http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "So lets ride on Hollyrood on the 28th of April" en Wed, 08 Apr 2026 17:36:12 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=3#post-217890 Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:43:07 +0000 kaputnik 217890@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Haven't found the definitive thread for that</em></p> <p>I think it left the threadosphere and headed over to emailspace. I think Sally came up with the definitive idea of naming it something that could be shortened to PoP. My email inbox has been truncated to the end of 2012, so I don't have any of the original planning emails left to check.</p> <p>I seem to recall the naming choice was influenced by the availability of potential twitter handles. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=3#post-217843 Mon, 25 Apr 2016 23:58:38 +0000 chdot 217843@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Where, and when, did it become PoP?"</p> <p>Haven't found the definitive thread for that, but this one contains a lot of 'thinking' -</p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15715&amp;page=9&amp;replies=244#post-217841" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15715&amp;page=9&amp;replies=244#post-217841</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=3#post-217837 Mon, 25 Apr 2016 23:04:23 +0000 ih 217837@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Fascinating, and inspired poetry!</p> <p>Where, and when, did it become PoP? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58744 Wed, 29 Feb 2012 13:06:43 +0000 chdot 58744@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Infrastructure and laws privileging bicycles over cars in The Netherlands, were borne of unique circumstances in the early 1970s: hundreds of children killed on their bikes every year, mass demonstrations, car free Sundays, plus an oil crisis. We can learn from the Dutch, but treating their story as a metanarrative, as though strategies that they employed can be repeated where politics differ, is folly.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://cycle-space.com/?page_id=7792" rel="nofollow">http://cycle-space.com/?page_id=7792</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58737 Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:42:25 +0000 cc 58737@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@sallyhinch that sounds like a great idea. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58734 Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:20:51 +0000 matthew 58734@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sounds good I will be there. I.shall all so pass the word round </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58725 Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:33:58 +0000 sallyhinch 58725@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The Dutch Embassy in the US has been doing events whereby Dutch traffic engineers meet their US counterparts to discuss what could be done for cycling. I believe that was one of the impulses behind the recent Chicago separated lanes (which look nothing like Dutch ones physically but still provide nice protected space for cyclists and were astoundingly cheap compared to the London efforts). Maybe seeing if we could get them do something similar with the Scottish government would be an idea? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58710 Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:10:00 +0000 chdot 58710@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"If that includes better education for drivers, and better enforcement of driving rules &amp; laws, then count me in!"</p> <p>Yes, that was what I was meaning.</p> <p>Some Twitter discussion on 20mph - 'good idea, but not <em>simply</em> the answer' - <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5489" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5489</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58707 Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:54:50 +0000 cc 58707@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Yes - but there have been some traffic planners and, perhaps, campaigners who overemphasise infrastructure changes without thinking so much about 'a bigger picture' including education, enforcement etc. "</p> <p>If that includes better education for drivers, and better enforcement of driving rules &amp; laws, then count me in! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58703 Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:15:49 +0000 chdot 58703@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There's a comment on a copenhagencyclechic post today -</p> <p>"<br /> Anonymous</p> <p>Feb 28, 2012 10:55 AM </p> <p>Haha you must be joking "best behaved",more like now it´s the bike thats the bully ,not the car , it´s not nice being pedestrian in copenhagen! </p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.copenhagencyclechic.com/2012/02/wait-for-it.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.copenhagencyclechic.com/2012/02/wait-for-it.html</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58700 Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:38:17 +0000 chdot 58700@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"the whole point about Dutch infrastructure is that they study what's necessary in the place they're improving and design appropriate and effective ways of making it safe for children, old people and everyone else to cycle there more safely and more pleasantly; they don't just parachute in some alien infrastructure."</p> <p>Yes - but there have been some traffic planners and, perhaps, campaigners who overemphasise infrastructure changes without thinking so much about 'a bigger picture' including education, enforcement etc. </p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5488">The Herald story you linked to</a> is <em>most</em> encouraging where the need to encourage walking and cycling and reduce car use is seen as desirable/necessary to reduce deaths due to air pollution. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58699 Wed, 29 Feb 2012 07:48:07 +0000 cc 58699@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@chdot Not sure I understand you re Dutch infrastructure - don't they study what's necessary in the place they're improving (and design appropriate and effective ways of making it safe for children, old people and everyone else to cycle there more safely and more pleasantly)? They don't just parachute in some alien infrastructure. If we can make Edinburgh a safe and inviting enough place to cycle that the whole population feels it might like to pop down to the shops on the bike - without worry or fear - the job will be done, and Dutch (and other) traffic planners would be well content with that. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58679 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:32:34 +0000 magnatom 58679@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>LOL! I meant to say the futility of driving, not cycling! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58666 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:37:58 +0000 sallyhinch 58666@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>'utility' of cycling rather than 'futility'? I know you've had a couple of visits from the Puncture Fairy, but it's not that bad! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58665 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:19:11 +0000 magnatom 58665@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just thinking, this video (<a href="http://youtu.be/VW0vSPA5-V4" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/VW0vSPA5-V4</a>) or videos like it could help as well. The filtering part not only shows the futility of cycling, it shows that cycling as it stands, on a road like that is not for the masses. I wouldn't expect my kids to do that!! (Mind you, they are only 6, 4 and 2!!) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58664 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:14:47 +0000 magnatom 58664@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I agree that the slogan had issues, I just thought it would get the creative juices flowing. Seems that it has. A song to advertise the campaign could be good. It could go viral! :-)</p> <p>(If some of the correct notes are in the correct places......) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58636 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:41:38 +0000 kaputnik 58636@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Wingpig's poem also works in a Geordie accent </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58631 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:16:35 +0000 Cyclingmollie 58631@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You don't even have to change the words:</p> <p>To a Cyclist (from a driver):</p> <p>I'm truly sorry man's dominion<br /> has broken nature's social union<br /> and justifies that ill opinion<br /> that makes thee start at me<br /> thine poor earth born companion<br /> and fellow mortal. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58626 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:02:57 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 58626@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Pondering Proclaimers songs now as well... ;) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58625 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:02:06 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 58625@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Summa tlike this (lots of wee references in this for my mate who was getting married - we're movie geeks with a similar taste, which account for many, but a few non-movie things as well).</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ze6LgWP9I0&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ze6LgWP9I0&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58624 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:02:04 +0000 wingpig 58624@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You? In front of a camera? The very idea! etc. of course you can. You might need to westcoastify your accent to get the more strained rhymes to work. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58623 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:57:22 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 58623@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ooh that's nice Wingpig... Any chance I could get myself in front of the camera to record that and credit your words? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58621 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:54:12 +0000 wingpig 58621@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thir's loads ay us aal here the dee<br /> Tae demonstrate a bettir wey<br /> Tae gan frae B tae C ae A<br /> Than motor-cars<br /> They've had their way fae far tae lang<br /> Nae gie us oors</p> <p>A cycle teks up far less room<br /> sae disnae choke up half the toon<br /> and disnae grind the tarmac doon<br /> and meks nae soond<br /> A nicer place a toon will be<br /> wie bikes aroond</p> <p>Gie oan yir bike tae Holy Rood<br /> Tae show hae it kin dae yae guid<br /> Tae stuff yirself wi' tasty food<br /> Then bike it aff<br /> Tae claim a car kin dae that too<br /> Wid mek ye laugh </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58617 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:48:47 +0000 Tulyar 58617@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Simples </p> <p>Cycling Delivers</p> <p>and then you can say all the things it delivers as individual or total theme</p> <p>Health<br /> Reliable journey times<br /> Kids to School<br /> Reduced carbon emissions<br /> Fun<br /> Free fix of happiness drugs<br /> A buzz for life......</p> <p>Romance - As quoted by Kate Wollaston MP during Cycling Debate (where's my tandem..) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58616 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:47:21 +0000 kaputnik 58616@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Anth Brilliant! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58614 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:38:00 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 58614@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We need to make a CCE recording of Donald Where's Yer Lycra.... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58613 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:36:32 +0000 Cyclingmollie 58613@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You're on fire today Anth. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58611 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:31:28 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 58611@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Apparently Three Lions was hugely popular in Germany - went to number 1...</p> <p>---------</p> <p>Well, I just come down on my Specialized<br /> I'm not very big but eat loads of pies<br /> The lasses shout as I go by "donald, where's your lycra?"</p> <p>Let the gear wind high<br /> Let the gear wind low<br /> Through the streets on a bike I go<br /> All the lasses shout hello<br /> Donald where's yer lycra?</p> <p>A lassie took me to the time trial<br /> I hadnae raced in quite a while<br /> Over the line I coughed up bile<br /> Cause I was'nae wearin' lycra</p> <p>Let the gear wind high<br /> Let the gear wind low<br /> Through the streets on a bike I go<br /> All the lasses shout hello<br /> Donald where's yer lycra?</p> <p>To wear SKY kit is my delight<br /> I'm never wrong 'cause Brad's always right<br /> But the highlanders would get a fright<br /> If they saw me wearin' lycra</p> <p>Let the gear wind high<br /> Let the gear wind low<br /> Through the streets on a bike I go<br /> All the lasses shout hello<br /> Donald where's yer lycra?</p> <p>Well, I was ridin' on my bike<br /> Passed a BSO ridden by a tyke<br /> Shouted 'Gie ye a race if ye like!'<br /> And I left without my lycra</p> <p>Let the gear wind high<br /> Let the gear wind low<br /> Through the streets on a bike I go<br /> All the lasses shout hello<br /> Donald where's yer lycra?</p> <p>Let the gear wind high!<br /> Let the gear wind low..<br /> Through the streets on a bike I go..<br /> Donald, where's yer lycra..? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58610 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:30:56 +0000 Cyclingmollie 58610@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That's good. Now how about some placards?</p> <p>"Oor Wullie would cycle"</p> <p>"The Broons were green" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5458&page=2#post-58609 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:25:50 +0000 steveo 58609@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>and tomorrow we're at a local school doing our CSR bit on why kids would want to be lawyers....). </em></p> <p>Is that <em>really </em>socially responsible?? :p </p>