http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: The Psychology of 'Feeling Responsible' en Mon, 18 May 2026 23:41:09 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=3#post-53947 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:36:50 +0000 PS 53947@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Good stuff.</p> <p>As with anything, a bit of empathy and consideration will go along way, which is why I reckon it's always a good idea to thank peds for controlling their dog or standing to one side to let you cycle past, or to thank drivers for considerate driving. </p> <p>Like the man said, "Can't we all just get along?" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=3#post-53922 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:57:48 +0000 Uberuce 53922@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>*ruefully hands in his nerd piece and shield* </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=3#post-53917 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:46:55 +0000 SRD 53917@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>also bakkie = south african slang for a pickup truck (as in what you make your workers ride around in the back of..) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=3#post-53915 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:42:52 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 53915@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And Bachi are Taiko drum sticks... I have a pair, being a Japanese drummer and evryfink. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=3#post-53912 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:32:20 +0000 Instography 53912@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Baccy is more acceptable to Google and Apple's system-wide dictionary. I've been trying to find a Broons reference to baccie but the more I look at the word, the more wrong it appears. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=3#post-53911 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:28:18 +0000 kaputnik 53911@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The Big Cycling Society </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=3#post-53910 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:27:27 +0000 wingpig 53910@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A Wookie, Uberuce? I assume you mean a Wookiee.<br /> There's probably not much call for a plural version of the singular Bacchus unless you were generically referring to Bacchus and Dionysus together (and any other god-of-inebriation from one of those other religions they have these days). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=3#post-53907 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:22:32 +0000 SRD 53907@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Now, _there's_ an image just waiting to be drawn... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=3#post-53906 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:21:33 +0000 Uberuce 53906@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@wingpig: Chewbacci, the act of giving Wookies a lift on your bike? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=3#post-53905 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:21:33 +0000 SRD 53905@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I thought uberuce's idea definitely fit the 'we're all in it together' theme.... (ick) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=3#post-53904 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:20:13 +0000 Uberuce 53904@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Anth/Kap: I was thinking in terms of <em>Responsible Drivers'n'Cyclists Vs Rubbish Drivers'n'Cyclists</em> rather than <em>Cyclists Vs Drivers</em>, but less of the <em>Vs</em> business overall would be better yet, true. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=3#post-53902 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:19:10 +0000 wingpig 53902@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Most probably backie for bike. I'd've thought baccy for tobacco.<br /> Bacchi for wine-related things? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=3#post-53899 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:12:56 +0000 Instography 53899@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It has to be either backy or backie because baccie is tobacco (in Scots) and bacci probably has some connection with lovers of fine wine. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=3#post-53893 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:50:42 +0000 cb 53893@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Also on the Corstorphine cycle path, this morning, I said "That's alright", to a woman who apologised for her do crossing the path on the end of a very long lead.</p> <p>I didn't offer to give her dog a backy* though.</p> <p>(*is that how you spell it? - looks odd) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=3#post-53892 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:45:49 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 53892@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>As kaputnik says I think the tone is aimed at being non-confrontational; avoiding barking orders (no matter how much we feel like doing it at times; he took my original path idea, which was very much in the DO/DO NOT (there is no try) tone, explained the reasons for softening it, and turned it into something beautiful).</p> <p>Bigger plans for these, and future designs, than just Edinburgh. So it'll probably be a week or so before these make their debut so that I have time to set-up the mini-site and 'order' section for others to join in... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=3#post-53873 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:03:30 +0000 Uberuce 53873@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If I may suggest a design with two NO panels and a YES; the first NO being a car over the ASL, the second being a cyclist jumping the red and the third being the cyclist happily waiting in the ASZ and the car waiting behind. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=3#post-53866 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:52:46 +0000 crowriver 53866@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Whoa. That's what I call <em>real</em> Citizen Cyclist activism! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=3#post-53865 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:16:09 +0000 Instography 53865@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Something similar but car-related to guerrilla-append to traffic lights would also be cool. I'd stump up a donation and time to get those made and distributed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=3#post-53863 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:02:23 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 53863@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My plan is to laminate them and attach them to lampposts (I might trial a few early early Sunday morning - as in about a 7am ride). From first idea, to design in half-a-day. Citycycling gets on the case quickly! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=3#post-53858 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:30:25 +0000 Instography 53858@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That dog looks a bit 'specific'. </p> <p>I do like that screen printed with hand written text thing you've got going there.</p> <p>Are you really going to distribute them around paths? Let me know if you want a hand. T'would be a fine thing to do. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=3#post-53856 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:25:16 +0000 kaputnik 53856@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Idea prompted by Anth.</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/kaputniq/6727780681/"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7156/6727780681_0d9ca05066.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/kaputniq/6727780681/">Let's Share</a> by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/kaputniq/">kaputniq</a>, on Flickr</p> <p>Feedback welcome. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=2#post-53754 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:44:35 +0000 wingpig 53754@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>They're not allowed to have a go at you going through there anymore now that there's <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3623">signage</a> creating the expectation of cyclists. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=2#post-53741 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:38:20 +0000 kaputnik 53741@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interestingly I was riding home last night through Roseburn Park and dug walker coming towards me apologised for their dog wandering around infront of me as I slowed right up to pass them. I said not to worry about it... But it was nice they didn't have a go at me or something. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=2#post-53732 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:24:47 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 53732@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>All road users stereotype each other...</em>"</p> <p>Very like the zebra crossings on George Street. People seem to have no qualms about stepping out to stop cars; but they get hesitant when a bike is approaching. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=2#post-53727 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:03:44 +0000 Roibeard 53727@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Instography "the problem is knowing"</p> <p>Exactly - heading north on Craigmillar Park in the <strike>bus</strike>large cycle lane, and a driver pulls out from one of the roads to my right.</p> <p>I feared he was going straight across (clearly no left indication, couldn't see a right indication) and so shouted to alert him to my presence.</p> <p>He swung neatly round the traffic island and joined me heading north in the right hand lane, looking most put out that I had felt the need to shout.</p> <p>Of course, I didn't know that he was heading north, nor that he was skilled enough to do so without drifting into my lane in the course of the turn (how many folk do we see swing left before turning right, or vice versa, without a long trailer to explain the manoeuvre?).</p> <p>All road users stereotype each other...</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=2#post-53726 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:00:10 +0000 wingpig 53726@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If we'd like motor vehicles to leave us a little bit of wobblespace for pothole-contingency course deviations it's only fair to give peds a little more room than the bare minimum predicated on their maintaining their current position or velocity. One needs only to have walked down a pavement to know how unexpectedly and quickly codgers can change course, often with a lateral speed well in excess of their mean forward speed. Even though I tend to find myself glowering at dogs before I know I'm doing it my braking and downshifting should be obvious enough for their owners to detect. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=2#post-53722 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:47:33 +0000 Morningsider 53722@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Insto - I'm with you on that one, as many years ago a car pulling out of a side street didn't stop and hit me. It really does hurt. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=2#post-53720 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:34:31 +0000 Min 53720@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>On the flip side I pass an old lady with two dugs on the Innocent most mornings and always say hello or thank you if she's moved her dugs or whatever. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=2#post-53719 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:33:01 +0000 Min 53719@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The other one with vehicles turning right (coming towards you) at a junction you are going straight through. A lot of the time they just drive straight at you. Presumably <em>they</em> know they are not going to hit me but <em>I</em> don't know. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3618&page=2#post-53718 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:23:46 +0000 Instography 53718@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sure, but the problem is knowing. I don't know whether or not they know what they're doing and I'm not about to be the guinea pig. Like, riding in along Corstorphine Road, loads of the cars approach the junctions with side streets quickly and almost always they stop on the line. I've never actually seen one go so far as to be dangerous but every time, I swing out to the middle of the road just in case, this time, this is the one that isn't stopping. </p>