http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Hand-built and production cycles, born out of Scotland" en Sun, 19 Apr 2026 04:01:12 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-109711 Mon, 06 May 2013 12:37:09 +0000 chdot 109711@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/business/opinion/cycling-firm-reaps-the-rewards-of-bespoke-approach.20969468" rel="nofollow">http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/business/opinion/cycling-firm-reaps-the-rewards-of-bespoke-approach.20969468</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-75728 Sat, 23 Jun 2012 23:46:39 +0000 chdot 75728@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Shand Cycles (@shandcycles)</p> <p>23/06/2012 23:37</p> <p>Some pics from when Dave and Angus from @The5thFloor came to visit bit.ly/KFrGoj</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-50762 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:59:17 +0000 druidh 50762@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>... though better to go when prices are down? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-50603 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:03:47 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 50603@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hmmm, I cam across Shand cycles a couple of years back and thought it looked a nice operation. May well wander by when they've got prices up... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-50585 Sun, 18 Dec 2011 23:32:16 +0000 Smudge 50585@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@MGJ, I'd love to see them succeed as well, and I appreciate some of the costs/difficulties in an enterprise like that. I just worry that they're pricing themselves out of the market before they've started. :-/ I'll be delighted to be proven wrong though. Would be great if they can make a go-er of it.</p> <p>@Kaputnik, you're not helping my efforts towards self restraint and economy ;-)) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-50583 Sun, 18 Dec 2011 23:15:08 +0000 kaputnik 50583@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Combo Shimano Tiagra-Sora-105 (Tiagora05) componentry all works perfectly on the Dawes. The newer ones even have luxury of threadless steerer / aheadset. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-50582 Sun, 18 Dec 2011 22:42:07 +0000 mgj 50582@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Know him through a friend and he's a lovely guy, and hoping he can make a proper living from this now rather than having to fit it around IT contracting IIRC. Sadly I dont think I'll ever wear out my Marin frame (now there's a challenge). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-50579 Sun, 18 Dec 2011 22:02:44 +0000 Smudge 50579@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well if you see something similar (which will take Shimano 105 componentry) to fit a 5'5" shorthouse with a 29" inside leg be sure to let me know! ;-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-50577 Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:58:01 +0000 kaputnik 50577@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Or eBay random bargains! My Audax 531 "super competition" frame was ex-display 1997 vintage and £200 including headset and a nice pair of 3TTT ergonomic bar / stem combo. I admit I had been pricing up Bob Jackson / Dave Yates type steel "clubman" frames when it popped up and I decided IT MUST BE MINE.</p> <p>I actually made an eBay miscalculation and lost the auction, however man who won it got in touch when it arrived and said he thought he was getting a heavy touring bike and did I still want it. He lived not far from me so I was happy to swap my £200 for his unwanted frame. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-50573 Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:46:00 +0000 Smudge 50573@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've seen it said that Thorn frames are made in Tiawan, my understanding (as per the link) is that Bob Jackson and Mercian both make their frames in house. There are some other small operations down south I understand doing similar (though no doubt the two relatively big names mentioned enjoy some economies of scale).<br /> With the best will in the world I think personally I couldn't ever justify upwards of £1k on an off the shelf steel frame, I'd have to think very long and hard (even if I could afford it!) even on a custom steel frame when the opposition is established gets good reviews and is half the price :-/ </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-50571 Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:12:31 +0000 crowriver 50571@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>According to this, the 'production frame' will be £1100-£1300 for frame and forks, depending on the model:</p> <p><a href="http://www.shandcycles.com/2011/11/11/production-frame-update/" rel="nofollow">http://www.shandcycles.com/2011/11/11/production-frame-update/</a></p> <p>A bit pricey<strike>, but then the Bob Jackson frames are (I believe) made in Taiwan</strike>. I presume the Mercian non-custom frames are built in England, and <a href="http://www.bobjacksoncycles.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=28&amp;products_id=495">it seems the Bob Jackson ones are too</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-50569 Sun, 18 Dec 2011 20:48:37 +0000 Smudge 50569@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Getting back on topic for a moment (I know, sorry!) the frames look loveley, and I like the local aspect, but I've seen elsewhere online a price of "from £1200" for a steel custom build.<br /> Whilst a custom build will always be more expensive, are the off the peg ones going to be able to compete with the likes of Bob Jackson (£465 for am audax club frame and forks, which I have to confess I'm *very* tempted by! <a href="http://www.bobjacksoncycles.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=28&amp;products_id=45" rel="nofollow">http://www.bobjacksoncycles.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=28&amp;products_id=45</a> )<br /> Or indeed a Mercian <a href="http://www.merciancycles.co.uk/frames/25/audax-special" rel="nofollow">http://www.merciancycles.co.uk/frames/25/audax-special</a> )<br /> Of course those on a tighter budget could pick up a Surly pacer frameset for around £350 iirc, there are even carbon framesets appearing in the back of the glossies a chunk under £1k, now I know that they (the carbon cheapies) wont be best quality, but it's a competitive market, and the Shand off the peg frames need to be affordable as well as good to break in imho.</p> <p>All that said, I'd be *delighted* if they were to start producing a direct equivalent to the Bob Jackson/Mercian, but Scottish :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-50567 Sun, 18 Dec 2011 20:06:55 +0000 Smudge 50567@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Kaputnik, Good Lor' no! If there were no job too big or small for the LHT, then I wouldn't need my MTB, Roady bike or folder would I... no no, that way madness (and severe curtailment of the fleet) lies ;-)</p> <p>No trailers required, it already can have large &amp; small ortliebs, large bar bag and carradice on it as well as space on the rack for more odds and ends, if more gear that that has to be dragged up the hill to home then I'm afraid one of the motorised vehicles will be pressed into service.<br /> Much as I love the bicycle, I'm too often riding on unlit country roads in company of ar.... erm, "ne'er do wells" in cars to risk towing a young 'un in a trailer round here :-/ </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-50546 Sun, 18 Dec 2011 13:46:11 +0000 kaputnik 50546@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Smudge you mean you haven't already explained (a hundred times before) that there is no job too big or too small for the LHT?</p> <p>I assume you've already been eyeing up <strike>limbers </strike>- er - trailers, perhaps in a nice shade of olive drab? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-50538 Sat, 17 Dec 2011 22:56:55 +0000 Smudge 50538@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Crowriver, yup, already been asked if a child seat would fit one of my bicycles or if I would need <em>another</em> bike lol (the answer was yes, the Surly can get a coxswean seat when the time comes :-)) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-50528 Sat, 17 Dec 2011 20:25:18 +0000 crowriver 50528@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>assuming the coming smudgeling doesn't absorb all spare cash for the next 20 years</em></p> <p>There is that. Be prepared for your cycling budget to take a hit! Mind you, one can acceptably divert funds towards sprog carrying equipment for bicycles. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-50520 Sat, 17 Dec 2011 19:47:52 +0000 druidh 50520@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A friend of mine is currently having a cross/tourer/winter bike made up. I'll get some photos posted when it appears (in the new year) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-50500 Sat, 17 Dec 2011 16:41:59 +0000 Smudge 50500@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>interesting, and not far from home either... I could be very interested in a roady/audaxy type frameset for my OCR to morph into, assuming the coming smudgeling doesn't absorb all spare cash for the next 20 years :-/<br /> Have done the survey and volunteered to road test just in case anyway :-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-50489 Sat, 17 Dec 2011 15:13:25 +0000 crowriver 50489@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Nice. Alas the pictures on their official site only show the <strike>road</strike> cross frame. Spec on the Allroad looks very interesting for an Alfine hub bike project... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-50488 Sat, 17 Dec 2011 14:56:56 +0000 custard 50488@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>very cool! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-50486 Sat, 17 Dec 2011 13:40:27 +0000 Arellcat 50486@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/shandcycles/5532545083/in/photostream">Look at the <em>size</em> of that thing!</a></p> <p>And that's some <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/shandcycles/6176186292/in/photostream">smooooth tubing joining</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-50480 Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:46:26 +0000 LaidBack 50480@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting.</p> <p>They've been busy since 2003. Looks like they have some great skills<br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/shandcycles/">Shand Cycles photostream</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4744#post-50477 Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:58:09 +0000 chdot 50477@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.shandcycles.com/about" rel="nofollow">http://www.shandcycles.com/about</a></p> <p>"Join our <a href="http://www.shandcycles.com/contact/">mailing list</a> if you wish to be kept up to date on what we're doing and you'll be the first to know when our frames go on general sale." </p>