul 2012 12:06:09 +0000 Kirst 77163@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2718/transport_infrastructure_and_environment_committee" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2718/transport_infrastructure_and_environment_committee</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-74159 Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:56:30 +0000 kaputnik 74159@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Other semi-relevant bits;</p> <p>Removal of pedestrian guard rails to be piloted now they have worked out how best to risk assess it.</p> <p><em>A pilot has been performed in which Council officers trialled the use of the PGR Assessment Form in Leith and the City Centre at the following locations:<br /> Forrest Road/Teviot Place junction,<br /> Easter Road/Duke Street junction,<br /> Leith Street, between Calton Road and Waterloo Place.</em></p> <p>And there's a list of sites where they MIGHT built a pedestrian crossing because they passed the entrance exams. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-74155 Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:37:22 +0000 chdot 74155@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Only one mentioning cycling in the title -</p> <p>"<br /> B924 Bo'ness Road/Hopetoun Road - Commencement of Statutory Procedures to Permit Use of Footways by Cyclists</p> <p>"<br /> <a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/35644/item_14-b924_bonesshopetoun_road-commencement_of_statutory_procedures_to_permit_use_of_footways_by_cyclists" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/35644/item_14-b924_bonesshopetoun_road-commencement_of_statutory_procedures_to_permit_use_of_footways_by_cyclists</a></p> <p>To do with new Forth bridge. </p> <p>More parking restrictions and pedestrian crossings - and much more! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-74053 Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:50:28 +0000 Kirst 74053@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting stuff in the current lot of paperwork <a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2718/transport_infrastructure_and_environment_committee" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2718/transport_infrastructure_and_environment_committee</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-56989 Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:38:12 +0000 chdot 56989@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>ENews just caught up -</p> <p>"<br /> The 10 bus lane hotspots to be cameras’ focus</p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/transport/the_10_bus_lane_hotspots_to_be_cameras_focus_1_2120735" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/transport/the_10_bus_lane_hotspots_to_be_cameras_focus_1_2120735</a></p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-56873 Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:54:41 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 56873@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Going to have to ride the route tonight to read the restriction sign (not clear on GoogleMaps, there's a single yellow line) but "<em>IME parked cars in bus lanes are pretty rare</em>" doesn't mean it doesn't happen - definitely <em>is</em> a bus lane and definitely <em>is</em> parked in during operational hours.</p> <p>Actually the closer that gets to Jock's Lodge the bus lane disappears, and so everyone has to drive in the right hand lane because of parked cars (99 times out of 100 on that route) so most people will already be on the right and away from the bus lane anyway knowing what's coming.</p> <p>Lothian Road bus lanes quite often have people parked for loading/unloading as well. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-56868 Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:12:45 +0000 cb 56868@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If there are parked cars then it sounds like it's not a bus lane (i.e. outside operating hours).</p> <p>IME parked cars in bus lanes are pretty rare. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-56860 Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:09:27 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 56860@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There are signs up and ready at the last in the list there saying 'Bus Lane Cameras Operational' or some such similar. Spray painted cross over them just now, but clearly in anticipation of going live.</p> <p>Do they detect parked cars then? At that particular site that's the main problem - you simply <em>can't</em> drive in the bus lane because of the number of parked cars! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-56859 Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:06:19 +0000 crowriver 56859@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>According to the same document:</p> <p>Appendix - Bus lane camera enforcement sites.<br /> Location<br /> Direction<br /> 1<br /> A71 at Calder Junction<br /> Inbound<br /> 2<br /> Calder Road before Bankhead Avenue<br /> Outbound<br /> 3<br /> Leith Street<br /> Inbound<br /> 4<br /> London Rd at Jocks Lodge<br /> Outbound<br /> 5<br /> North Bridge<br /> Outbound<br /> 6<br /> Old Dalkeith Road at Cameron Toll<br /> Inbound<br /> 7<br /> Prestonfield<br /> Bus gate<br /> 8<br /> The Jewel<br /> Bus gate<br /> 9<br /> Willowbrae Rd (Duddingston crossroads)<br /> Outbound<br /> 10<br /> Willowbrae Road at Jocks Lodge<br /> Inbound</p> <p>So, no joy for Leith Walk I'm afraid, Leith Street is the nearest camera. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-56842 Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:26:48 +0000 Dave 56842@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Will they be able to use traffic wardens to enforce bus lane use up Leith Walk / Leith St then? For instance, there are ALWAYS delivery minis obstructing the bus lane on Leith Walk and ALWAYS cars parked in it on Leith St.</p> <p>Honestly, I could hold down a part-time job as a traffic warden just by spraying out tickets on my commute... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-56831 Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:44:51 +0000 crowriver 56831@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting snippet:</p> <p>"6 It is recommended that the level of fine for civil infringement of bus lanes should be set at £60, which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days in accordance with the legislation.<br /> 93521_Bus Lane Camera Enforcement.doc<br /> 7 The recommended level of fine is in line with guidance received from the Scottish Government and is consistent with the parking ticket charge for on street parking contraventions. The current charge for a criminalised bus lane offence issued by the Police (who are unable to offer any discount for early payment) is £30."</p> <p>From: <a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/34914/item_21-bus_lane_camera_enforcement-charging_level_for_civil_bus_lane_infringements" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/34914/item_21-bus_lane_camera_enforcement-charging_level_for_civil_bus_lane_infringements</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-56807 Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:03:19 +0000 Kirst 56807@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>More papers published today <a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2648/transport_infrastructure_and_environment_committee" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2648/transport_infrastructure_and_environment_committee</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-54756 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:31:12 +0000 chdot 54756@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'll be more interested in the answer to question 10. </p> <p>Don't think there is any prospect of any sort of new one. </p> <p>I'm sure everyone is hoping it won't become so 'not fit for purpose that it has to shut, but... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-54755 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:10:44 +0000 ruggtomcat 54755@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I am probably free but don't do very well at meetings... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-54754 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:10:15 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 54754@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>QUESTION NO 8<br /> By Councillor Johnstone for answer by the Convener of the Transport Infrastructure and Environment Committee at a meeting of the Council on 2 February 2012<br /> Question<br /> What action is being taken to make cycling in Edinburgh safer?</em>"</p> <p>"<em>QUESTION NO 10<br /> By Councillor Johnstone for answer by the Convener of the Culture and Leisure Committee at a meeting of the Council on 2 February 2012<br /> Question<br /> What action is the Convener taking to ensure a long-term future for track cycling in Edinburgh given the issues surrounding the condition of the Velodrome?</em>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-54753 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:07:38 +0000 SRD 54753@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You could time how long it takes from the introduction of item 4.8 until someone mentions pavement cycling, RLJs, etc </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-54752 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:05:04 +0000 Kirst 54752@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Look, <a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2642/city_of_edinburgh_council" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2642/city_of_edinburgh_council</a> two questions next week about cycling in Edinburgh. Can anyone go to the meeting? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-39235 Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:52:18 +0000 Kirst 39235@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This link was sent to me while I was on annual leave and I've just got around to opening the email</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2478/transport_infrastructure_and_environment_committee" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2478/transport_infrastructure_and_environment_committee</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-37037 Wed, 03 Aug 2011 09:37:00 +0000 Kirst 37037@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And there's more <a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2478/transport_infrastructure_and_environment_committee" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2478/transport_infrastructure_and_environment_committee</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-36583 Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:56:21 +0000 Dave 36583@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Wait, I found my submission after all - they abbreviated it which is why I missed it (and listed without the postcode which I also searched on). </p> <p>I've written a vexed email in the other topic. Well, and in my email client also. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-36579 Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:26:07 +0000 crowriver 36579@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Dave, I also replied to the consultation but as I live outside the area my response was presumably ignored. Why were the Duddingston residents' association taken seriously though I wonder? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-36573 Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:08:14 +0000 Nelly 36573@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"You might also be able to plot a nice road map with average speeds for different route sections "</p> <p>Or you could use the bus tracker app.</p> <p>Oh, I forgot, its not always accurate because of traffic in busy sections of road !! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483&page=2#post-36566 Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:45:24 +0000 Dave 36566@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm disappointed, but not surprised that this scheme has been neutered. It now means that with the exception of our own street, where it's hard even to achieve 20mph due to the number of double-parked cars, the entire 20mph zone will basically have no effect on any of my journeys.</p> <p>I am encouraged that the section of Ratcliffe Terrace will still be changed, but really it could have been so good...</p> <p>My response to the committee is also not included in the document. Do they not have a statutory responsibility to include all submissions?</p> <p>Would anyone else who wrote in care to confirm this by checking the PDF (<a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/32958/item_23-south_edinburgh_20mph_limit_pilot-response_to_traffic_regulation_order_consultation)" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/32958/item_23-south_edinburgh_20mph_limit_pilot-response_to_traffic_regulation_order_consultation)</a>, as I think I'd like to complain... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3483#post-36559 Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:56:26 +0000 kaputnik 36559@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Best way would be to buy a day ticket and sit on the bus with a GPS, several times up and down the road.</em></p> <p>You could also work out the timetabled average speeds by selecting a few bus stops along the route and working out the distances between them, then factoring in how long it's "meant" to take to get between them.</p> <p>You might also be able to plot a nice road map with average speeds for different route sections - e.g. average speed down Princes Street 2mph but West Approach Road 30mph. </p>