http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Road injury and casualty map en Mon, 18 May 2026 08:20:28 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4450#post-49346 Tue, 06 Dec 2011 11:04:58 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 49346@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Has to be said though, flaky though many assumptions may be form such maps, they are quite indicative as to the transport choices that <em>look</em> counter-intuitively (to many, mainly motorists and EEN commenters) the most dangerous.</p> <p>Cars</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpuddinonnabike/6465055015/"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7034/6465055015_565e0bb87e.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpuddinonnabike/6465055015/">Untitled</a> by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/blackpuddinonnabike/">blackpuddinonnabike</a>, on Flickr</p> <p>Pedestrians</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpuddinonnabike/6465055401/"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7032/6465055401_04d4c81d72.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpuddinonnabike/6465055401/">Untitled</a> by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/blackpuddinonnabike/">blackpuddinonnabike</a>, on Flickr</p> <p>Bikes</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpuddinonnabike/6465055865/"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7145/6465055865_62879d4103.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpuddinonnabike/6465055865/">Untitled</a> by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/blackpuddinonnabike/">blackpuddinonnabike</a>, on Flickr </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4450#post-49214 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 13:43:09 +0000 slowcoach 49214@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The BBC version only has fatal accidents and it seems more accurate at vehicle types than the guardian version (which had several motorcyclists wrongly listed as vehicle occupants). Strangely, when I looked earlier today, the BBC version had light conditions and weather - I'd noticed 2 that seemed unlikely - but doesn't have these details now.<br /> There is also a website called <a href="http://www.crashmap.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.crashmap.co.uk/</a> which says it has details of all injury road accidents from 2005 - 2010, but charges for more than just location date and severity. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4450#post-49175 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 11:21:15 +0000 custard 49175@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15975720" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15975720</a></p> <p>BBC has a version </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4450#post-47194 Fri, 18 Nov 2011 22:34:20 +0000 Instography 47194@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh, I'd best chip in then.</p> <p>If you take any number and multiply it by 10 it will be 10 times bigger. It's a common ploy to accumulate many years of data to make things appear really dramatic. Any problem looks worse when you make it 10 times bigger. When you visualise it, it helps if you make the symbol for fatalities really big because then you can make your map look like it's covered in death. Very effective, especially if the symbols don't scale with the map. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4450#post-47175 Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:03:58 +0000 Roibeard 47175@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@crowriver &amp; alibali</p> <p>Stop spoiling my junk stats...</p> <p>;-)</p> <p>Perception is rarely based on evidence and there are different ways to make folk re-examine their perceptions - I think one of the other threads has discussion on absolute numbers of cycling deaths being used effectively in campaigning for improved infrastructure in Holland. Even whilst the per cyclist, or per mile, death rate might have been falling...</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4450#post-47172 Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:41:03 +0000 alibali 47172@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The map is fascinating, especially if you zoom in on your local streets.</p> <p>"One to roll out whenever someone says how dangerous it is to cycle..."</p> <p>Doesn't answer that question though, because it doesn't address how many journeys were undertaken or their length.</p> <p>What it does show pretty clearly is the cost to society of motor vehicles is high and the cost to society of cycling is low. (I'll leave estimating the benefits to someone else...) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4450#post-47131 Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:52:38 +0000 crowriver 47131@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Glasgow seems a bit of a nightmare compared to Edinburgh. As far as road deaths are concerned, that is. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4450#post-47128 Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:38:09 +0000 crowriver 47128@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Roibeard, presumably the numbers of people in vehicles on roads is quite high compared to those on bikes... Whether that makes it proportionately safer to cycle, I dunno. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4450#post-47123 Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:12:42 +0000 Roibeard 47123@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Eyeballing it suggests that being in a vehicle is one of the most dangerous places to be - much more so that being on a bike!</p> <p>One to roll out whenever someone says how dangerous it is to cycle...</p> <p>&lt;steps back to let Inst chip in!&gt;</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4450#post-47112 Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:41:57 +0000 SRD 47112@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What strikes me is that seeing it visually instead of numbers makes it remarkably clear how many of the victims (everywhere) are pedestrians. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4450#post-47105 Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:23:22 +0000 Stepdoh 47105@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I know it's not statistically like for like by any stretch of the imagination, but it doesn underline how relatively unscathed cyclists are in Embra. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4450#post-47102 Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:17:40 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 47102@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>32,955 killed. That's a startling figure.</p> <p>For equivalence...</p> <p>We've been in Afghanistan for ten years, 388 UK personnel have been killed.</p> <p>We've been in Iraq for 8 years, 179 deaths.</p> <p>There are marches numbering thousands about these wars (okay, so it's not necessarily just about the deaths of 'our boys' but it's a big part of it, and there's also the cynicism about the reasons for going in linked to oil supply which is inextricably linked to motor vehicles).</p> <p>Remember the Swine Flu panic and media coverage? In 2010 <em>ten</em> people died. On the roads almost ten people die <em>every day</em>.</p> <p>Bird flu deaths? 0</p> <p>The roads - one of the biggest preventable causes of death out there?</p> <p>(in comparison heart disease and various cancers kill many many more people - certainly in the case of heart disease more exercise through the likes of cycle promotion would reduce those deaths AND the deaths on the roads!).</p> <p>The difference in the 'preventable' tag between road deaths and diseases is that in diseases it's a case of monitoring and regular checks and sometimes lifestyle changes that make them preventable. Ont he roads it is <em>often</em> just 'taking care' that makes the deaths preventable... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4450#post-47100 Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:07:24 +0000 steveo 47100@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Time to swap to a motorcycle to get round town ;) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4450#post-47099 Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:58:27 +0000 SRD 47099@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2011/nov/18/road-casualty-uk-map">here</a></p> <p>Road casualty UK: 10 years of deaths mapped and visualised<br /> The numbers are horrific: 32,955 killed, nearly 3m injured between 2000 and 2010. This is 10 years of deaths and injuries on Britain's roads. </p>