http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Active Transport Budget Protest en Sun, 19 Apr 2026 18:37:42 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=10#post-138949 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 13:28:56 +0000 crowriver 138949@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In fairness to Keith Brown, I have discovered he did actually <a href="http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/0039/00390864.pdf">get on a train on 11 January 2012, between Edinburgh and Glasgow</a> (the only train he caught all month). So, in a technical sense he may have been truthful, although he definitely arrived at work that morning by limo. Let's say he opted out of "full disclosure" or was selective about the facts. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=10#post-138890 Tue, 07 Jan 2014 19:55:07 +0000 crowriver 138890@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's official: Keith Brown lied when he claimed to have arrived by train at work on the day of the protest on 11 January 2012. He even took the limo back from work.</p> <p>From the ministerial car journeys information on Keith Brown:<br /> 11-Jan-12<br /> Personal Address Parliament<br /> Parliament Personal Address </p> <p><a href="http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/0039/00397944.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/0039/00397944.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=10#post-138871 Tue, 07 Jan 2014 18:35:38 +0000 chdot 138871@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> @SustransScot: 2 days to go til @scccoalition’s #wanttoseedouble deadline. Ask @johnswinney to double the cycling and walking budget </p> <p><a href="http://t.co/D57HiWwPoG" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/D57HiWwPoG</a></p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=10#post-131124 Fri, 01 Nov 2013 21:46:45 +0000 Cyclingmollie 131124@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Your photos crowriver were funny - I hadn't thought of it from that point of view at all.</p> <p>I meant they represent two less cars. I feel we shouldn't denigrate cyclists who wear lycra, helmets, hi-vis etc. because every cyclist is less of a danger to me <em>on the roads</em> than every driver. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=10#post-131116 Fri, 01 Nov 2013 20:07:10 +0000 crowriver 131116@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was thinking more of their policies than their personal safety awareness. What are they doing in their jobs to resolve the problems cycling faces? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=10#post-131088 Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:15:05 +0000 Cyclingmollie 131088@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>They both look pretty safe to me. Definitely part of the solution. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=10#post-131086 Fri, 01 Nov 2013 16:49:05 +0000 crowriver 131086@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yeah, I can see these two are part of the solution:</p> <p><img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BNcmOyXopYc/TMfIvkVvsrI/AAAAAAAAASA/YcPz35_CwnI/s1600/David+Cameron.jpg"></p> <p>(Hi viz/reflective but NOT WEARING HIS HELMET SHOCK)</p> <p><img src="http://www.clydegateway.com/images/keith_brown.jpg"></p> <p>(Helmet, hi-viz trouser clips, "Er.....how does this thing go again?") </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=10#post-131073 Fri, 01 Nov 2013 15:38:12 +0000 Cyclingmollie 131073@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>No cyclist, whatever they are wearing, is any part of the problem. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=10#post-131072 Fri, 01 Nov 2013 15:20:42 +0000 i 131072@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ <strike>Fimm</strike> <strong>Focus</strong> (facepalm, sorry)</p> <p>I think it boils down to what you should wear when making a political point by turning up to these events. For me, that would be what you'd wear in an Dutch environment. Thats an ethical dilemma, should you show your true selves or show an ideal? </p> <p>Meanwhile back in the real world UK, I go by my wits, hi-vis and helmet cam. I sympathise Min =) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=10#post-130966 Thu, 31 Oct 2013 21:03:53 +0000 chdot 130966@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.spokes.org.uk/wordpress/2013/10/seeing-double" rel="nofollow">http://www.spokes.org.uk/wordpress/2013/10/seeing-double</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=10#post-130752 Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:01:30 +0000 Min 130752@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting how some people can look at a photograph and see only hi-viz and helmets. When I look at the photograph I can see that hardly anyone is wearing either. Does this prove cyclists are much more visible if they wear them?</p> <p><em>I like Ghandi's quote “Be the change you want to see in the world.” So the Dutch norm seems a good thing to aim for.</em></p> <p>Unfortunately we do not live the in Netherlands, we live in a country that is full of driver who "didn't see" us and with a justice system that lays all the blame on the victim. People are just trying to stay alive. I don't think there is any need to condemn them for doing so. IMO. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=10#post-130751 Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:45:33 +0000 chdot 130751@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> - In a culture which accepts hi-viz wearing as normal and desirable, what is the effect on the safety and well-being of cyclists and pedestrians generally? </p> <p>" </p> <p><a href="http://www.citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11513" rel="nofollow">http://www.citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11513</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=10#post-130743 Thu, 31 Oct 2013 05:24:23 +0000 Focus 130743@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ <strong>I</strong></p> <p>I think you meant @ Focus ;-)</p> <p>But you're welcome for the views. I'll give you the rucksack/backpack, but whilst panniers are "normal" for cyclists" they are (very obviously) almost entirely cycle-specific, unless perhaps you are a pony express riders in a timewarp from the 19th century! ;-) It was just my (only semi-serious) way of saying it's tricky to be totally "normal" (i.e. non -cyclist) on a bicycle! :-D </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=10#post-130740 Thu, 31 Oct 2013 01:30:25 +0000 i 130740@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Fimm</p> <p>You make a good point. There is the cycle journey to the event that justifies what people wear. (I always cycle in my jeans in town =) </p> <p>Removing hi-vis bibs is quite easy, anything more is inconvenient true. I'd argue that panniers or rucksack is quite normal. </p> <p>I like Ghandi's quote “Be the change you want to see in the world.” So the Dutch norm seems a good thing to aim for. (Not always practical in the UK I know)</p> <p>I guess the ideal is for a picture to say "oh there's some people wanting better roads" instead of "oh that's a bunch of cyclists". Its not something to impose on people but I thought its worth thinking about it. So thanks for sharing your views. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=10#post-130727 Wed, 30 Oct 2013 23:19:40 +0000 chdot 130727@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Last time -</p> <p>"<br /> Oh, Friends Of The Earth estimate around 350 people turned up to the protest, which sounds about right, it was quite a big crowd. </p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&amp;page=4#post-52603" rel="nofollow">http://www.citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&amp;page=4#post-52603</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=9#post-130705 Wed, 30 Oct 2013 21:13:52 +0000 chdot 130705@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/10577236805/"><img src="http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2823/10577236805_87485770bf.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/10577236805/">Cross party coalition</a></p> <p> <a href="https://www.twitter.com/JimEadie_msp">@JimEadie_msp</a> <a href="https://www.twitter.com/AlisonJohnstone">@AlisonJohnstone</a> <a href="https://www.twitter.com/claudiabeamish">@claudiabeamish</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=9#post-130695 Wed, 30 Oct 2013 20:16:36 +0000 crowriver 130695@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There was a link from that article to <a href="http://departmentfortransport.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/is-this-worth-repeating-again/">this one</a>, which I find both inspiring (looking back at Spokes' achievements) and vaguely depressing (just how slow the pace of change has been in 35 years!). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=9#post-130691 Wed, 30 Oct 2013 20:01:02 +0000 chdot 130691@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=mD_rV4Onk3Y" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=mD_rV4Onk3Y</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=9#post-130688 Wed, 30 Oct 2013 19:24:05 +0000 minus six 130688@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>They'll be getting the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Intelligence_Team">FIT Team</a> out next </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=9#post-130687 Wed, 30 Oct 2013 19:08:52 +0000 chdot 130687@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yeah doubles -</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/10577313665/"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7340/10577313665_ca4e95d64a.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/10577313665/">8</a></p> <p>Click for <em>more</em>.</p> <p>Photo taken after most 'protesters' had left! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=9#post-130686 Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:48:21 +0000 stiltskin 130686@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I sometimes wonder whether people who seem to be claiming that helmets and cycling gear put 'normal' people off from cycling are actually just showing their own prejudices. If you are inordinately sensitive to people wearing helmets then a gathering of people wearing helmets is a BIG DEAL, but I suspect most people would just think 'that's a bunch of cyclists'. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=9#post-130685 Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:33:21 +0000 Focus 130685@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ <strong>i</strong></p> <p>The problem with that article is that for many regular cyclists, specialist clothing <em>is</em> normal clothing. I never go out on my bike wearing jeans (for example) unless it's a race to get to the post box before the collection time.</p> <p>I just wear what's comfortable and practical <em>for me</em>. You could argu that cycling possibly has many more clothing styles that any other activity. Motor racing aside, driving had almost no specialist clothing (gloves aside), and the same goes for (urban) walking unless you're dressed for an event you're going to.</p> <p>Knocking cycling-specific glasses is getting a bit silly. I always wear a helmet when cycling so I'm not about to stop just because it's a low-speed event - it might even be easier to have a tumble when lots of people are tottering along at &lt; 5mph! Most of my cycling jackets are hi-viz because when the weather gets foul, it's hardly surprising that I also want to be more visible..</p> <p>But back to my point, the majority of keen cyclists wear some form of cycling-specific clothing, whether that's lycra, mtb gear, "courier-chic", caps and woolly jumpers or whatever, so I think any photograph of cyclists en masse or illustrating an article is likely to create or embrace one stereotype or another.</p> <p>That article even suggests changing into "ordinary clothes" once you get to a protest etc. Apart from finding somewhere to change, you then accept a stereotype that the cyclist will have panniers or a backpack. Can't win! :-D </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=9#post-130677 Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:09:20 +0000 i 130677@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Seeing those photos made me think of <a href="http://departmentfortransport.wordpress.com/2013/01/22/cyclists-you-have-an-image-problem/">this</a>. I'm not wanting to get at anyone personally and I do think highly of those who managed to attend. =) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=9#post-130644 Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:52:52 +0000 algo 130644@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>view from lurking at the back... nice to meet CCE folk there.</p> <p><img src="http://www.algorhythmical.co.uk/scc2.jpg"></p> <p><img src="http://www.algorhythmical.co.uk/scc1.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=9#post-130641 Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:47:54 +0000 crowriver 130641@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I couldn't make this one as I was attending a meeting.....of my son's primary school Eco Group. The irony is not lost on me. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=9#post-130637 Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:40:35 +0000 chdot 130637@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/10574551515/"><img src="http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5516/10574551515_c0eb5364e3.jpg"></a></p> <p>About 200. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=9#post-130621 Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:42:31 +0000 minus six 130621@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not the biggest of turnouts it must be said</p> <p>Couple of suits smirking from behind a window </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=9#post-130609 Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:38:44 +0000 cb 130609@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/more-cash-for-scottish-cyclists-walkers-call-1-3164379">http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/more-cash-for-scottish-cyclists-walkers-call-1-3164379</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=9#post-130599 Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:09:28 +0000 kaputnik 130599@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I'd been wondering how you'd avoided toe-strike on your front wheel with those shoes</em></p> <p>Only cycling in straight lines...</p> <p>Actually bike has particularly poor front clearance so you get used to positioning your feets in a certain manner depending on direction and tightness of turn. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4718&page=9#post-130596 Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:04:23 +0000 DaveC 130596@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>[tougueInCheek]With all this 'traffic' on clothing, is there some sort of dress code? I'd hate to be turned away due to inproper cycling clothing...[/tougueInCheek] </p>