http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Citycycling Issue 9 is online now! en Mon, 18 May 2026 09:45:33 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525&page=2#post-59237 Sun, 04 Mar 2012 22:14:00 +0000 cb 59237@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just finished wingpig's article (started it on Friday! :p) and also enjoyed the in depth look at the subject.</p> <p>It left me thinking how different people are in terms of their body's ability to cope with the cold or the heat.</p> <p>I can rarely contemplate riding without a jacket on, it's just too cold when you're moving, except on warm summer days.</p> <p>I ride in a work shirt a lot and just about get away with it. I've certainly never ended up looking like wingpig's self portrait photo (eurgh!) My back is the first bit to go and I can't see my back!</p> <p>I'm usually fine until I hit the first bit of uphill then and that's where the sweating will start.</p> <p>But going to work is downhill so it's all good.</p> <p>Another thing: I ride in work trousers all the time; wallet and coins in one pocket and keys in another. I've not had anything fall out and never felt in any risk of that happening.</p> <p>Occasionally I'll lose coins sitting in a car, but never on the bike.</p> <p>Worst thing about office dress on the bike, I find, is slippy soled work shoes. They can actually be a bit dangerous.<br /> These help:<br /> <a href="http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/products/zefal-mini-clips">http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/products/zefal-mini-clips</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525&page=2#post-59110 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 18:58:50 +0000 Uberuce 59110@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Good work, that man and woman and other men and women. I do love me a good bit of citycycling. I'm as happy with wordy as I am with brief, so wingpig's article did the business for me, mostly as a compare'n'contrast to my own experience since I'm not a particularly sweaty person until summer hits and I lose the ability to keep cold due to running out of layers that can legally be removed.</p> <p>Thankee for the positive feedback, chaps and chappesses, I aim to please(apart from people who sell or recommend mountain bikes for road use), although I wasn't expecting Anth to let the goatse reference through. </p> <p>If you don't know what it means already, don't find out. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525&page=2#post-59102 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:49:29 +0000 Smudge 59102@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Great (online) mag :-)<br /> I especially enjoyed Kaputnik's piece about Mrs Burton, an inspirational video too.</p> <p>Us Lads have a lot to try to keep up with :-)) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525&page=2#post-59095 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 16:33:11 +0000 Smudge 59095@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Part way through the artcle and enjoying it a lot, thanks :-)<br /> Incidentally, I do often commute in the clothes I work in (craghoppers and polo shirts generally, since you ask..) at least in part because my route to work hardly involves any hillclimbing but the route home invloves lots (so I can throw my sweaty clothes in the wash when I reach home). I also find heavy traffic not a disincentive, but an incentive to cycle along city streets, my ideal is *just* short of gridlock, keeps the car speeds low and improves my smugness quotient ;-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59092 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 15:53:26 +0000 Instography 59092@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sometimes the only way to deal with lazy over-generalised criticism is to work through all the details that make it wrong. I found the idiosyncratic meanderings a very entertaining diversion from the work I was supposed to be doing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59090 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 15:34:25 +0000 Stepdoh 59090@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>sorry, had to you to little there. :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59089 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 15:24:01 +0000 wingpig 59089@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Fortunately some of this debate is taking place on Twitter, where there is little danger of something being so long that it causes boredom and drifting off after a few letters. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59084 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 14:49:55 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 59084@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The length of wingpig's article is certainly causing some debate! More than the actual contents! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59083 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 14:49:14 +0000 Stepdoh 59083@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks to Uberuce I will forever have the phrase 'goatse your eyeballs' carved onto my brain.</p> <p>Good stuff though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59079 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 14:28:41 +0000 LaidBack 59079@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Will be browsing and reading later... ideal for the laptop when I can get it from the other users...! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59068 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:59:04 +0000 Dave 59068@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think individuality is no bad thing (surely for every person who is turned off by great length, there will be someone who enjoys something expansive, if only for the contrast)?</p> <p>After all, there are millions of people writing about cycling. It needs to have something to make it worth reading over the competition.</p> <p>I like the monthly format for instance, because it means that you can get a good dose of interesting stuff in there, but it's also not over topical (because in the blogosphere, a month old tweet spat is ancient history) which reduces the opportunities for rilement that I something experience reading current affairs! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59066 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:51:17 +0000 wingpig 59066@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Here is not there" is the brief form. I prefer the long way round sometimes. Anth is free to tell me to stop sending him things or to impose word limits if her wishes. I've tried to deliberately shorten sentences and not use too many custom portmanteaux or extrapolated word-forms in these things.</p> <p>I recently tried discussing something with someone through Twitter and was reminded that fewer words sometimes provide more opportunities for misunderstanding, especially if someone is deliberately looking for them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59065 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:46:20 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 59065@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>SRD, it's one of the benefits of 'publishing' online. I never really feel the need to cut anyone, just check for punctuation and so on (and miss square brackets...). I like the personality to shine through. Plus, proper editing what like you do is <em>hard</em>. After all, only the person writing the piece rtuly knows what they wanted to say.</p> <p>I like to balance the pieces though, my brief take on enjoying the speed of the cycle commute (which I posted here initially) has been re-tweeted, which is nice. And kaputnik's words on Beryl Burton are short and to the point. </p> <p>I can see exactly where crowriver is coming from of course, but Billy Connolly would have been nothing without asides, digressions and anecdotes... ;) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59063 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:42:00 +0000 SRD 59063@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Crowriver - Nah. that calls for an editor not a copy-editor. It's been copy-edited, but me thinks it has benefited (?) from an editorial light-hand. I would never let 'my' authors get away with that, but it makes for a distinctive voice/tone, which is nice in this day and age of strict words limits and styles (of which I am a guilty gate-keeper!). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59062 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:40:54 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 59062@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just been re-tweeted with a link to the site by the All Party Parliamentary Cycling Group! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59061 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:39:50 +0000 crowriver 59061@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I have waded through the ginormous article. </p> <p>My comments are that it is very thorough, and the research part is illuminating. However one of the reasons it is (in my estimation) too long is because of all the asides, digressions, anecdotes, and a sometimes exhaustive level of detail.</p> <p>Had I been <strike>copy</strike> editor*, I would have cut the article rather more savagely than has been the case. Perhaps in the process some of the uniqueness, the digression-as-writerly-form and biographical-anecdote-as-memory would have been lost. Instead we would have greater clarity through brevity, which may be a mundane thing to say but is still a key principle to consider.</p> <p>Anyway, well done to all concerned for writing and publishing what is still an interesting and entertaining read.</p> <p>*with thanks to SRD </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59060 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:32:00 +0000 Dave 59060@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I have to be honest, I managed the first page but when I realised quite how long it was, I had to put it on the back-burner (which isn't to suggest that I'm not impressed by this herculean effort, although I still maintain there's such a fundamental cultural divide that most of the smoke and flames is pretty much straw mannish).</p> <p>By interesting coincidence I have done my own little bout of civilised cycling this week (prompted by a certain swap arrangement with Laid-Back-Bikes) and had a drastically different experience, but that's a story for another article, I suspect. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59051 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:57:25 +0000 Roibeard 59051@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm sure I should wait before commenting, but I thoroughly enjoyed the monologue...</p> <p>Nothing like a grin with my morning coffee!</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59047 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:54:17 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 59047@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>... before that Mikael chap reads the article... :-)</em>"</p> <p>Plannign on emailing him tonight - he might like a right to reply. We'll see... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59043 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:33:01 +0000 chdot 59043@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not talking about un/fairness. </p> <p>Just that you chose my pix quite often, but I've hardly put in the <a href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/citycycling/">.CC group</a> or <a href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/cyclingedinburgh/">Cycling in Edinburgh</a> for a while. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59042 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:32:01 +0000 crowriver 59042@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just trying to help! Y'know, before that Mikael chap reads the article... :-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59041 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:26:16 +0000 steveo 59041@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Thought I'd caught the BB tags. Ah well. S'what happens.</p> <p>It's almost as if people read website publications to find coding mistakes rather than for the content... :P Seriously, I could have one single solitary floating square bracket in there and I promise you I will get more emails about that than the subjects within the site. Maybe it's a cyclist thing.</em></p> <p>Sorry... ;)</p> <p>Some people try to be helpful, some people like to show how clever they are. Definitely not a cyclist thing though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59040 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:21:47 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 59040@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In fairness I picked the photos a month ago and more. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59039 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:11:58 +0000 chdot 59039@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> (I do enjoy getting emails from time to time where people think this is a full-on professional venture with a team behind it).</p> <p>"</p> <p>But you've got the whole of CCE behind you (and a few on board).</p> <p>Can't explain why your 3 month gap has coincided with me not adding many photos to various Flickr groups. </p> <p>Must try harder. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59034 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:05:47 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 59034@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thought I'd caught the BB tags. Ah well. S'what happens.</p> <p>It's almost as if people read website publications to find coding mistakes rather than for the content... :P Seriously, I could have one single solitary floating square bracket in there and I promise you I will get more emails about that than the subjects within the site. Maybe it's a cyclist thing.</p> <p>Though I did get one lovely email this morning from someone commenting on the 3 month wait being 'worth it'.</p> <p>It's one of the reasons I gave it up for a while. I'm not looking for little 'you did well' pats on the head, but anyone who has ever run anything online will know how much easier criticism flows than praise (actually, it was one of Dave Hembrow's frustrations, that and spam, that lead to him shutting down his blog).</p> <p>If this was my day job I'd be more concerned about mistakes, as it is citycycling is a blog with an inflated sense of its own importance that I write and edit in snatched hours at the computer in the wee small hours.</p> <p>This issue I'm happy with, given how stressful life has been with work uncertainty, spam attacks on the site, fraudulent stealing of money on the back of that spam attack, incapacitated wife meaning everything around the house is has been done by me for the last 5 weeks... If there are a couple of typos, and a few square brackets, that I have to sort tonight... Meh.</p> <p>(I do enjoy getting emails from time to time where people think this is a full-on professional venture with a <em>team</em> behind it). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59030 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 10:57:59 +0000 wingpig 59030@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>rises. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59028 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 10:57:14 +0000 wingpig 59028@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@SRD Nonsense! I am perfectly capable of writing sufficiently succinctly to contain a complete message within 140 characters when the need a </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59026 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 10:55:19 +0000 crowriver 59026@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Typo page 17!</p> <p>bb tags mistake again.</p> <p><code>As [ url=http://copenhagenize.eu/index/ ]this useful infographic[ /url ] f</code> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59022 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 10:45:21 +0000 SRD 59022@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Wingpig was not made for tweeting was he?! </p> <p>nice stuff! (Uberuce made me laugh! Lots!! Thanks)</p> <p>Popped by Dr Bike yesterday because everyday I said to myself 'i'll lube that chain' and everyday i forget until just too far away from the house to go back and do it. </p> <p>By the time he arrived there were 5 or more of us waiting - all women. Not sure what that says, but we were all pretty grateful that there were people there to do the messy stuff while we popped back to our offices.... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5525#post-59021 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 10:42:40 +0000 amir 59021@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Good stuff, Anth (along with all the contributors). That video from Chile is amazing/alarming. </p>