http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "How can safety at advanced stop zones be improved for cyclists?" en Tue, 19 May 2026 21:30:00 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3726#post-279993 Wed, 11 Apr 2018 08:12:33 +0000 threefromleith 279993@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@bax And red now means that you can still drive through the lights for a good 3 or 4 second afterwards, so long as you keep very close to the rear bumper of the car who went through on amber or red in front of you. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3726#post-279983 Tue, 10 Apr 2018 21:31:34 +0000 minus six 279983@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"steady amber, then red. both mean stop of course"</p> <p>those were the days. amber means put yr foot down now </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3726#post-279979 Tue, 10 Apr 2018 20:58:16 +0000 unhurt 279979@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The booming voice at the end! I want a recording of that bit to play very loudly at ASL infringing drivers. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3726#post-279968 Tue, 10 Apr 2018 18:27:04 +0000 Frenchy 279968@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting to see the right turning drivers pass each other before turning in that video too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3726#post-279967 Tue, 10 Apr 2018 18:21:58 +0000 dessert rat 279967@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>i for one welcome our new Hand-from-the-Sky overlords </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3726#post-279965 Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:47:01 +0000 I were right about that saddle 279965@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Och Iain. Jeezo. Man. Really.</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOcNxVLdjrk" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOcNxVLdjrk</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3726#post-279964 Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:46:33 +0000 jdanielp 279964@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Budget technological option: cameras at junctions that can automatically issue fines and add points to the licenses of any offending parties. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3726#post-279963 Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:41:10 +0000 dessert rat 279963@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>has a single driver in Edinburgh ever been done for illeagally entering an ASZ ?</p> <p>I seem to recall as a child there was a TV advert about the yellow hatched box junctions and a large hand for the sky that came down and removed cars that stopped in them. A quick search on Youtube was fruitless, but I'm sure I didn't imagine it.</p> <p>I think we'd be as well starting a new religion based around the "Hand from the Sky" and praying for its appearance in Edinburgh - its as likely as any real enforcement. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3726#post-279961 Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:29:11 +0000 steveo 279961@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em> detecting when a vehicle has legally entered and stopped in the ASZ</em></p> <p>I think a technological solution would be too expensive, cheaper to change the law and prohibiting any entry to the box, crossing into it is treated as running the light as it would at a junction without an ASZ. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3726#post-279960 Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:20:39 +0000 mgj 279960@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not worth doing if there is no chance of the bollards damaging the car </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3726#post-279948 Tue, 10 Apr 2018 15:23:35 +0000 jdanielp 279948@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>At great expense, installation of automatic bollards at ASLs could prevent large vehicles from entering ASZs and from setting off at the same time as cyclists when lights turn green. The tricky aspects would be setting the speed at which the bollards rise when the lights change to red, mostly to reduce the chances of any cyclists crashing into them (although in an ideal world cyclists would be able to enter ASZs from unobstructed cycle lanes), and detecting when a vehicle has legally entered and stopped in the ASZ, and not raising the bollards underneath it as a result... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3726#post-279945 Tue, 10 Apr 2018 15:00:32 +0000 Morningsider 279945@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Drivers risk a fine of £100 and three penalty points if they enter an ASL when the lights are red."</p> <p>I suppose they do - roughly the same risk as being hit by a meteorite. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3726#post-279941 Tue, 10 Apr 2018 14:39:35 +0000 I were right about that saddle 279941@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Councillor Lesley Macinnes said: "We've worked extremely closely with Spokes and Sustrans to bring forward these improvements...</em></p> <p>It would be an improvement if we were safely segregated beside the cars, not perilously plonked in front of them.</p> <p>Who told the council ASZs were a good idea in the first place? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3726#post-279940 Tue, 10 Apr 2018 14:31:05 +0000 chdot 279940@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/news/article/2468/cycle_safety_boost_with_new_advanced_stop_line_boxes_along_tram_route" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/news/article/2468/cycle_safety_boost_with_new_advanced_stop_line_boxes_along_tram_route</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3726#post-39180 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:33:41 +0000 Instography 39180@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Wouldn't the article have been better titled "How can we get everybody to stop at those big fat white lines painted on the roads?". Motorists cross the stop lines to encroach on the advance stop zone and cyclists cross the stop lines encroaching on the crossing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3726#post-39179 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:14:01 +0000 cb 39179@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yeah, I'm sure I've seen a video of police in London fining RLJers. It was a bit like shooting fish in a barrel. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3726#post-39176 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:46:58 +0000 custard 39176@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>reading the comments it appears London Police have specific officers on red light duties for cyclists<br /> theres even a video linking to them not pulling cars for being in the ASZ while monitoring cyclists </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3726#post-39170 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:32:19 +0000 Smudge 39170@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Any FOI experts fancy asking for the stats from Local and Boring? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3726#post-39166 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:33:59 +0000 custard 39166@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>"One force which does hold separate statistics for ASZs is the City of London police. A spokesperson told me that in the past three years City Police issued 12 fixed penalties to motorists for entering ASZs unlawfully. Yet in the same period it handed out just over 6,000 fixed penalties to cyclists for jumping red lights.</blockquote>"</p> <p>thats quite a stat </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3726#post-39163 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:13:54 +0000 chdot 39163@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/bike-blog/2011/aug/24/safety-red-lights-cyclists" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/bike-blog/2011/aug/24/safety-red-lights-cyclists</a> </p>