http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Blacklist en Tue, 19 May 2026 13:05:57 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991&page=2#post-70651 Wed, 16 May 2012 11:27:52 +0000 wingpig 70651@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Bunzl hygiene supplies vans have demonstrated a distinct lack of awareness and care around the Lothian Road area with depressing regularity. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991&page=2#post-57547 Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:56:02 +0000 Its_Me_Knees 57547@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Can I nominate the Biffa waste management trucks that rocket along Lauriston Farm Rd to/from their facility on the shore at Granton? On hearing a truck approaching me from behind at speed last night, I pulled in to the kerb rather than pass the parked car in front of me. Just as well I did as a Biffa truck, comfortably exceeding the speed limit, shot past me and the car, with less than a couple of feet between it and the stationary vehicle. Had I not pulled up... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991&page=2#post-55729 Sat, 04 Feb 2012 20:25:21 +0000 crowriver 55729@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Darkerside, there's a web form for contacting First Glasgow. I think you should contact them!</p> <p><a href="http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/glasgow/help_contact/contact_us/" rel="nofollow">http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/glasgow/help_contact/contact_us/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991&page=2#post-55723 Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:43:29 +0000 recombodna 55723@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ha ha ha Yeah I cycled past that a few weeks ago!!! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991&page=2#post-55721 Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:09:03 +0000 splitshift 55721@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@recombodna<br /> Sorry its been sold, it was a pick up, used by tree surgeon for his work, was very hard worked ! chassis was plated and plated and plated !<br /> If transits are your thang then theres a sorry looking Mk 11 lying in a field near peebles, twin wheeler, engine unkown, got a cherry picker poking through the roof !Plastic front, no glass or lights ! How brave are you ?<br /> scott </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991&page=2#post-55084 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:41:16 +0000 splitshift 55084@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@recombodna<br /> Does it have to be a van ? I know of someone who was trying to get rid of a transit pickup county,not sure of the age but I THINK it was a new generation/smily front. I will check.<br /> Ex MOD surplus sites....mmmm<br /> 6x6, or even 8x8 articulated foden fuel bowser ! Every home should have one, or two !<br /> scott </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991&page=2#post-55079 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:01:11 +0000 Darkerside 55079@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>First Bus Glasgow have a driver on their books who managed to left hook me yesterday from a right turn only lane. <a href="http://www.darkerside.org/post/16770229329/lefthookfirstgroupglasgowbus?576bbce8">Amused I was not</a></p> <p>City Sprinter may be getting competition in the game of 'bus companies I avoid' </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991&page=2#post-53241 Mon, 16 Jan 2012 15:53:44 +0000 kaputnik 53241@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikeyface/6705777507/in/contacts/">Bikeyface cartoons it well</a></p> <p>@Greenroofer I could be wrong, but I think the CET has a rearward-firing rocket powered winch anchor for hauling itself out of tight corners (or dispensing with w*** tanks) . Or actually I think it's at the front? You never can tell which is front and which is back. I think the back is the end with the bucket excavator. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991&page=2#post-53145 Sun, 15 Jan 2012 21:04:14 +0000 Greenroofer 53145@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>While we're on the topic, you probably wouldn't have to negotiate <strong>too</strong> hard with the Chelsea Tractor behind you if you wanted to take primary at the traffic lights when in one of these:<br /> <a href="http://www.mod-sales.com/direct/vehicle/,37,/35549/CET.htm">http://www.mod-sales.com/direct/vehicle/,37,/35549/CET.htm</a></p> <p>I imagine the MPG you get probably isn't outstanding, though... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991&page=2#post-53137 Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:17:13 +0000 Its_Me_Knees 53137@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Back in the day, I had a work colleague who did indeed buy a (half-tracked) APC from the MOD. Had to get a permit from the Met police to drive it through the centre of London to his house, and was restricted to doing it on a Sunday morning. Parked it outside his house in Bellingham. Bet the neighbours <em>loved</em> him... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991&page=2#post-53135 Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:39:42 +0000 Nelly 53135@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Smudge, exactly - I have just had a bad week with these chumps (and agreed, its the people behind the wheel, as lothian buses seem to be able to negotiate the streets reasonably well)</p> <p>@recombodna - have a look at this site <a href="http://www.mod-sales.com/direct/vehicle/related/34092/FV_432_MK_2.htm">Ex-MOD</a> they have some incredible stuff - imagine driving this beauty to work - what fun for £4500!!! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991&page=2#post-53134 Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:23:40 +0000 recombodna 53134@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I love an old landy. Been on the lookout for a 4x4 mk5 transit county for years but they're Like hens teeth in good nick. Just have to stick to 2 wheel drive. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991&page=2#post-53132 Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:18:00 +0000 Smudge 53132@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@kaputnik, lol, Harsh... but... ;-)</p> <p>@Nelly, yup I'd agree that we mostly agree, however I would still quibble over your statement "'large' 4x4s are a menace in the city", at times I drive vehicles considerably larger than even the most bloated 4x4's in the city, (some of them also 4x4!!) and I believe (hope!) that I do so without being a "menace" to pedestrians or cyclists. once we have a little one there may well come a time when I take my own Landy into the city if swmbo has the car and I need a four wheeler for whatever reason.</p> <p>It's not the vehicle which is a menace, (although some require considerably more care than others to use safely) it's the loose nut behind the wheel... ;-)</p> <p>Lastly, yes, like for like 4wd will normally use more fuel, however a sympathetic driving style will make far more difference and worry more vulnerable road users less... it's back to that loose nut again! (and selectable 4wd helps, mine in 2wd with the hubs unlocked for instance)</p> <p>I have to say that it's one of the things I love about this forum, we can have this sort of conversation without people being rude and overly stressed :)<br /> Diversity is good! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991&page=2#post-53131 Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:05:25 +0000 kaputnik 53131@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Can we change the term "4x4" to "Chelsea Tractor" please? </em></p> <p>Or W*** TANK, as suggested by Christopher Brookmyre. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991&page=2#post-53130 Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:03:06 +0000 Nelly 53130@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Smudge, I have no problem with LandRovers - my neighbour has one, and I covet it !</p> <p>I dont think we are disagreeing about much, cars are massive compared to a number of years ago, and clearly Edinburghs roads are the same size they always have been - something in that equation has to give, and sadly it is usually the room given to us.</p> <p>I do, however, stand by my argument that 'large' 4x4s are a menace in the city and they are simply not required.</p> <p>p.s. Any 4x4 variant of any car, any fuel is always more thirsty than the 2 wheel drive variant. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991&page=2#post-53128 Sun, 15 Jan 2012 17:43:17 +0000 alibali 53128@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Which just goes to show how bloated modern vehicles have become!"</p> <p>Ain't that the truth. For various reasons a BMW 2002tii (the car that morphed into the 1st 3-series) has been in my drive next to a Toyota Yaris (a small hatch). The Yaris is taller, wider, heavier and within an inch or two of the length of the BM.</p> <p>No wonder the roads are crowded and there isn't much room for bikes.</p> <p>A line up of a "real" Mini and Fiat 500 next to the modern looky-likey confections would be interesting! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991&page=2#post-53127 Sun, 15 Jan 2012 17:28:22 +0000 Smudge 53127@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>and the "classic" 4x4 (as opposed to Chelsea Tractor in my undoubtedly biased opinion ;-)) is approx 1.6m wide and 3.6m long (My swb S3)<br /> Which just goes to show how bloated modern vehicles have become! ;-)</p> <p>A quick google shows a BMW 550i is:<br /> Length4899 mm - 16'1"Width1860 mm - 6'1" - exc. mirrors<br /> and does about 20mpg round town, of course if we can't stretch to a 5 series and old XR4i Ford is still a little wider than a Landrover at 1.7m wide and considerably longer at 4.4m long.</p> <p>My point is this, I don't disagree that SOME 4x4's are fat, pointless and un-necessary... but just because a proportion of their drivers are unable to manouvre them with consideration does not mean they are inherently a bad thing. Nor are they automatically bigger and / or thirstier than "conventional" cars. Life is simply not that black and white. I have relatives who have a Diahatsu Terios, a tiny little, very manouvreable 4x4 with a small petrol engine. I know another person with a *large* BMW saloon, I know which I consider the most wasteful!</p> <p>I do understand the point, and the frustration/fear caused by idiots misusing probably unsuitable vehicles. But to suggest that one particular type, in this case "4x4's" are more guilty than others is to fall into the stereotyping beloved of the daily rags, and we don't like it when we are all classed by the actions of the worst cyclists... why should we do it to others?</p> <p>Hence why earlier in the thread my intention was to indicate that I had experienced a larger than usual number of council bin lorries being badly/aggressively driven, NOT to suggest that ALL their drivers do so. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991&page=2#post-53125 Sun, 15 Jan 2012 16:08:10 +0000 Nelly 53125@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>they (chelsea tractors) are no worse than large "executive" cars</em>"</p> <p>Depends what you mean by worse, I was thinking about dimensions really, the drivers inability to judge, and the blinking room they take up. </p> <p>Lets say Audis are your particular executive bag - these are the dimensions from their website:</p> <p>Audi Q7 Pointless 4x4 poseur - 2177 x 5089<br /> Audi S4 Quattro Avant(estate)- 2040 x 4719<br /> Audi A4 Saloon - 2040 x 4701<br /> Audi A5 Coupe - 2020 x 4650</p> <p>Chelsea tractor is around 6 inches wider and about 12 inches longer than the others (!), one of which is a pretty bling but practical 4x4 estate car. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991&page=2#post-53123 Sun, 15 Jan 2012 15:23:29 +0000 Smudge 53123@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Can we change the term "4x4" to "Chelsea Tractor" please? Reason being, there are quite a few saloons/people carriers/hatchbacks with 4wd who escape the broad brush..., also they (chelsea tractors) are no worse than large "executive" cars, and finally, though tall, the "best 4x4xfar" is shorter and narrower than the majority of modern "normal" cars ;-) it's one of the reasons it's useful off the tarmac'd road in the UK, most of the chelsea tractors are simply too bloated. (and are not for using as 4x4's anyway).</p> <p>Anyway, enough defending my baby, I'm off to ride on the pavement and jump some red lights, must get some more lycra and throw away my lights!</p> <p>;-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991#post-53121 Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:52:41 +0000 Nelly 53121@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Crowriver, I am in danger of going OT here, but they are really starting to annoy me too - I am a pretty confident cyclist, but I got the heeby jeebies yesterday when one of them roared past me at 40 +mph - one of those audi Q7 things - and yet again, it was on one of the south Edinburgh roads taken out of the proposed 20mph pilot.</p> <p>What worries me (for when my son is old enough to be on road by himself) is that some of the drivers simply don't realise how big and wide they are - and drive as if they are in a mini or something.</p> <p>....and its nothing other than keeping up with the joneses - if they wanted a load carrier, get an estate car / van - anything? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991#post-53120 Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:37:12 +0000 crowriver 53120@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh don't get me started about 4x4 drivers. No.1 son and I had to squeeze past a huge monster truck type wagon which had just dropped off kids at music class, then proceeded to try and navigate a very narrow street lined with parked cars. Of course it was beneath the fellow's dignity to stop and give way to a mere cyclist, he had to carry on (albeit slowly) even if it meant nearly brushing my right shoulder. </p> <p>I suppose he was one of those "cyclists shouldn't be on my road" types. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991#post-53118 Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:10:15 +0000 Nelly 53118@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>All numpties who 'require' a 4x4 in town.</p> <p>A walk round the quiet streets of the grange this morning spoiled by these prunes, over revving and astonishingly noisy tyre thump.</p> <p>My wife did remind me that they will, of course, be paying a fortune in fuel, which improved my grumpiness. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991#post-53098 Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:42:24 +0000 The Boy 53098@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>NWH trucks have always terrified me since driving to from france with family as a youngster. Never encountered any on the roads since I took up cycling.</p> <p>This post adds nothing to the debate.</p> <p>I would however like to blacklist any provate hire cab driver who overtook me over the course of 6 months while commuting from Comely Bank to Corstorphine. Even at 10pm and with two lanes to use they seemed unable to give me enough room </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991#post-53095 Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:13:34 +0000 kaputnik 53095@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Dave I used to live up by Ratho at the Bonnington End. NWH lorries seemed to operate out of Bonnington quarry and when empty used to thunder along the road at frightening speeds. I've encountered them heading along Corstorphine Road in town also. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991#post-53085 Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:17:04 +0000 Dave 53085@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"NWH Haulage tipper lorries (Neil Williams Haulage (I think))"</p> <p>I'm not aware of having encountered this company's drivers in Edinburgh, but when Dr Ian Wilson was killed a few years ago it was a Neil Williams Haulage driver who drove over him.</p> <p>The problem with this kind of information is that it doesn't really tell you whether to be extra prudent or not. Is the driver in jail? Out of jail but driving again? Did nothing wrong in the first place, the cyclist had crawled under the wheels of the truck looking for a place to sleep (just to give a broad spectrum of possibilities).</p> <p>It might even be that killing someone in broad daylight has led to Neil Williams Haulage revising all their employment and training rules, so that now in 2011, if a Neil Williams Haulage truck pulls up alongside you at traffic lights, you should actually be less-than-averagely worried? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991#post-53080 Sat, 14 Jan 2012 14:53:26 +0000 Kirst 53080@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>All FirstBus are badly driven? No, the ones resting in the garage are fine. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991#post-53073 Sat, 14 Jan 2012 11:17:03 +0000 ruggtomcat 53073@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Uberuce Im not sure that really applies, as we are just listing firms we have had bad experiences from, its for someone else to take those lists and infer what they like from them. Confirmation bias would be to take the statement 'I was nearly killed by a Firstbus' and use it to confirm the hypothesis that'all FirstBus are badly driven.' which of course it doesn't, but thats how it works. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991#post-53066 Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:01:30 +0000 Nelly 53066@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Chdot, indeed ! My post sounded rather 'crazed vigilante' !!</p> <p>Apologies all, not what I meant.</p> <p>It was simply in case it could not be traced to assist police (as previous searches found it registered in Bradford), however we all know where it is during the day anyway. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991#post-53053 Fri, 13 Jan 2012 23:48:55 +0000 Uberuce 53053@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Con. Fir. May. Shun. Bye. Ass. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4991#post-53033 Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:59:20 +0000 ruggtomcat 53033@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>lovely post gembo. </p>