http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Drivers saddled with bike lane closing road" en Sun, 17 May 2026 13:04:22 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467&page=2#post-127772 Wed, 09 Oct 2013 21:29:49 +0000 LaidBack 127772@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Think I might have to try this just 'cause it's there. Could be built into a most obscure streets / not Lothian Road tour. On the otherside I have used the lanes beside Lyceum to get up to and beyond Tollcross. One bit involves an almost legal crossing of a one way street. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467&page=2#post-127751 Wed, 09 Oct 2013 16:37:39 +0000 kaputnik 127751@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@wingpig will the council be providing detailed information leaflets in the area to help guide people through their labyrinthine new "facility"? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467&page=2#post-127748 Wed, 09 Oct 2013 16:33:05 +0000 wingpig 127748@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>For anyone wondering what use the addition of cycle-markings along the Canning St - EICC-car-park-entrace section of the WAR could be:</p> <p><strong>A: You can get directly from Morrison St to the WAR</strong>:<br /> Enter the <a href="http://goo.gl/maps/LMIsI">entrance slope</a> into the magic automatic car park (deceased) between SWIP and the EICC/ATRIA extension.<br /> Turn right into the magic automatic car park.<br /> Turn immediately left to join the exit slope.<br /> Turn left at the bottom and proceed west, watching out in every direction for delivery vehicles, until you reach the two-lane exit point to get onto the WAR.<br /> Ride around in a small circle in the left-hand (westbound WAR, so motor-vehicle-only) exit lane until the traffic lights detect you, then escape to the eastbound WAR exit-filter.</p> <p>Alternatively, you could go east to the Sheraton/Conference Square/Exchange Crescent car-park access section and either get onto the WAR/Canning St that way or run up some stairs to either Festival Square or Conference Square.</p> <p><strong>B: You can get indirectly from slightly further east along Morrison St to the WAR</strong>:<br /> Go down <a href="http://goo.gl/maps/BQuEU">Chuckie Pend</a> between Macdonald Cycles and whatever the premises on the other side currently are, as if you're going to go behind the Filmhouse to Festival Square.</p> <p>Beyond the end of the cobbled bit, where the path narrows between a shrubbery and the side of the building on the south side of Festival Square, look for a short desire-line path on the left leading to a small corral of skips and bins. Follow the footway down a slope past the bins, then repeat the steps above for not being flattened by a lorry and extracting yourself from the EICC delivery area.<br /> It would also be possible to go from the WAR to Chuckie Pend by reversing this path after going along the new cycle lane westwards from the Canning St/WAR junction.</p> <p>It doesn't look technically legally possible to go from the WAR to Morrison St by going up the magic automatic car park exit slope as you would be defying the arrows painted on the road. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467&page=2#post-110919 Fri, 17 May 2013 16:20:19 +0000 EddieD 110919@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Um.</p> <p>It's not that bad. I have to confess I have used the WAR during the fun and games at Haymarket as a short cut to the Market on Saturday...my entirely specious justification is that if you get on from the Toucan at Morrison Crescent there aren't any No Cycling signs...and it does save me a lot of time. The bus lane is wide, and cars avoid it, so it feels a lot safer than it probably is. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-110909 Fri, 17 May 2013 14:58:45 +0000 cb 110909@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A perfect place for proper segregation surely? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-110907 Fri, 17 May 2013 14:54:28 +0000 steveo 110907@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I suspect CEC are employing some mobile speed reducing measures.. us. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-110905 Fri, 17 May 2013 14:50:18 +0000 cc 110905@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This is mad - lots of cars go at motorway speeds on that road. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-110902 Fri, 17 May 2013 14:35:09 +0000 steveo 110902@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Where does that take you? Just to the ped crossing? I can see that being a magnet for punishment passes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-110901 Fri, 17 May 2013 14:32:22 +0000 wingpig 110901@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Actual bike lane now painted in. It'll rely on drivers noticing it and shifting a bit further to the right than previously.<br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/wingpig/8747732308/"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7311/8747732308_701e7f87e4_n.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/wingpig/8747732308/">IMAG0848</a> by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/wingpig/">wingpig</a>, on Flickr<br /> The "no bikes, horses or peds" sign is still there. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-110520 Tue, 14 May 2013 19:00:24 +0000 wingpig 110520@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>An unexpected consequence of this is ASLs at the Canning St junction. Initial observations suggest that drivers are not expecting them to be there and are therefore ignoring them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-109480 Thu, 02 May 2013 20:55:06 +0000 gembo 109480@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>No but the big hole that caused my detour one year ago is now another conference centre next to the EICC and the route from Lothian road past all bar one is reinstated, see CHdot post. We were vociferously agitating for return of racks to side of EICC when trialling the new conference centre the other week. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-109441 Thu, 02 May 2013 15:32:38 +0000 Min 109441@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Nope, the entire city centre has not been closed off to all motorised traffic in order to put a wee bit of paint along the gutter like the Scotsman said it would. So that can't be it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-109438 Thu, 02 May 2013 14:41:01 +0000 wingpig 109438@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This might have started...</p> <p> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/wingpig/8702070036/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8113/8702070036_d5b2e7a5d1_n.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-58530 Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:38:46 +0000 LaidBack 58530@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Isn't it bizarre when a bit of cycling infrastructure is built that no-one was asking for or expecting...? Maybe it will be this years surprise hit!</p> <p>Design wise it will have to go some to be as unusable as the zig-zag pram ramp at the WAR crossing. Hopefully it bypasses that. That actually merits a no-cycling sign.</p> <p>Think we should have a basic rule on two way cycle routes that means two bicycles can get by each other ... I know it goes against the low standards of some existing paths (eg North Meadows and the NCN 1 beside A90) but if cycling ever did reach the levels desired these paths would not work. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-58525 Mon, 27 Feb 2012 20:39:37 +0000 gembo 58525@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From the end of the Western Approach Road at Lothian Rd I used to cycle between the Sheraton Hotel and All Bar One through the open Square then on to Morrison St and on to Gardiner's Crescent to access Canal. There is an underground carpark approx 175m down the Western Approach Rd heading West and a right turn just beyond at traffic lights that takes you back towards Canning St and Rutland Sq etc. I cannot picture the existing 95m of whin kerbing. Tried the link to page 13-14 of council document but came up as unavailable.</p> <p>I currently avoid this area as once beyond All BAr One there is a big detour around the building site and you need to get off and push the bike </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-58519 Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:22:09 +0000 kaputnik 58519@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I still can't envisage this lane or understand the point in it and why it's worthy of the £45,000 pounds being spent on it. I'd say "couldn't they make the EICC pay?", but then the council are already paying for most of the expansion there, so it would be a Peter and Paul scenario.</p> <p>I will have to ponder it later on. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-58485 Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:36:36 +0000 wingpig 58485@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is 'Tollcross' more extensive than hitherto suspected, being effectively contiguous with 'the West End' in the Scotchman's lexicon?</p> <p>I expect this lane will be of no advantage to anyone wanting to get from Lothian Road to Canning Street but I wonder if it'll still result in beepings and shoutings to get into the lane? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-58483 Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:30:10 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 58483@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>He speaks a lot of sense whoever he is.... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-58479 Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:22:25 +0000 chdot 58479@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"nice first comment"</p> <p>I assumed you were being sarcastic!!</p> <p>Wonder who the commenter is... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-58478 Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:18:01 +0000 ruggtomcat 58478@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>nice first comment </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-58477 Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:17:15 +0000 Arellcat 58477@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>175 metres is the distance from junction with Canning St west as far as the bridge where Morrison St passes overhead. From Canning St to the 'ridiculous chicane' is about 580 metres.</p> <p><strong>Edit:</strong> Or from Lothian Rd to the car park entrance/exit. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-58476 Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:15:55 +0000 Morningsider 58476@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>As far as I can tell he proposal is to establish a cycle lane from Lothian Road along the Western Approach Road to the basement entrance to the EICC. Details on page 13-14 of this document:</p> <p><a href="https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/D96CDE689E25DADEC28765ECE21A24B9/pdf/09_01314_FUL-TRANSPORT_ADDITION_INFO-905845.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/D96CDE689E25DADEC28765ECE21A24B9/pdf/09_01314_FUL-TRANSPORT_ADDITION_INFO-905845.pdf</a></p> <p>The reason for the new lane is that cyclists would have had to carry their bikes down a flight of stairs to get into the car park if access had to be taken from Morrison Street. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-58471 Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:59:21 +0000 custard 58471@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>the extension that has the road reduced?<br /> was there a Scotsman piece on the buidling works saddling road <u>users</u>? ;) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-58468 Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:58:45 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 58468@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yep, and given it's 175m, and runs from 'Tollcross', I was assuming it's a lane along the bit of road we're already allowed to ride on? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-58466 Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:54:52 +0000 chdot 58466@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Presume it's part of the current new-build extension(?) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-58464 Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:46:57 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 58464@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not sure, I'm trying to place this.... Just where <em>is</em> the EICC access cycleway??? The Fountainbridge/Morrison Circus thingy is a bit far away to be considered that is it not? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-58463 Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:43:09 +0000 kaputnik 58463@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So does this mean one could cycle from Lothian Road to the toucan crossing at the Springside lane which runs between Fountainbridge and Morrison Circus? (The one with the ridiculous chicane at the bottom)</p> <p>I've always wanted to cycle along there. Mainly to have a root about the old railway bridge. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-58462 Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:38:37 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 58462@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Looks likely. I can imagine the Scotsman creating a ridiculous story out of an invitation to tender like that. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-58461 Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:35:03 +0000 cb 58461@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I found this <a href="http://www.tendermatch.co.uk/sample-contract.html?id=151593646">this</a></p> <p>Which states:</p> <p>"West Approach Road to EICC Access Cycleway<br /> West Approach Road to EICC Access Cycleway. The works comprise the following: Removal of 95m of whin kerbing, reinstallation of same to a revised alignment and installation of 45m of new whin kerbing. Removal of 90m2 of existing granite setts, reinstallat "</p> <p>Not sure if it's the same thing... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5467#post-58460 Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:32:24 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 58460@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I can't find any details of this on the council's website (there would normally be a document showing the planned works). As SRD points out, the Scotsman has probably been deliberately ambiguous to get the Clarksonites frothing - it's likely that a single <em>lane</em> is going to be closed, and only while the works are actually carried out. </p>