http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: DON'T FORGET en Thu, 09 Apr 2026 11:29:13 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255&page=2#post-348986 Tue, 30 Mar 2021 20:45:58 +0000 gembo 348986@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes Renfrewshire Council have me a white plastic helmet with a wee red light on top to wear to school in the morn8ngs. My sister came with me so she got one too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255&page=2#post-348985 Tue, 30 Mar 2021 20:40:56 +0000 ARobComp 348985@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Would seem this your memory is correct - 4 year experiment which for first 2 years they thought was working far better, but then they realised it was mostly just because people were no longer driving drunk in the afternoons... Main benefit in southern scotland and northern england, worst impact norther scotland: </p> <p><blockquote>There have been frequent unsuccessful attempts in the UK parliament over the past few decades to make changes to the current system.</p> <p>Older readers may remember the three-year experiment launched in 1968, when British Standard Time (GMT+1) was employed all year round.</p> <p>The clocks were put forward as usual in March 1968 and not put back until October 1971.</p> <p>The Department for Transport's initial analysis of road casualty data during the experiment suggested more people were injured in the darker mornings, but fewer people were injured in the lighter afternoons.</p> <p>It estimated a net reduction of 2,700 people killed or seriously injured during the first two years of the experiment.</p> <p>However, it was recognised at the time that the calculations did not take into account drink-driving legislation passed in 1967, so the Department for Transport eventually re-analysed the data and factored that in. In 1989, it found the data agreed broadly with the earlier estimates.</p> <p>It suggested that those living in central England and southern Scotland benefited most from the experiment. However, northern Scotland saw a net increase in the number of people killed or seriously injured.</blockquote></p> <p><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-11643098#:~:text=A%20White%20Paper%20published%20in,81%20%2D%20the%20experiment%20was%20discontinued.">Linkee</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255&page=2#post-348969 Tue, 30 Mar 2021 15:19:13 +0000 wishicouldgofaster 348969@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I remember us staying on BST all year in the 70's and it was carnage with the number of accidents in the morning in Scotland increasing. Our primary school made the radical step of switching to a 9:30 start from 9am to keep us safer.</p> <p>I would expect even more accidents up here nowadays than then due to<br /> 1) far more traffic<br /> 2) streetlighting is not as good<br /> 3) driving standards due mostly to the IDGAF culture </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255&page=2#post-348934 Mon, 29 Mar 2021 14:52:56 +0000 ARobComp 348934@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@SRD - I'd advocate for moving so that we have lighter evenings all year round, namely as I feel this would benfit health and the economy (evening shopping/cafes/outdoor sports in evenings) the most, but also because I feel that I'd rather kids WENT to school in the dark slightly more than walked home from school in the dark more if you had an option. </p> <p>TBH I have no strong feelings either way. Let's stick to GMT +1/2 if we want to but let's just do one and stick to it all year! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-348933 Mon, 29 Mar 2021 14:48:30 +0000 gembo 348933@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>summer time for seven months , winter time or daylight saving time for five months. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-348932 Mon, 29 Mar 2021 14:40:44 +0000 crowriver 348932@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>P.S.:- Atrocious driving in that video. Don't do this at home, kids! Stay safely behind the sofa at all times. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-348931 Mon, 29 Mar 2021 14:37:30 +0000 crowriver 348931@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"literally letting Europe control time"</p> <p>Big No No. The only being that does that is The Doctor.</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsAVx0u9Cw4" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsAVx0u9Cw4</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-348929 Mon, 29 Mar 2021 13:36:41 +0000 SRD 348929@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@arobcomp are you advocating against summer time? or about keeping summer time all year round? </p> <p>I'm always puzzled that the people who complain the most about the clocks changes, assume that 'summer time' is normal. ie we abandon GMT? </p> <p>which seems a bit radical. </p> <p>(but yeah, we were also a bit off yesterday and today) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-348927 Mon, 29 Mar 2021 11:49:23 +0000 gembo 348927@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Think it is pitch black in Shetland until about noon in December </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-348924 Mon, 29 Mar 2021 10:14:11 +0000 steveo 348924@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Main thing for me is its light enough in the morning December and January for the kids walking to school. Might be easier to shift school hours during the winter term.</p> <p>I never really believed it was for the farmers tbh. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-348923 Mon, 29 Mar 2021 09:31:30 +0000 ARobComp 348923@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@acsimpson in a few quick googles last night it would seem that a majority of farmers surveyed by the NFU do not care at all. In fact many said that lighter evenings all year round would be beneficial to the type of farming they are involved in. </p> <p>From what I could gather in the press the main reason we still do it is because Europe wanted to stop doing it and we would not do something that Europe wanted to do because that would mean we're "literally letting Europe control time" (paraphrase from a Tory MP), ignoring of course that by changing close twice a year we're doing that ourselves... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-348922 Mon, 29 Mar 2021 09:30:43 +0000 Frenchy 348922@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Why does agriculture care? They are free to work whatever hours they need.</em></p> <p>Farmers don't live in a bubble, of course. They still need to fit their lives into everything else going on in society - delivery and pick up of all kinds of things, appointments with bank managers and pesticide salespeople and vets, weather forecasts at particular times, shop opening hours, etc., etc. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-348915 Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:02:26 +0000 acsimpson 348915@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Why does agriculture care? They are free to work whatever hours they need.</p> <p>Gembo, I've come across venues in the autumn who ring last orders and then remain open for another hour and a quarter. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-348912 Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:43:20 +0000 gembo 348912@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Also please add to this campaign that in 1984 I was at the Ayr Pavilion on the last Saturday in a March. The club was open until 1a.m. But they shut it at 12. Midnight as they put the clocks forward at midnight. When we complained. They said we could have the extra hour back in the subsequent October when the clocks went back again BUT on requesting this I. The October we were denied. This is a clear miscarriage of justice. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-348911 Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:21:34 +0000 ARobComp 348911@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What is the financial impact on farmers if we stop this nonsense? </p> <p>Basically my kids have been miserable based on thrown out day, and it'll take most of the week to sort themselves out. Result of this for toddlers is more waking up at night and likely I'll need to resettle. This will make me more tired, and then I'll be worse at work. </p> <p>Call the decrease in efficiency about 20%. So call that a single sick day equivalent this week (not to mention the Quality of life adjustment that needs to go with this but we'll ignore that for now). </p> <p>So 8 million households with dependant kids. Suggest that we are generous and assume that the average number of children is 1.8 because I am sure I read this somewhere. </p> <p>IF we only count impact for parents with children between ages of 0-5, accounting for a younger sibling who is heavily impacted gives us 2 million households who are impacted with the equivalent of one additional sick day twice a year. </p> <p>Lets assume that 1.5 of the total parents are in the workforce, and for the sake of argument (because the impact on a single parent household would be the same if not higher) I'm assuming everyone is living with a partner so 4 million people. This gives us 2.6m people impacted. </p> <p>Current employed population of the UK is 24.3 million people. So this is roughly 10% of the working population. </p> <p>Currently sick days cost the UK economy at an average of 2.7 sick days per person 77bn a year. So thats 28.5bn per sick day for 24.3m people 2.85bn twice a year for our population. That's £5.7bn. </p> <p>Agriculture contributed £10bn or 0.53% to the national economy (Gross Value Added). But daylight savings knocks off 50% of that.* </p> <p>Daylight savings is a menace to our economy and has to be stopped. </p> <p><em>*These numbers are what we call BOE (back of envelope) and should be thoroughly vetted before being used to start a political campaign. </em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-348883 Sun, 28 Mar 2021 00:41:47 +0000 minus six 348883@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>WELL ALRIGHT</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS_BsLxMqn4" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS_BsLxMqn4</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-348882 Sun, 28 Mar 2021 00:01:35 +0000 chdot 348882@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19192104.clocks-change-british-summer-time-2021-starts-clocks-go-forward" rel="nofollow">https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19192104.clocks-change-british-summer-time-2021-starts-clocks-go-forward</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-326182 Sun, 29 Mar 2020 13:29:35 +0000 Ed1 326182@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was trying to figure out why I sleeped so late this morning </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-326174 Sun, 29 Mar 2020 11:09:40 +0000 unhurt 326174@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Now begins the week where I sleep in every single morning... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-326159 Sun, 29 Mar 2020 02:03:38 +0000 chdot 326159@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Summer</p> <p>Apparently </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-316455 Sat, 26 Oct 2019 07:09:03 +0000 chdot 316455@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Again. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-44631 Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:03:23 +0000 custard 44631@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Cycling to work on Saturday morning the owners of this</p> <p><img src="http://ahprdcdn3.costar.com/attachments/get.ishx?x=79C0C82C8E8F96BC4FC549B78CB094CDACFFEA7D3B53E5157E6889ABCB328E84204860E9F6A59147209E31BFD84336D4D590EE21ACF97E7F4F395E901F3039CF0E31469C8388D2E773EBB4034828BEC352C6DFD909683ACBB684ADD5CCD1E1827AF63D22CB13973AA60D6D4E6E4BF1569A78C5A8FA0A32625E85139855208B0C7091C626E5F117053344DEF13661F41AEB78A062AD3C23B63D1D0030AFEDCC897D83A442C92002618A1AD2512C615AE7FD7212A915AD97C0D4E4F1AFFFDC83F79D8AC4A5FBAD3875AC73B223D76EC04430DDE1265475C29C2C83E130BB89CBD1"></p> <p>had decided to put the clock back for the weekend<br /> thought I had left an hour early! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-44590 Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:52:25 +0000 Smudge 44590@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not on Monday as I'm on a compressed week ;-p</p> <p>As for Tues to Fri, they're pretty much always on anyway.<br /> But... I have just received a 1w cherrybomb through the post from TBC... </p> <p>Mwahahahahahaha. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-44572 Sat, 29 Oct 2011 10:43:20 +0000 crowriver 44572@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Already need lights both ways, unless I start late/finish very early. It's dark after 6 as it is...</p> <p>Yesterday morning the stars were magnificent in the 'night' sky. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-44566 Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:54:45 +0000 ruggtomcat 44566@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>when I worked as a farmer we didn't bother putting the clocks back until well into November. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-44557 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 19:43:08 +0000 druidh 44557@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>chdot<br /> Admin<br /> PM this user</p> <p>The idea that the benefits (or otherwise) are dependent on farmers (who will be up well before dawn anyway) seems strange.</em></blockquote>The NFU in Scotland are in favour of the proposed 3-year trial of BST+1<br /> <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-15492270">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-15492270</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-44551 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 19:06:32 +0000 steveo 44551@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've been using my lights for the last few weeks any way. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-44549 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:17:03 +0000 custard 44549@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>No I wont. finish at lunchtime :p </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-44546 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:49:39 +0000 chdot 44546@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes, but it'll be lighter in the morning...</p> <p>(For a while)</p> <p>Think a lot of the fuss about 'clocks going back' is that people imagine their day <em>length</em> light is being stolen -</p> <p>Like when they changed calendars. </p> <p>The idea that the benefits (or otherwise) are dependent on farmers (who will be up well before dawn anyway) seems strange. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4255#post-44545 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:44:07 +0000 wingpig 44545@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Plenty of lights. I need to find out how to adjust a toddler's internal clock to GMT. </p>