http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Warning - the stupid cones layout at Haymarket is back en Thu, 21 May 2026 13:05:31 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-45430 Fri, 04 Nov 2011 16:42:36 +0000 DaveC 45430@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Tweeted from Edintravel earlier:</p> <p>Haymarket Terrace carriageway works are due to finish on Sunday 6th Nov. Citybound buses will revert to Rosebery Crescent route. </p> <p>Hopefully this will mean cycles heading east can also avoid the diversion through Eglinton Cres. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-45429 Fri, 04 Nov 2011 16:40:04 +0000 DaveC 45429@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Its planned to sit right over the Haymarket tunnels. Hope there is no consequences to the tunnels. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-45428 Fri, 04 Nov 2011 16:37:51 +0000 wingpig 45428@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I hope they've considered the effect of large blade-shaped buildings on the wind at ground level; surprise crosswinds in addition to weird short light timings would be a pain. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-45427 Fri, 04 Nov 2011 16:33:11 +0000 chdot 45427@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Never seen so much red tarmac at Haymarket...</p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/edinburgh/around-the-capital/developer_ditches_offices_for_second_haymarket_hotel_1_1948316" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/edinburgh/around-the-capital/developer_ditches_offices_for_second_haymarket_hotel_1_1948316</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-43090 Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:18:26 +0000 kaputnik 43090@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Haymarket Terrace has been long overdue work for at least 2 years. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-43050 Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:55:24 +0000 DaveC 43050@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well, some people do complain that they should dig one hole and get all the work done at the same time. I suspect they are hoping commuters are avoiding an already conjested Haymarket so making it easier to carry out the work, plus it says 'emergency resurfacing'. Perhaps there is a risk of accident/litigation?</p> <p>Addition, I don't know what that guy on Eglinton Cres is complaining about, he has his pick of busses to use now..... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-43049 Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:44:00 +0000 chdot 43049@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So, it's NOT the trams!</p> <p>"</p> <p>Roads chiefs have been criticised for creating an “absolute nightmare” for drivers and residents by carrying out repairs on a busy road that was already part of a tram work diversion.</p> <p>Council staff began work this week on £340,000 of emergency resurfacing works on Haymarket Terrace, one of the busiest routes into the city centre from the west.</p> <p>The work, which will take three weeks to complete, is taking place at the same time as tram work in the area.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/edinburgh/city_chiefs_under_attack_over_road_repair_nightmare_1_1904872" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/edinburgh/city_chiefs_under_attack_over_road_repair_nightmare_1_1904872</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-42687 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 21:07:17 +0000 chdot 42687@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So, that's - </p> <p>No room for cycle lane</p> <p>Must have parking</p> <p>Pedestrians supposed to stay on pavements</p> <p>Or did I read that wrong? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-42684 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 20:35:41 +0000 wingpig 42684@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>At least, further west, the bus lane 'wins' when it goes to a single lane's width at the point where nonbus eastbound traffic is scraped off. Not that it stops people trying to nip past to save three seconds. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-42681 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 20:17:04 +0000 kaputnik 42681@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>He obviously hasn't read my email as I didn't complain about the "lack" of a cycle lane, I complained that they had left it in and that it led you to nowhere and ultimate trouble! In fact I suggested that they completely cone off the lane to stop cyclists going down it and getting stuck.</p> <p>Loud frown and sigh. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-42680 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 20:13:09 +0000 kaputnik 42680@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Dear Andy, </p> <p>Thank you for your recent comments on the current layout of the Haymarket junction.</p> <p>The current traffic management at Haymarket has been put in place to allow this section of the Edinburgh Tram project to be constructed. This will include finishing off the remainder of the utility work, installation of tracks, overhead supports and cabling, as well as new signalling equipment. Work is programmed to be completed in mid 2013.</p> <p>The Council have insisted that the Haymarket junction is allowed to operate as near normal as possible. As a consequence, there will have to be a number of phases of the work to allow this to happen. Each phase of the works will require not just working space, but safety zones and this will put further constraints on the space available for motorists and cyclists. In this case, it was felt that there was not enough space available to retain the dedicated cycle lane, as the traffic lanes had to be moved to allow the new layout to work, as well as allow temporary parking and unloading bays to be installed. The phasing of the works and associated traffic management has been agreed by a working group, consisting of Council officials, Lothian Buses, the contractor and police. The current layout is very similar to that when the main utility diversion works was undertaken earlier and after initial problems were resolved, it worked very well.</p> <p>The group will discuss constructive comments on the present arrangements at this location and elsewhere along the Tram route and make changes where appropriate.</p> <p>With regard to pedestrian movements, there are signalised crossing points on Morrison Street, Dalry Road, Clifton Terrace, Grosvenor Street and West Maitland Street. If pedestrians try to cross at other locations, there will be problems with regard to sight lines, confusion caused by the temporary traffic lanes and direction of traffic. Footways have been maintained or temporary ones installed to allow pedestrian access to all premises in the area. I trust this is of assistance. Should you require any further information please do not hesitate to contact me.</p> <p>Regards,</p> <p><strong><strike> </strike></strong></p> <p>Customer Services Manager</p> <p>City of Edinburgh Council Tram Team </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-42552 Wed, 05 Oct 2011 16:12:06 +0000 Bhachgen 42552@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@chdot you would be correct ;) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-42523 Wed, 05 Oct 2011 13:39:27 +0000 chdot 42523@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Bhachgen I presume that's sarcasm(?) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-42522 Wed, 05 Oct 2011 13:32:43 +0000 Bhachgen 42522@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It was good of them to sort out the terrible surface in the bus lane in front of the deaf school before putting in the diversions. Pothole dodging while traffic is merging in from THE RH lane is not my ideal adrenaline fix! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-42484 Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:41:51 +0000 kaputnik 42484@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>And what have @Edinburgh_CC done with Haymarket now? From the end of Dalry Rd? Are we supposed to cycle into the cones and railings?... </em></p> <p>I went this way this evening, on an exploratory detour. I think I understand now!</p> <p>2 problems;</p> <p>1 - when lights go green at Dalry Road, traffic still coming through from Morrison St and gets stuck behind buses and taxis squeezing in and out of stops / rank. </p> <p>2 - it's completely un-obvious that you actually have to turn into the same lane that the traffic going from Morrison Street to Haymarket Terrace is trying to use in the opposite direction (particularly as that traffic is still in it, and trying to use it). It's almost as if you were going to go up Morrison Street. Then, at the last moment you make a quick left/right s-turn into West Maitland. So yeah, 2 streams of traffic going in opposite directions trying to use same single lane... Clever! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-42478 Tue, 04 Oct 2011 15:32:12 +0000 wingpig 42478@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I gave it a go eastbound this morning. Lots of things not aware that they weren't a bus, taxi or cycle and skipping past the first eastbound diversion. Mostly solid traffic all along Rosebery/Lansdowne/Grovenor but relatively safe to gingerly edge past. Also had to thread delicately through some stationary traffic sitting in a line from Dalry Road to the Shandwick Place lane all the way along West Maitland Street in order to get to the Torphichen escape. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-42474 Tue, 04 Oct 2011 15:10:03 +0000 spytefear 42474@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hell this morning - eastbound had to <strike>honk</strike> zound-off at stupid peds walking out on a red man - they were not really to blame though - the station had obviously just emptied and there was no space for people to WALK eastbound either.<br /> Then past the lights traffic heading west to A8 had completely jammed up the entire juntion meaning vehicles heading East were $cr£w£d </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-42387 Mon, 03 Oct 2011 20:22:15 +0000 Instography 42387@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Went through it today in both directions and it was much better. If I'd known the diversion coming in from the west I'd probably have turned down Magdala Crescent but you don't see the signs until Rosebery Crescent. It was fine though. </p> <p>Coming back from town the lanes are much clearer although you're still better in the traffic than in the bike lane but the traffic is so slow it's easy to merge in after the lights. You just need to take it easy because everyone is quite unpredictable. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-42385 Mon, 03 Oct 2011 19:35:55 +0000 chdot 42385@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Anyone know what <em>this</em> problem is?</p> <p>"<br /> urbaneprofessor: </p> <p>And what have @Edinburgh_CC done with Haymarket now? From the end of Dalry Rd? Are we supposed to cycle into the cones and railings?... </p> <p>Original Tweet: <a href="http://twitter.com/urbaneprofessor/status/120921504237092865" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/urbaneprofessor/status/120921504237092865</a> </p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-42372 Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:14:23 +0000 spytefear 42372@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Would have been fine this morning if it hadn't been for the stupid pedestrian walking out in front of the bike ahead of me when our lights went green </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-42324 Mon, 03 Oct 2011 11:03:39 +0000 kaputnik 42324@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Normally I wouldn't, as it's more convenient to avoid trying to get from Gyle to St John's Road. But I think I might, just to test it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-42323 Mon, 03 Oct 2011 10:26:11 +0000 chdot 42323@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@kaputnik</p> <p>Will you be coming back the other way to experience the diversion(s)? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-42321 Mon, 03 Oct 2011 09:58:50 +0000 kaputnik 42321@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Much, MUCH improved. </p> <p>Clearly marked, cycle lane markings painted out, it's clear what you have to do. Temporary pedestrian crossings now with lights for both cars and crossing. The little set-outs for the temporary bus stops alongside the tram platform are a bit confusing, but coned off.</p> <p>My only criticism was the cylists coming out of Haymarket station and deciding that it would be quickest to cycle the wrong way into a one-way stream of traffic, rather than push across pavement and finding a safer place to join the road. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-42312 Mon, 03 Oct 2011 08:31:46 +0000 chdot 42312@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> edintravel:</p> <p> Reminder - Clifton Terrace now closed citybound at Haymarket. Use Magdala Crescent &amp; allow some extra time for your journey #edintravel </p> <p>Original Tweet: <a href="http://twitter.com/edintravel/status/120747256579239936" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/edintravel/status/120747256579239936</a> </p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-42292 Sun, 02 Oct 2011 21:28:27 +0000 kaputnik 42292@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Will be interesting to try it tomorrow, now it looks like it's down to 1 lane for a considerable distance. But thank heavens that the horrible contraflow at bottom-of-Morrison-street lights has gone. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-42290 Sun, 02 Oct 2011 21:10:13 +0000 chdot 42290@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>But maybe they've just moved...</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/6203972869/"><img src="http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6121/6203972869_f6f85d29a2.jpg"></a></p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/6204491288/"><img src="http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6171/6204491288_f8b2c17edf.jpg"></a></p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/6203974551/"><img src="http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6123/6203974551_f62e8f59e2.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/6203974551/">cars left, buses straight on, bikes either</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981&page=2#post-42288 Sun, 02 Oct 2011 21:02:27 +0000 chdot 42288@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/6204444774/"><img src="http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6024/6204444774_44508f7e3d.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/6204444774/">They've GONE!</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/6203931371/"><img src="http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6169/6203931371_2341231610.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981#post-42199 Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:33:14 +0000 kaputnik 42199@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Noticed this morning that the pedestrian footway on south side of Haymarket Terrace has been relocated to the concrete platform for the tram stop. There had been a slight re-arrangement of cones outside the station, but the problem area has not been touched.</p> <p>Problem at the lights was compounded by 2 Airlink busses sitting nose-to-tail at lights, with first bus sitting completely in ASL box. I elected to cross the line and sit between ASL and the studs for the pedestrian crossing, so at least that way I was infront of bus and in drivers line of sight, and not sitting in his blind spot on the left. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981#post-42189 Fri, 30 Sep 2011 13:51:05 +0000 chdot 42189@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>edintravel: Clifton Terrace, Haymarket (message 1 of 2). Road closed citybound from Sat 1st Oct for tram works. Expected duration 7 months. #edintravel</p> <p>edintravel: Clifton Terrace (2 of 2) Diversion: buses via Rosebery Cresc (<a href="http://t.co/VH6l3Jey" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/VH6l3Jey</a>) General traffic via Magdala Cresc (<a href="http://t.co/1wcGln8b" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/1wcGln8b</a>)<br /> Original Tweet: <a href="http://twitter.com/edintravel/status/119734604709109760" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/edintravel/status/119734604709109760</a> </p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3981#post-42108 Thu, 29 Sep 2011 22:34:42 +0000 Bhachgen 42108@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Looks like they're putting back some of the diversions in the area as I noticed new line painting on Magdala Cres this evening. Appears Magdala Cres will be northbound only so I'm guessing eastbound traffic from Roseburn will be diverted that way again. </p>