http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Meadows Place improvement. Golden Bollard Award. en Thu, 21 May 2026 10:30:28 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613&page=2#post-272334 Sat, 13 Jan 2018 16:21:27 +0000 neddie 272334@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Some better news here (possibly part of the same "improvement"):</p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17876&amp;page=3#post-272333" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17876&amp;page=3#post-272333</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613&page=2#post-272332 Sat, 13 Jan 2018 16:11:09 +0000 neddie 272332@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Looks like the council have decided to waste some money obliterating half of the path. No doubt thanks to some concerned locals. Compare the "new" paint job with the one above:</p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/22mBv3m"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4678/38958305844_0ecb4ff9c6.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/22mBv3m"> </a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/bonsai_bonus/">Ed</a>, on Flickr</p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/DMkMCg"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4699/24798303347_18f951e44b.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/DMkMCg">Untitled</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/bonsai_bonus/">Ed</a>, on Flickr</p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/224YjFk"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4602/38769987905_7a58aa47ae.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/224YjFk">Untitled</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/bonsai_bonus/">Ed</a>, on Flickr</p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/JupNsD"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4608/27888490009_aa50c610ac.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/JupNsD">Untitled</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/bonsai_bonus/">Ed</a>, on Flickr </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613&page=2#post-6207 Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:53:19 +0000 jamesks 6207@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I wrote to the council roads and cycling dept and all the local councillors when they put the bollards in the wrong place. The letter back said that the track was moved to allow the bin lorries to get their grab arm in play to pick up the bins. It also said a 20% turn was acceptable to cyclists. I was not convinced, and sent back a picture of the bollards - a couple of days later they were moved. I must say it was the Conservative councillor who managed to get the response, although the lib dem and the green one also wrote back.<br /> It is clear that the designer had no idea, and probably the workmen made a mistake too.<br /> James </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613&page=2#post-6195 Mon, 26 Apr 2010 23:15:53 +0000 Dave 6195@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Better!</p> <p>It is mortally embarrassing that it can take so many attempts though. Half the problem is that they try to segregate it at all though, when in practice you will often (always?) have to use the full width anyway:</p> <p><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4033/4521210108_451d7eb7e2.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613&page=2#post-6191 Mon, 26 Apr 2010 21:37:51 +0000 chdot 6191@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/4555870096">Latest development - re-aligned the lines.</p> <p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3137/4555870096_0d4e1ff08f.jpg"><br /> </a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613&page=2#post-5574 Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:47:12 +0000 Dave 5574@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's really much better now, although I agree it's a bit odd that they've painted 95% of the walkway for bikes - Friends of the Meadows will be up in arms!</p> <p>I still don't understand why they didn't put half as many bollards in higher up, and keep the garden and paths the way they were. Isn't there anything better to spend money on than that? (red paint for the adjacent lanes on Melville Drive, say?) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613&page=2#post-5515 Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:58:27 +0000 chdot 5515@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>THIS <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/semi-detached/318072857" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/semi-detached/318072857</a> is the sort of chain you want. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613&page=2#post-5512 Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:37:30 +0000 LaidBack 5512@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Right...</p> <p>So they ignored Gembo's chain idea! </p> <p>The owner of the blue Citreon is going to have to drive in from the other end now ;-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613&page=2#post-5394 Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:55:51 +0000 chdot 5394@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"quite tight for a pram to turn"</p> <p>into what? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613&page=2#post-5392 Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:54:22 +0000 gembo 5392@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>quite tight for a pram to turn between the last bollard and the wee fence </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613&page=2#post-5389 Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:50:45 +0000 Kim 5389@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Er, so now it's cycle only????"</p> <p>Well that wasn't what the mother with a pram thought, she insisted in walking right in the middle of the path. Did think of taking a photo, but then decided not. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613&page=2#post-5383 Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:35:45 +0000 recombodna 5383@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Result! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613#post-5379 Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:25:47 +0000 chdot 5379@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Er, so now it's cycle only???? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613#post-5376 Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:21:28 +0000 Kim 5376@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Now the white lines are there</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/49194391@N00/4515181950/"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4018/4515181950_058da804c5.jpg"></a></p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/49194391@N00/4515181966/"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4039/4515181966_7eae4bf260.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613#post-5331 Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:16:59 +0000 chdot 5331@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/4513630739">"Others could be dressed up like a traffic cone"</p> <p><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2401/4513630739_6f8750ba2d.jpg"><br /> </a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613#post-5329 Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:03:06 +0000 recombodna 5329@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Shame I liked that 'rat run' was always handy if you were turning right onto melville drive. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613#post-5324 Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:52:02 +0000 Arellcat 5324@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not that I could possibly condone such action, but in the vein of Guerrilla <strike>Gardening</strike> Painting, wouldn't it be nice if the bollards weren't so stark in their black livery? One of them ought to be painted gold, for a start.</p> <p>Others could be dressed up like a traffic cone, or a bowling pin, or with spiral reflective vinyl like a helter-skelter, or with lovely wood- or marble-effect paint. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613#post-5262 Fri, 09 Apr 2010 21:35:38 +0000 chdot 5262@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I will get a nice photo of Argyle Place"</p> <p>Do you mean Moray Place? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613#post-5250 Fri, 09 Apr 2010 21:10:39 +0000 spytfyre 5250@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I will get a nice photo of Argyle Place - they put in the "removable" red/white barriers when they originally closed Princes St for the trams in case traffic was too heavy for Albyn Place - Queen Street etc. But they were never removed - killed the cyclist route through . </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613#post-5241 Fri, 09 Apr 2010 20:41:45 +0000 LaidBack 5241@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks for all the posts on this subject. I'm now going to announce the winner on another thread... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613#post-5157 Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:05:02 +0000 Dave 5157@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>FWIW I've put together my little video of going home that way (may take a few minutes to process).</p> <p>Really I can't understand why they didn't just put down two or three bollards at either end of the existing constriction - we are supposed to be in a major recession here!</p> <p>[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyU-AgHsh7U][/url] </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613#post-5128 Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:28:01 +0000 LaidBack 5128@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><strong>gembo</strong> <em>can I have a shot on a recumbent tandem if Laidback has such a thing</em></p> <p>I'm afraid I don't. You are the winner so far though!</p> <p>I only have what is on my web site. </p> <p>Was expecting someone to give the bollards the Danny McAskill test. Is is possible to do something with them stunt wise? Could they form part of a bike sculpture in his honour? Or could they be modified to provide bike parking where no-one wants it? </p> <p>I do like the chain idea though! It's the kind of thing that streetscape would approve of too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613#post-5110 Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:01:54 +0000 Dave 5110@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I went home this way yesterday to check it out - it really is madness!</p> <p>All that was needed to close off Meadow Place was the installation of two lines of bollards, one at the existing 'give way' line and another just uphill of the end of the pedestrian/bike crossing. That's it!</p> <p>Instead, they seem to have actually re-aligned the cycle path just to add a couple of bends, and rebuilt two sections of garden to block off the old route. What on earth were they thinking? Didn't Spokes or anyone else see plans before this went ahead?</p> <p>I'd be genuinely fascinated to know how much the closure has cost, compared with the cost of installing two simple rows of bollards. Perhaps good FOI request material?</p> <p>I was caught a little unprepared (can't see David's video here at work) and ended up riding across the 'wrong' side of the bollards and over the pavement on the other side. Obviously it will become car parking so more obvious in the fullness of time.</p> <p>If they dig up and realign the east side of the pavement (tarmaccing over the grass) it might end up OK, or potentially just dig up the bollards and stagger them to align with the existing path, but otherwise it's a bit of a pointless loss of cycling utility.</p> <p>Typical Edinburgh? We are spending £500m+ on a tram line to reduce the number of buses from 519 to 500, after all... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613#post-5083 Wed, 07 Apr 2010 19:44:11 +0000 gembo 5083@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Bizarre that I am pointing this out given my off piste proclivity but if no one else is getting the golden bollard can I have a shot on a recumbent tandem if Laidback has such a thing, my mate who came off at speed and is partially paralysed could go on the front. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613#post-5066 Wed, 07 Apr 2010 15:02:06 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 5066@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh I'll admit I doubt anyone is going to go for the technicality (though the students in my link probably thought that too - if they knew the law around it). But it just smacks of the greater and greater lack of any forethought.</p> <p>"Those cyclists should be glad they've got anything at all, they can make do" is pretty much right!</p> <p>Very model cycling city... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613#post-5065 Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:04:24 +0000 Arellcat 5065@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Technicalities of legalese and statutising aside, I don't expect any cyclists to be cautioned for using the pavement 'the wrong way' as it were. It's a commuting route sufficiently well used by cyclists that, left alone in its current state, would become self-governing anyway. In a tarmacked environment, the creation of desire lines is more from cyclists than walkers, and vice versa.</p> <p>I don't like to be criticising CEC every step of the way, but ... half-finished or half-developed urban modifications seem to be the standard way of doing things nowadays. 'Ok pal, just get the tarmac down and the bollards put in. We'll worry about details later. Those cyclists should be glad they've got anything at all, they can make do.' </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613#post-5064 Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:52:12 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 5064@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just realised I've blown my cover as 'Sue Rider'... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613#post-5063 Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:51:06 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 5063@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>p.s. and as the link shows (he said, relying on his own research and writing) the legal right to drive over a pavement is only for that, to 'drive', not to cycle...</p> <p>It's an oddity. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613#post-5062 Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:49:02 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 5062@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You're allowed to drive over a path to 'access parking'....</p> <p><a href="http://www.citycycling.co.uk/issue53/pavement1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.citycycling.co.uk/issue53/pavement1.html</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=613#post-5061 Wed, 07 Apr 2010 12:55:53 +0000 Dave 5061@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's OK to drive over a footpath, just not along it (this is how you can drive/cycle up onto your own driveway without requiring a shared use designation outside every house). </p> <p>However, it is an offence to ride on the wrong side of a segregated shared facility. Interestingly the path alongside Melville Drive has always been an anomoly, at the Meadows Place end it is signed as segregated, but the give-way markings at the Argyle Place end are on the pedestrian side(!). Coming from the west there is actually no cycle designation signage whatsoever. </p>