http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: The 'Otherwise Law-Abiding Motorist' en Mon, 18 May 2026 08:57:25 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4245#post-52717 Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:54:46 +0000 kaputnik 52717@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thought it worth noting I was watching "Motorway Cops" this evening and Jamie Theakston (narrating) did make a point of saying "so called 'minor' offences". </p> <p>Refreshing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4245#post-49613 Wed, 07 Dec 2011 20:10:37 +0000 slowcoach 49613@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks Wingpig.<br /> The BBC site is at <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15975564">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15975564</a> and it gives a slightly different version from the RSGB version. And the figures for "drivers (sic?) blamed for crashes" with a criminal history was 41% for lorry drivers, 35% for cyclists, and 21% for car drivers, with a background rate of 8%. It's not all drivers that are bad but the behaviour of some of them/us. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4245#post-49611 Wed, 07 Dec 2011 19:55:43 +0000 wingpig 49611@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>...hence, I expect, the apologies for not locating the actual data. You've then quoted a fragment from a sentence from the BBC quote (missing out the involvement-in-accident qualification) which is itself inconsistently-worded (omitting any mention of responsibility for the accident alluded to in the previous sentence). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4245#post-49603 Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:25:32 +0000 splitshift 49603@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>56 % of lorry drivers had a criminal record .........<br /> hmm, now if Clarcson had said that there would be an outcry !very large, tarry brush !<br /> scott </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4245#post-49562 Wed, 07 Dec 2011 14:36:36 +0000 slowcoach 49562@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sorry can't find details for this yet. It was mentioned on a BBC site and in a DfT report -<br /> <a href="http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/strategic-framework-for-road-safety/strategicframework.doc" rel="nofollow">http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/strategic-framework-for-road-safety/strategicframework.doc</a> but without details.<br /> Previous (?) similar (?) work might be of interest: <a href="http://www.trl.co.uk/online_store/reports_publications/trl_reports/cat_road_user_safety/report_the_correlation_between_motoring_offences_and_other_types_of_offence.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.trl.co.uk/online_store/reports_publications/trl_reports/cat_road_user_safety/report_the_correlation_between_motoring_offences_and_other_types_of_offence.htm</a><br /> and <a href="http://bura.brunel.ac.uk/bitstream/2438/4790/1/Fulltext.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://bura.brunel.ac.uk/bitstream/2438/4790/1/Fulltext.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4245#post-49521 Wed, 07 Dec 2011 11:35:51 +0000 Smudge 49521@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Slowcoach, that's a very interesting bit of research, I'd love to know more about that one! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4245#post-49516 Wed, 07 Dec 2011 10:51:39 +0000 slowcoach 49516@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>from <a href="http://www.roadsafetygb.org.uk/news/1946.html">Road Safety GB's</a> coverage of BBC fatality map: "BBC News cites preliminary research by South Yorkshire Police, which reveals that for every fatal collision there is a one in two chance that the driver ‘responsible’ has a criminal record. Researchers found that 56% of lorry drivers involved in a collision had a previous motoring offence and 41% had a criminal record." (I haven't found a reference for this so don't know anymore details) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4245#post-44329 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:36:30 +0000 DaveC 44329@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>" 'insert anything' just criminlaise oherwise law-abiding motorists"</p> <p>Its just a winge / cop out... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4245#post-44323 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:24:26 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 44323@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Featuring in the 'lexicon' in this month's citycycling:</p> <p>.otherwise law-abiding motorist n.</p> <p>For example used in the following type of sentence: "20mph zones just criminlaise oherwise law-abiding motorists."</p> <p>Used to describe any situation where a ridiculous control is placed on motorised traffic, usually for spurious reasons such as safety, or making an urban environment more pleasant. It recognises that motorists would never break the law if laws weren't put in place and that, much like old dogs, they cannnot adapt to new laws being put in place. Therefore, if a 30mph zone is changed to a 20mph zone a motorist is physically incapable of driving at a slower limit and so but for the change in limit he wouldn't break the law. But because of the change he has to break the law, despite in every other circumstance he doesn't break the law.</p> <p>See also 'otherwise law-abiding shopper' (who steals Mars Bars, but otherwise does not indulge in shoplifting); and 'otherwise law-abiding late night street walker' (who only kills prostitutes with a hammer, but in all other respects is a really nice chap who was lovely to live next door to). </p>