http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: bad bike day (but good bike shops) en Wed, 01 Jul 2026 20:21:36 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225&page=2#post-49305 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 23:34:45 +0000 chdot 49305@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>OK nothing to with title - this IS CCE -</p> <p>"I just didn't get the fascination with brown sauce at all when I first moved here ten years ago. I've been ground down though, and salt n' sass it is every time."<br /> <a href="http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/opinion/analysis/frank_boyle_cartoon_05_12_2011_1_1991299"><br /> <img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7167/6462417755_c328eaa940.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225&page=2#post-47232 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 01:15:18 +0000 David Smith 47232@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Dare I say, speaking as a southerner (although my father was a Scott) We call Them "Sprogs" or "Chavs" down here which, I hasten to add is not as delightful as "Wee Bairns". As far as supporting your local bike shop is concerned I truly believe that they are the "lifeblood" of the cycling community and any praise in their direction is always very welcome!</p> <p>I myself own a rather impersonal cycling comparison website which although, by offering a huge choice of bikes &amp; accessories really caters for the needs of the masses with it's own merits, it does not supply that "personal" standard of service. It is this level of service which only local Bike Shops can provide and I am envious of them for this reason and this reason alone. Despite the proliferation of internet shopping &amp; price comparison sites such as mine, there will always be a place for the bike shop around the corner in this world. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225&page=2#post-45877 Wed, 09 Nov 2011 08:06:55 +0000 gembo 45877@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Shakespeare used bairn [maybe only in Macbeth must check]. A lot of what we think of as Scottish is just old fashioned and was used in England long ago too.</p> <p>The romany words - Radge, barrie, shan - were new to me when I moved east. Ken was ubiquitous but wee willie the bar man in UB Chip from Perth said Ken like say all the time so I was prepared for that one. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225&page=2#post-45874 Wed, 09 Nov 2011 02:07:28 +0000 Its_Me_Knees 45874@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Would you annex Berwick?</em></p> <p>Nope. Too risky. Still at war with Russia 'n all that. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225&page=2#post-45839 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 17:13:38 +0000 PS 45839@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh me of little faith:</p> <p><em>Northumberland signs up with Scotland in new tourism site</em><br /> <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/the-northerner/2011/nov/08/northumberland-scottish-borders-reivers-carlisle-gretna-green?CMP=twt_gu">Cross-Border Link</a><br /> A private-sector enterprise by the looks of things. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-44050 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:44:03 +0000 chdot 44050@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I haven't been to Berwick (on Tweed) for a while (apart from passing over on the train).</p> <p>It seemed a bit 'time passed by' - but well worth visiting.</p> <p>I was surprised that they hadn't made more of the waterside parts of its location.</p> <p>Even more surprising (I suspect for most people) is that it's about 10 minutes quicker than going to Glasgow!</p> <p>Can be cheaper too (if you book in advance).</p> <p>I once asked a GNER man why they didn't promote it more. He seemed to think that the trains were usually full already.</p> <p>When they are it must be with mega-good deals for Edinburgh-London. Often quite empty before/(after on way back) Newcastle.</p> <p>Random web find - <a href="http://www.coast-and-castles.co.uk/berwick.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.coast-and-castles.co.uk/berwick.html</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-44049 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:35:29 +0000 kaputnik 44049@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>and <a href="http://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland">reading Wikipedia in Scots</a> is always quaintly amusing (or any other website, for that matter). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-44048 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:29:53 +0000 kaputnik 44048@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My Gran would say "wan o they" (she was of working class Glasgowegian extraction) but my great aunt would say "yin o they" being as she was of Penicuikian millworker heritage. </p> <p>I would say that my Gran spoke English with Glaswegian dialect but great aunt (who was also 20 years older) something more approximating an anglicised form of Scots. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-44047 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:21:21 +0000 wee folding bike 44047@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Berwick (tweed) apparently has a slightly ambiguous status. Since langshanks time is has been in England but not of England. It has been mentioned separately in declarations of war and peace. I seem to remember reading a few years ago that they were still at war with Russia because they were missed off the list after the Crimean war. </p> <p>I don't think Putin is going to lose much sleep. </p> <p>I lived in Cumbernauld for a few years and east coast accents seemed to start at Bonnybridge (as did flying saucer sightings). This may be slightly artificial bearing in mind the number of people who moved to the new town after the war. Cumbernauld's native population might have been swapped.</p> <p>Edit </p> <p>Checked on wiki. Apparently since 1746 anything which refers to England has been taken to include Berwick and Wales. They still leave the actually status of Berwick in question. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-44046 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:20:39 +0000 wingpig 44046@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I can't distinguish accents sufficiently to work out which coast most people are from to be able to tell whence their vocabulary was collected. My parents-in-law say 'wean' (prn. "wayn") and they're lifelong Ayrish. My brother-in-law says 'bairn' and is approximately Invernesian, which I suppose is sort of technically east-coast even though it's not actually in the east in any meaningful sense of the word. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-44045 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:19:17 +0000 crowriver 44045@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well I believe about half the population of Scotland lives within the Greater Glasgow conurbation. So fair enough I guess.</p> <p>As for Taggart, I don't think he would stoop so low as to use 'weans'. IIRC the dialogue was mainly Scottified English (for viewers 'doon Sooth') without Weegie patois woven in. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-44044 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:13:28 +0000 kaputnik 44044@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Apart from odd things like Rebus or Looking After JoJo (pure brand new, eh?), there is a perceptible west coast bias in the geo-cultural locale of "Scottish" regional programming. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-44041 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:03:42 +0000 chdot 44041@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"soap dodging"</p> <p>Yeah I dodge River City.</p> <p>"I blame it all on Rab C. Nesbitt"</p> <p>Wot aboot Taggart? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-44040 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:02:06 +0000 chdot 44040@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@kaputnik</p> <p>Think PS wants a whole new country!</p> <p>The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_state">Buffer State</a>?? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-44039 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:00:07 +0000 crowriver 44039@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yep, 'wean' is Weegie-speak. Alas most popular Scottish television and radio programmes are produced in Glasgow, hence 'wean' and other soap dodging expressions (eg. 'gonnae naw dae that; cludgie; Senga; etc.') have escaped their geographic locale and polluted the consciousness of a broader swathe of Scots.</p> <p>I blame it all on Rab C. Nesbitt. ;-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-44038 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:59:44 +0000 kaputnik 44038@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thater than black/white independence, with a delineated border and you're Scottish on one side and English on the other (which seems so old fashioned and open to causing unneccessary conflict), perhaps we need a "grey option", with a linear transition from being Scottish at one end, English at the other, and some sort of Anglo-borderer to varying degrees in the middle :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-44035 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:56:34 +0000 chdot 44035@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"There is excellent cycling to be had on both sides of the border for both mountain biking and road biking"</p> <p>Yes, I wasn't ignoring the road aspect - just that MTBing gets the promo - 7Stanes, Keilder etc. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-44033 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:50:20 +0000 PS 44033@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Probably a bit strong to call it a plan. ;) But something that's often lost in all the political debate on Indep******e is how similar (culturally, genetically, geographically) the areas on both sides of the Eng/Sco Border are. </p> <p>There may be some joint tourism plans/promotions, but I'd be surprised given where responsibilities sit, which is a shame and possibly missing a trick. There is excellent cycling to be had on both sides of the border for both mountain biking and road biking. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-44025 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:30:25 +0000 chdot 44025@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@PS</p> <p>Is this a personal plan??</p> <p>Would make sense to have cross-border (existing) tourism promotions. Is there anything?</p> <p><em>Could</em> coalesce around Mountain Biking! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-44020 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:20:43 +0000 PS 44020@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Would you annex Berwick?</em></p> <p>North or 'pon-Tweed? </p> <p>Given that this would encompass Northumberland, Cumbrian and the Scottish Borders, plus chunks of Dumfries &amp; Galloway (mulling over whether we call it "the Debatablelands" for added romance and lawlessness), Berwick-upon-Tweed would be pretty central to operations, geographically ideal for tolling incomers in their iron horses... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-44018 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:01:32 +0000 chdot 44018@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Border republic campaign"</p> <p>Would you <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation">annex</a> Berwick? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-44010 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:50:30 +0000 PS 44010@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's bairn in the Borders too, and Cumbria. Which all sits nicely with my nascent Border republic campaign ("it's our peat/rain/sheep"). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-44009 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:50:19 +0000 kaputnik 44009@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And the nickname for Falkirk F.C. is the Bairns.</p> <p>I always assumed bairn was east coast from childhood reading of the Broons dialect. Wean Broon just doesn't sound right. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-44006 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:32:24 +0000 chdot 44006@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>no tween city</p> <p>(unless you count Falkirk) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-44003 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:30:28 +0000 LaidBack 44003@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>'Wean' is Glaswegian - no twee city? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-44000 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:16:02 +0000 chdot 44000@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"This is an informal guide to the Scots tongue for the benefit of occasional visitors to Scotland or readers of Scottish literature. It makes no claims to be authoritative, complete or accurate."</p> <p><a href="http://www.cs.stir.ac.uk/~kjt/general/scots.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cs.stir.ac.uk/~kjt/general/scots.html</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-43999 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:13:56 +0000 chdot 43999@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Why is bairn less twee than wain? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-43998 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:13:08 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 43998@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>And Brown Sauce</em>"</p> <p>I just didn't get the fascination with brown sauce at all when I first moved here ten years ago. I've been ground down though, and salt n' sass it is every time. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-43996 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:12:36 +0000 SRD 43996@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I always think that bairn sounds like something Scotty would say (me bairns, me bairns...) and a bit too tweely scottish for an incomer like me to try. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4225#post-43995 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:11:03 +0000 chdot 43995@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Ahem! On this coast it's a "bairn"!"</p> <p>And Brown Sauce. (CCE OT non sequitur) </p>