http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Craighouse en Thu, 21 May 2026 15:46:04 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-265943 Wed, 08 Nov 2017 14:19:19 +0000 HankChief 265943@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I see they have started to release some plots for sale...</p> <p>Anyone interested in a <a href="http://www.qmile.com/craighouse-edinburgh-new-homes/edinburgh-apartments-craighouse/new-build/burton/burton-availability/item/28-a006/bdr_from=2?rid=128">2 bed flat</a> better have deep pockets. Nothing for less than £1/2mil </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-255015 Thu, 13 Jul 2017 15:46:07 +0000 kaputnik 255015@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting link ih. </p> <p>I noted one thing reading through it with an element of schadenfreude;</p> <p><em>Just three Carillion PPP contracts – thought to be the Midland Metropolitan hospital in Smethwick, Merseyside’s Royal Liverpool hospital <u><strong>and an Aberdeen road project</strong></u> – are behind the bulk of the £375m losses that relate to the UK.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-255014 Thu, 13 Jul 2017 15:40:41 +0000 ih 255014@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"A review of the group’s finances, commissioned two months earlier from accountants KPMG, had unearthed a gaping hole in the accounts."</p> <p>The developers at Battersea, Carillion, have issued a "monster profit warning".</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/13/carillion-has-no-future-without-rights-issue-of-at-least-500m" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/13/carillion-has-no-future-without-rights-issue-of-at-least-500m</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-255013 Thu, 13 Jul 2017 15:26:00 +0000 Arellcat 255013@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is it all about profit, or is it really about class? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-255012 Thu, 13 Jul 2017 15:17:40 +0000 Frenchy 255012@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Wow. They could quite possibly have built 250 "affordable" homes, given them away for free, and still have a £1.8bn profit. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-255011 Thu, 13 Jul 2017 15:03:18 +0000 SRD 255011@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/cllrsimonhogg/status/883953648669261824" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/cllrsimonhogg/status/883953648669261824</a></p> <p>"Extraordinary. Battersea Power Station developers cut 250 affordable homes due to 'viability'. Then admit profit on scheme is £1,800,000,000"</p> <p>sound familiar? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-252258 Wed, 07 Jun 2017 16:00:31 +0000 Morningsider 252258@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Okay - lets assume the new flats advertised by Rettie are in the proposed "Burton" block. The developers told the Council that these would sell for £350 per square foot, a price used to justify the large amount of new-build so the developer had enough profit to "save" the A-listed buildings.</p> <p>Well, knock me down with a feather but they are going for at least £460 per square foot for for a duplex and £440 per square foot for a teeny two-bed. As these are "Prices from" figures, I imagine many will go for more than that.</p> <p>I said at the time the predicted selling prices had been artificially depressed to allow more new build than required, as they are much more profitable for a developer (see previous posts). The Council officers said that the developers predicted selling costs were correct and anyone claiming otherwise was wrong.</p> <p>Well City of Edinburgh Council - you have been duped by a developer again. You were warned and chose to ignore those warnings. Now one of the city's best urban green spaces and the setting for A-listed buildings are being despoiled for private profit.</p> <p>Just three words for you:</p> <p>ROYAL HIGH SCHOOL</p> <p>Don't get it wrong again.</p> <p>Details of predicted selling costs (might need to cut and paste this into browser address bar): <a href="http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/963A3092C7DECCA58F06D27986CCA73A/pdf/12_04007_SCH3-SUPPORT_DOCUMENT-1889013.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/963A3092C7DECCA58F06D27986CCA73A/pdf/12_04007_SCH3-SUPPORT_DOCUMENT-1889013.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-252242 Wed, 07 Jun 2017 14:14:03 +0000 cb 252242@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Get yourself a wee townhouse here for just £1M or so.</p> <p><a href="http://www.rettie.co.uk/property-for-sale/edinburgh/edinburgh-south/morningside/EDI170146-5-bed-house-craighouse-road">http://www.rettie.co.uk/property-for-sale/edinburgh/edinburgh-south/morningside/EDI170146-5-bed-house-craighouse-road</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-192099 Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:20:53 +0000 chdot 192099@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>CAMPAIGNERS fighting plans to build dozens of new homes on parkland at the historic Craighouse campus have withdrawn their application for a judicial review. </p> <p>The Friends of Craighouse Grounds and Wood raised more than £9000 to battle developers, but are now facing defeat.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/residents-forced-to-drop-costly-craighouse-review-1-3816522" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/residents-forced-to-drop-costly-craighouse-review-1-3816522</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-187445 Fri, 01 May 2015 09:14:36 +0000 chdot 187445@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://friendsofcraighouse.com/2015/04/29/developer-tries-to-get-out-of-important-flooding-condition-as-diggers-move-onto-the-site" rel="nofollow">http://friendsofcraighouse.com/2015/04/29/developer-tries-to-get-out-of-important-flooding-condition-as-diggers-move-onto-the-site</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-187439 Fri, 01 May 2015 08:28:54 +0000 chdot 187439@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/craighouse-development-campaigners-want-review-1-3759464" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/craighouse-development-campaigners-want-review-1-3759464</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-185105 Mon, 06 Apr 2015 12:24:40 +0000 fimm 185105@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Does that mean Morningsider can say "I told you so" without a thing being built? (that's what it sounds like to me...) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-185100 Mon, 06 Apr 2015 10:52:26 +0000 chdot 185100@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/craighouse-sham-property-value-claims-1-3739290" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/craighouse-sham-property-value-claims-1-3739290</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-180450 Wed, 11 Feb 2015 10:38:28 +0000 chdot 180450@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>CAMPAIGNERS have expressed fears over the controversial Craighouse development after an online site was set up which offers the former campus for sale. </p> <p>Estate agent Rettie has set up a password-protected website containing technical and sales information on the £90 million former university campus.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/craighouse-fears-old-campus-flipped-at-profit-1-3686665" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/craighouse-fears-old-campus-flipped-at-profit-1-3686665</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-179511 Sun, 01 Feb 2015 18:22:17 +0000 Fountainbridge 179511@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What's the delay on starting at Craighouse? I thought they said it was "shovel ready" and would start work the day after permission was granted.</p> <p>Scottish office/parly are not calling it in so is there some other kind of delay / option for refusal? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-178486 Wed, 21 Jan 2015 21:28:27 +0000 chdot 178486@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p> Nigel Bagshaw (@nigelbagshaw)<br /> 20/01/2015 16:43<br /> Another letter in @edinburghpaper about #stockbridge Accies' development and planning letting down local community </p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/letters/letters-council-must-face-up-to-its-failure-over-accies-1-3665588" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/letters/letters-council-must-face-up-to-its-failure-over-accies-1-3665588</a></p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-177838 Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:03:02 +0000 chdot 177838@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>" </p> <p>Brian Ferguson (@brianjaffa) </p> <p>14/01/2015 12:12 </p> <p>Damning verdict from @Edinburgh_CC planning boss Ian Perry on #PictureHouse study recommending a Wetherspoon pub "It was not a good report.</p> <p>"</p> <p>http//:citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11876&amp;page=2#post-177831</p> <p>Shame he didn't take a similar view of officials over Craighouse reports. </p> <p>He was more 'we should accept their advice'. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-175723 Fri, 12 Dec 2014 22:42:57 +0000 chdot 175723@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Nigel Bagshaw (@nigelbagshaw)<br /> 05/09/2014 12:08<br /> Equal playing field in planning system? Those shocked by appalling #craighouse decision will be interested in this </p> <p><a href="http://www.planningdemocracy.org.uk/2014/equal-rights-of-appeal" rel="nofollow">http://www.planningdemocracy.org.uk/2014/equal-rights-of-appeal</a></p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-172607 Tue, 18 Nov 2014 13:57:06 +0000 Morningsider 172607@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>When the flats go on sale I intend to crunch the numbers. If there are any discrepancies between the projected sale prices and the actual prices then I will be on to the Council like a shot. Not that it will achieve anything - but I will be more than happy to say "I told you so" when this happens. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-172602 Tue, 18 Nov 2014 13:41:46 +0000 SRD 172602@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>anyone else receive this today ? :( </p> <p>second para particularly galling. would love to get someone to actually respond to <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&amp;page=4#post-163675">Morningsider's critique of the financial case</a>.</p> <p>"The City of Edinburgh Council has now determined that the application be Granted in accordance with the particulars given in the application.The decision with any conditions, reasons and/or informatives can be found on the other side of this letter. Full details of the final scheme, including the report assessing the application, can be found on the Council website at <a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/planning" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/planning</a> .</p> <p>The reason for the decision was<br /> The proposals are contrary to policies Des1, Des3, Des10, Env3, Env6, Env11, Env12 and Os1 of the Edinburgh City Local Plan. However, the application is for enabling development and it has been demonstrated that the proposed quantum of development is the minimum necessary to fund the long term future use of the category A listed buildings and the surrounding landscape. The significance of the public benefits, which crucially not only ensure the long term future of these buildings but retain public access to this historic place to the benefit of the wider community, outweigh the more moderate disbenefits of allowing development contrary to policy. There are no other material considerations which outweigh this conclusion." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-166963 Fri, 03 Oct 2014 13:20:26 +0000 Morningsider 166963@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Derek Mackay MSP (Planning minister) has confirmed that the Craighouse development will not be called in. Details on the first page of the attached:</p> <p><a href="http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/parliamentarybusiness/28862.aspx?r=9538&amp;mode=pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/parliamentarybusiness/28862.aspx?r=9538&amp;mode=pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-164600 Tue, 09 Sep 2014 20:25:07 +0000 chdot 164600@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>@welovehistory: @bigrainyday we believe the proposal will secure the long term future of the listed buildings at Edinburgh’s Craighouse Campus.</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-164540 Tue, 09 Sep 2014 00:51:48 +0000 chdot 164540@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>I think it's fair to say that most local people (not to mention those further afield) where pretty stunned at the final outcome of last Wednesday's "Craighouse Hearing" meeting ...</p> <p><a href="http://andrewburns.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/craighouse-hearing.html" rel="nofollow">http://andrewburns.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/craighouse-hearing.html</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-164536 Mon, 08 Sep 2014 23:21:21 +0000 chdot 164536@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/15181138932/"><img src="https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3895/15181138932_b8fa4c4159.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-164499 Mon, 08 Sep 2014 18:26:55 +0000 chdot 164499@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>@AndrewDBurns: .webcast from last Wednesday's Craighouse Hearing now up on archive-site: <a href="http://t.co/6TVSTn29op" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/6TVSTn29op</a> #craighouse</p> <p>"</p> <p>The whole EIGHT HOURS! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-164490 Mon, 08 Sep 2014 15:43:01 +0000 chdot 164490@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://news.stv.tv/scotland/290882-jim-eadie-calls-for-craighouse-to-be-called-into-scottish-parliament/" rel="nofollow">http://news.stv.tv/scotland/290882-jim-eadie-calls-for-craighouse-to-be-called-into-scottish-parliament/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=6#post-164489 Mon, 08 Sep 2014 15:40:38 +0000 chdot 164489@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/mp-says-craighouse-shows-need-for-planning-appeals-1-3534525" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/mp-says-craighouse-shows-need-for-planning-appeals-1-3534525</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=5#post-164468 Mon, 08 Sep 2014 11:00:48 +0000 chdot 164468@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>May or may not be relevant -</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/historic-scotland-leant-on-for-wind-farm-bid-1-3534385" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/historic-scotland-leant-on-for-wind-farm-bid-1-3534385</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=5#post-164439 Sun, 07 Sep 2014 21:35:50 +0000 Morningsider 164439@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>andrewr - I'm not sure that the Council has to notify Scottish Ministers of their intention to grant permission for the Craighouse development. There are only three categories of development where this is required:</p> <p>1. Development which the council has an interest in, which is a significant departure from the development plan.<br /> 2. Development where there is an outstanding objection from a Government agency.<br /> 3. Opencast coal mine.</p> <p>None of these seem to apply to Craighouse.</p> <p>That said. Scottish Government planners will already be well aware of such a high profile development. Scottish Government guidance (<a href="http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2009/03/27112705/0" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2009/03/27112705/0</a>) on the criteria for call-in gives Ministers complete discretion as to what to call-in, stating:</p> <p>"However, there can be circumstances where proposed development raises issues of such national importance that it is reasonable for Scottish Ministers to call in a planning application from the local authority; in effect to take over the role of decision-maker. It is at Ministers' discretion whether to do so. For example, Ministers might choose to intervene in circumstances where a Government agency has expressed strong concerns about the impact of development on their national interests, or where the possible impacts or benefits of a proposed development extend well beyond the area of the local authority to the extent that they become of national importance. However, simply because a particular development proposal may be complex or controversial does not make it of strategic importance or of national interest. The existence of a substantial number of objections is not in itself sufficient ground to merit call-in for decision at a national level."</p> <p>What constitutes "national significance" is determined by Ministers on a case by case basis. If I was to try and make a case for call-in, I would focus on the following (in no particular order):</p> <p>1. The decision has undermined confidence in the development planning system, contrary to paragraph four of the Scottish Planning Policy<br /> 2. The proposals will have a detrimental impact on a multiply protected site, considered to be of national/international importance<br /> 3. The proposals will impact on views from and to the world heritage sites<br /> 4. Concerns were raised by Councillors about the role of Historic Scotland in this case</p> <p>My main concern is, even if the application was called-in, it would be approved. The Scottish Government is very pro-development. You only have to read the new Scottish Planning Policy and National Planning Framework to see this. Remember, these are the people who approved the Trump development.</p> <p>Drop me a PM if you want to talk planning.</p> <p>chdot - it's a fairly standard list of conditions. Actually surprisingly short for such a large and controversial development. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4637&page=5#post-164425 Sun, 07 Sep 2014 16:35:58 +0000 chdot 164425@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Decision: Minded to Grant - Legal Agreement</p> <p>1. No development shall take place until the applicant has secured the implementation of a programme of archaeological work, in accordance with a written scheme of investigation which has been submitted to and approved in writing by the Planning Authority, having first been agreed by the City Archaeologist.</p> <p>2. A detailed specification, including trade names where appropriate, of all the proposed external materials shall be submitted to and approved in writing by the Head of Planning and Building Standards prior to work commencing on site; Note: samples of the materials may be required</p> <p>"</p> <p>And a LOT more -</p> <p><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/p95kw4fo144j34x/Craighouse.pdf?dl=0" rel="nofollow">https://www.dropbox.com/s/p95kw4fo144j34x/Craighouse.pdf?dl=0</a> </p>