http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Pro-cycling speed limit piece in SOS en Sun, 31 May 2026 21:02:14 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5859#post-62972 Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:07:54 +0000 MeepMeep 62972@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I use old teeshirts to cycle in and the backs of them are often covered by my backpack but I would happily mark in bold on the front of my teeshirt Stepdoh's idea.</p> <p>In fact, I think I shall buy a couple of new cycling teeshirts to mark up. I hope you won't consider this plagiarism, Stepdoh? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5859#post-62837 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:14:55 +0000 Dave 62837@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"the priority should be with reducing anonymity."</p> <p>How exactly would this be done? </em></p> <p>The phone book, but with registration plates instead of numbers?</p> <p>Data's all at the DVLA, maintained at the taxpayer's expense.</p> <p>I'm not suggesting it would be the correct solution, but it certainly /would/ be a solution. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5859#post-62828 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:08:57 +0000 chdot 62828@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"just saw the Think motor bike ad at the weekend"</p> <p>Also -</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/7011078311/"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7186/7011078311_a747338497.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5859#post-62824 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:57:51 +0000 wingpig 62824@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"...the priority should be with reducing anonymity..."</em></p> <p>What if cars had those plates that they have above doors on pubs with the name of the licensee displayed?</p> <p>If I have to wear solar spectacles when cycling I do try to ensure I'm not being adversely affected by the added anonymity. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5859#post-62819 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:45:39 +0000 spytfire 62819@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I like the idea but I would say just get people to use the marker pens on their hi-vis (if they wear them)</p> <p>Also I just saw the Think <em>motor</em> bike ad at the weekend with the big lights on the back of the bikes - this is the way forward :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5859#post-62812 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:26:13 +0000 Stepdoh 62812@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>the priority should be with reducing anonymity.</em></p> <p>Ahh, this is where my 'I'm not a cyclist...' I was discussing on twitter would help.</p> <p>I'd love a day where <strong>every</strong> cyclist in edinburgh/scotland/world wore a teeshirt that said in small letters:</p> <p>"I'm not a cyclist"<br /> then in big letters below<br /> "I'm a"<br /> Then one of<br /> Dad, mum, sister, brother, lover, cop, nurse, firefighter, teacher, person riding a bike. Or Whatever you think, sell cafe press versions, or have a template to make your own. Even with sharpie markers.</p> <p>Main point is to see the "I'm a..." bit and make people think what the hell is going on.</p> <p>Would need Mass, Mass, Mass participation to wkr. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5859#post-62792 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:49:30 +0000 crowriver 62792@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>the priority should be with reducing anonymity.</em></p> <p>How exactly would this be done? </p> <p>Ban tinted windows in cars? Ban car stereos? Licence plates for bikes? ID cards? Everyone forced to have their name tattooed on their forehead?</p> <p>Cities are all about anonymity. It's not a new concern, the Victorians were worried about it too, mainly because of the crime epidemic in the vast industrial cities. That's why we created the police...</p> <p>Read Poe's "The Man Of The Crowd" or Benjamin on Baudelaire's flâneur... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5859#post-62773 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 08:47:22 +0000 amir 62773@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Although I think that 20 mph limits can be a good thing, I would agree with Dave that the priority should be with reducing anonymity.</p> <p>I think there is just a huge problem with awareness: awareness of the needs of others both for safety and to feel safe, and awareness of what is going on around them (the sort of thing that gets taught to "advanced motorists"). [I almost got wiped out this morning by a pedestrian unexpectedly crossing whilst looking the wrong way (foreigner?) - so reactions are also a vital ingredient]</p> <p>As has been stated many times before, this is a people problems rather than a mode of transport but vehicles tend to be the killers in an accident.</p> <p>I have felt for some time that there is little effort to propagate the straightforward messages. Is this because past efforts have failed? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5859#post-62772 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 08:46:57 +0000 Darkerside 62772@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ban any car from having a roof. That'd do it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5859#post-62768 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 08:35:31 +0000 Dave 62768@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The roads *are* adversarial. It's inevitable when a large number of people compete, more or less anonymously, for a limited amount of resource.</p> <p>... which implies that rather than trying to fiddle around with conditions of consumption, it might be more effective just to reduce anonymity on the road? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5859#post-62744 Sun, 25 Mar 2012 22:32:40 +0000 crowriver 62744@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From Claire Black: "The roads feel adversarial, as though it’s everyone for themselves" in Scotland On Sunday:</p> <p>"Since I came a cropper off my bike months ago, I’ve hardly been back on two wheels. I don’t feel safe enough. The roads feel adversarial, as though it’s everyone for themselves as we race to get to wherever it is we’re going. We don’t share the Tarmac, we compete on it. Buses with cars, taxis with vans and all of the aforementioned with bikes.</p> <p>Four cyclists have died in Edinburgh in 12 months. And so a summit was called and a campaign has been launched to change the speed limit to 20mph on residential streets and to 30mph on main urban streets. I hope the Scottish Government backs it. I hope local authorities do too.</p> <p>I know there’ll be naysayers. It’s all very well imagining people will do the right thing behind the wheel and think about other road users and pedestrians as if they’re real people whose lives are precious, but take a look at rush hour: that’s not what happens. A lower speed limit might bring back to mind that it should.'</p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/claire-black-the-roads-feel-adversarial-as-though-it-s-everyone-for-themselves-1-2194628" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/news/claire-black-the-roads-feel-adversarial-as-though-it-s-everyone-for-themselves-1-2194628</a> </p>