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CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: See Scotland by Train (exhibition) http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: See Scotland by Train (exhibition) en Thu, 21 May 2026 17:42:15 +0000 chdot on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642&page=2#post-62033 Tue, 20 Mar 2012 12:22:19 +0000 chdot 62033@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ " Ntl Museums Scotland (@NtlMuseumsScot) 3/20/12 11:09 AM Thursday’s free Spotlight talk explores our new exhibition, See Scotland by Train – book your place now! <a href="http://www.nms.ac.uk/our_museums/national_museum/whats_on/adults/talks.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nms.ac.uk/our_museums/national_museum/whats_on/adults/talks.aspx</a> " Roibeard on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642&page=2#post-61791 Mon, 19 Mar 2012 10:18:09 +0000 Roibeard 61791@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @Kaputnik - Efficiency of human v moped It was Dr Yan from "Bang Goes the Theory": <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00q0g8y" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00q0g8y</a> Using 1,000 calories of petrol, the moped managed 140 mpg. Using 1,000 calories of fry up (the breakfast of champions), Dr Yan managed an equivalent of 575 mpg! To make it fair, Dr Yan was on a fully loaded tourer with two wheeled trailer to equal the moped's weight, so I think that an average commuter will be much lighter and have half the wheels... Average speeds were higher on the moped (30 mph), although the bicycle average wasn't quoted... The massive difference was put down to rolling resistance, wind resistance and gear box losses, as the underlying efficiencies of engine and human were described as similar. Robert chdot on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642&page=2#post-61778 Sun, 18 Mar 2012 21:46:30 +0000 chdot 61778@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/6846625144/"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7209/6846625144_a71373f308.jpg"></a> chdot on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642&page=2#post-61777 Sun, 18 Mar 2012 21:36:28 +0000 chdot 61777@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Due to cross Forth Bridge on Saturday about 9:20 - <a href="http://www.uksteam.info/tours/t12/t0324a.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.uksteam.info/tours/t12/t0324a.htm</a> DaveC on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642&page=2#post-61746 Sun, 18 Mar 2012 11:47:43 +0000 DaveC 61746@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Cheers for that Chris, My children loved watching that, many thanks. chdot on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-61737 Sun, 18 Mar 2012 10:03:34 +0000 chdot 61737@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Yesterday <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0DijoaJVj0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0DijoaJVj0</a> . Tractive effort, 32150 lbf (143.0 kN) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BR_Standard_Class_7" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BR_Standard_Class_7</a> Arellcat on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-61734 Sat, 17 Mar 2012 23:44:56 +0000 Arellcat 61734@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I went to the Museum today to see this exhibition. It's quite small, but I enjoyed it a lot, and spent about three-quarters of an hour looking around. One of the paintings I'm sure I saw languishing a few years ago in the window of a slightly dingy and now gone art gallery on Dalry Road. I've only been to the museum twice since it reopened, and the first time was last week. I used to know the layout like the back of my hand when I wanted to look at the dodo or the triceratops skull or the rocks that fluoresced. Now I don't know where anything is! SRD on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-61592 Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:04:16 +0000 SRD 61592@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ oh dear! yes, the new ones are pretty crappy - although that seems particularly bad. I picked up a hardback compilation of the 'original' stories for 50p at a school fete a few years back, purely on a whim - they were not part of my childhood - and they've proved a hit. As a child, I loved Mike Mulligan's Steam Shovel (1939) and Lois Lenski's The Little Train (1940). Luckily my kids do too. wingpig on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-61590 Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:56:36 +0000 wingpig 61590@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ My only experience of a Thomas book is the freebie acquired somewhere recently, which (though it appears to have been written for National Book Week in 2010 rather than being one of the original vicar-derived stories) contains a peculiarly stone-age-tinged story (which somewhat reminded me of Harry Enfield's "<a href="http://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DLS37SNYjg8w&sa=U&ei=KVJjT8LiHYXc8gOVhp24CA&ved=0CBYQtwIwAQ&usg=AFQjCNFNZMcNU_74qKnkscs1xKGy0I-kiw">Know Your Limits</a>" sketch) about an engine with a girl's name (and eyelashes and cupid's-bow lips) who eventually ends up needing assistance from Thomas after trying to do too much on her own and not listening to engines with male names. SRD on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-61587 Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:43:07 +0000 SRD 61587@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "They were silly stupid boys, who thought it would be fun to drop stones down his funnel. Some of the stones hit Henry's boiler and spoiled his paint, one hit the fireman on the head while he was shovelling coal and others broke the carriage windows." arellcat - want to come pver one night around 8pm and read that? I'm getting a bit tired of it. also 'thomas goes fishing' and the one about the silly policeman from the city who wanted to put a cowcatcher on thomas... Arellcat on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-61585 Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:39:44 +0000 Arellcat 61585@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "They were silly stupid boys, who thought it would be fun to drop stones down his funnel. Some of the stones hit Henry's boiler and spoiled his paint, one hit the fireman on the head while he was shovelling coal and others broke the carriage windows." And that was in 1951. What goes around, stays around. Now, how about this? <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregwebbphotographer/2245044635/"><img src="http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2371/2245044635_e217eaf093.jpg"></a> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregwebbphotographer/2245044635/">Meccano model of Bennie railplane by Dave Fellows</a> by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/gregwebbphotographer/">Greg Webb Photographer</a>, on Flickr AKen on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-61578 Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:03:54 +0000 AKen 61578@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I shudder to think how much it would cost to take your car nowadays if they still did this. cb on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-61575 Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:53:09 +0000 cb 61575@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Which I guess is better than doing the same thing from a motorway bridge. I remember, as a young lad, seeing cars being unloaded in Inverness station and thinking how cool it was that you could take your car on the train. kaputnik on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-61574 Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:28:45 +0000 kaputnik 61574@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @cb not long after the introduction of Motorail, they had to move the cars into covered wagons as gangs of feral youths apparently found it much fun to wait for the Motorail train to pass under a bridge and drop stones on the cars. kaputnik on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-61572 Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:26:07 +0000 kaputnik 61572@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Ruggtomcat put something on facebook last night about the efficiency of a human turning a fry-up into cycling energy vs. the efficiency of a human riding a moped being fuelled by the equivalent calorific value of petrol. Human on a bicycle was 2 or 3 times as efficient. cb on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-61561 Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:35:50 +0000 cb 61561@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Posters: <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-17380917">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-17380917</a> I like the Motorrail one, showing the family being servered alcoholic drinks, presumably before getting into their car and driving off on their hols. wingpig on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-61556 Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:14:09 +0000 wingpig 61556@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @kaputniq Percentages in the low twenties were being bandied about in the late nineties when I did some physiology. I think they were based on estimated total calorific value of intaked foodstuffs rather than the likely-to-be-absorbed value, so include gastro-intestinal inefficiencies, though I can't remember if that was also accounting for the energy overheads of ingesting and processing the foodstuffs involved. Presumably rubbish human myosin wastes a bit more input energy than it needs to, too. chdot on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-61451 Fri, 16 Mar 2012 09:54:08 +0000 chdot 61451@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Opens today. AKen on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-60551 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 11:33:57 +0000 AKen 60551@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I wonder exactly when in the design process someone piped up and said "You know what this futuristic railplane needs? Stained glass windows." kaputnik on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-60549 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 11:31:16 +0000 kaputnik 60549@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ How effient is the human locomotive at converting the energy contained within bananas / Soreen shovelled into the mouthbox into tractive effort on the pedal? Tulyar on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-60546 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 11:25:29 +0000 Tulyar 60546@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ As the guys with Tornado point out that tractive effort is just 6% of the energy coming from the coal shoved through the firebox hole the rest goes out in what makes steam engines so interesting, noise and smoke. So interesting when you compare what you get per Watt, if you put it in for a bicycle where a human engine burns the fuel and then for any other form of turning combustion into motion. Arellcat - now that's a fine idea for an off-road cycle adventure seeking out the remains of the Bennie Railplane Railway. Mr Schickelgruber had something similar on rails with a propeller in the 1930's Arellcat on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-60520 Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:55:14 +0000 Arellcat 60520@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I've heard tell that in amongst the scrub along <a href="http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=eh1&hl=en&ll=55.931815,-4.31638&spn=0.000989,0.002245&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=15.14217,30.454102&hnear=EH1,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=55.931815,-4.31638&panoid=6BAZQL3yr5kBOtaMwC5bXg&cbp=12,77.48,,0,0.11">this path</a> in Milngavie you can still find the concrete stumps of Bennie's structure. kaputnik on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-60487 Sun, 11 Mar 2012 19:30:39 +0000 kaputnik 60487@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I hope they have... <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennie_Railplane"><img src="http://s4.hubimg.com/u/1667631_f520.jpg"></a> chdot on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-60452 Sun, 11 Mar 2012 00:23:28 +0000 chdot 60452@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <center><img src="http://img2.allposters.com/images/MCG/FF572.jpg"></center> chdot on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-60451 Sun, 11 Mar 2012 00:11:53 +0000 chdot 60451@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <center><img src="http://www.enjoyart.com/library/transportation/trains/large/20th-Century-R783.jpg"></center> chdot on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-60441 Sat, 10 Mar 2012 23:49:40 +0000 chdot 60441@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <img src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ReJPj4_jroM/T0oH6IC9cvI/AAAAAAAAMTg/hhCuBGX7MJg/w508-h259-k/rudge%2B003.JPG"> chdot on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-60439 Sat, 10 Mar 2012 23:13:58 +0000 chdot 60439@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Amazing wot u find on the web - <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJESeO2vkHE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJESeO2vkHE</a> . Note articulated coaches and Beavertail. kaputnik on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-60437 Sat, 10 Mar 2012 23:08:17 +0000 kaputnik 60437@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ A class 43 locomotive (one half of an "125" trainset) has a mere tractive effort of 17,980 lbF . So even 2 of them aren't quite up to 1930s steam power when it comes to a track start! chdot on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-60434 Sat, 10 Mar 2012 22:59:55 +0000 chdot 60434@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "And one of the engines" I think one means locomotives... Arellcat on "See Scotland by Train (exhibition)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5642#post-60430 Sat, 10 Mar 2012 22:10:25 +0000 Arellcat 60430@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I'd agree that it's the Tait Tower. Check out the <a href="http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualmitchell/index.php?a=wordsearch&s=item&key=Wczo2OiJlbXBpcmUiOw==&pg=13">aerial view</a> from the Mitchell Library: <img src="http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualmitchell/image.php?i=12800&r=2&t=4&x=1"> But in the railway poster, look to the left of the tower. The bit that looks like the prow of an ocean liner is in fact the prow of an ocean liner, or at least the Atlantic Restaurant that was made up to look like one, as part of the Empire exhibition. In fact the entire exhibition was a complete frenzy of Art Deco and Streamline Moderne – <a href="http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualmitchell/index.php?a=wordsearch&s=gallery&w=empire+exhibition&Go=Go">full gallery</a>. And one of the engines had a tractive effort of 35,455 lbs, and the other 40,000.