http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: ASL stats en Tue, 09 Jun 2026 11:39:02 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253&page=2#post-67092 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:55:43 +0000 gembo 67092@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Saw a chap jump two separate red lights through tollcross today. Caught up with him at Lothian road. Said to him police were fining RLJING. He started on a what lights did I jump, so isaid, it's not me it's the polis, they lifted me last week and warned me and asked to spread the word. He seemed to accept this. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253&page=2#post-67036 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:11:36 +0000 Uberuce 67036@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Caught by a changing light, or forgot you weren't on the bike? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253&page=2#post-67033 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:57:46 +0000 Baldcyclist 67033@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hands held out in readiness for punishment!<br /> Drove in this morning because of a cold, and found myself stuck slap bang in the middle of the ASL at the Doctors pub. Didn't mean to, just kind of happened. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253&page=2#post-67017 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:14:39 +0000 crowriver 67017@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Maybe add a bobble hat, fingerless gloves (non-cycling specific, think Bob Cratchett), and a nice 'Famous Five' (Blyton, not Hibs) style tank top?</p> <p>Oh, definitely grey slip on shoes with white socks too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253&page=2#post-67007 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:51:05 +0000 Darkerside 67007@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Uberuce - don't forget your sandwiches in a bag and little fold out stool </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253&page=2#post-67006 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:48:31 +0000 Uberuce 67006@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'll see about trying a stealthy version, Dave. </p> <p>The downside is it'll require me to be a bearded man hiding in the bushes taking pictures and people might get the torch and pitchforks out.</p> <p>Ooh. I know. I'll pop a bit of tape on the bridge of my old and not-trendily rimless glasses, stand on the the Slateford bridge and wear my cagoule. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253&page=2#post-67005 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:48:16 +0000 cb 67005@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I also think there is an element of many people not caring about, or having any pride in their driving, or not particularly caring.</p> <p>Even when there is no ASL it's rare to see a car stopped on the stop line (same for give-way lines).</p> <p>People typically either:<br /> - stick the nose of their car a metre or more over the line (rubbish/uninterested/uncaring driver).<br /> - stop half a car length before the line (I'm convinced these poeple think they're on the line but they don't know where the front of their car is*)</p> <p>*I'm sure this is a wide spread problem - you see it all the time. E.g. people slow speed manoevering when parking or leaving their car a useless half car space from the end of the double yellow (<em>major</em> pet hate of mine). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253&page=2#post-66994 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:36:13 +0000 Min 66994@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"I wonder if one of the two Uni of Edinburgh cyclists who were thanking the police might be the same person who posted the Lothain Bus video that took the huff when Min pointed out his somewhat anti-cycling opinion (as I saw it)"</em></p> <p>Possibly though what I find interesting is that a number of cyclists did think the Police were doing a good thing whereas apparently none of the drivers did.</p> <p>Perhaps they only want RLJing cyclists stopped on the understanding that they can continue to encroach on ASL and cycle lanes whenever they want? Surely not! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253&page=2#post-66985 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:40:14 +0000 Dave 66985@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I spent just over ten minutes outside Doctor's monitoring ASL compliance last night (around 6pm). </p> <p>One car and one cyclist went through halfway through the red cycle, and a couple of cars encroached into the ASL, but on the whole I was surprised by the compliance rate. Of course, a chap with a camera trained on the line as you approach a red light may have an effect on things! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253&page=2#post-66979 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:03:32 +0000 gembo 66979@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Professing ignorance or a curiosity to figure if the no entry sign except buses applied to cyclists was my defence when I was stopped but there is also ignorance that is genuine.</p> <p>As I said on here after I was 'lifted' - much easier to stop a cyclist than a car so there will be a disproportionate number of cyclists.</p> <p>I think the police exercise is useful, but IO think they are in danger of being biased against cyclists. I wonder if one of the two Uni of Edinburgh cyclists who were thanking the police might be the same person who posted the Lothain Bus video that took the huff when Min pointed out his somewhat anti-cycling opinion (as I saw it) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253&page=2#post-66924 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:04:42 +0000 stiltskin 66924@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>By the way, I think the male/female split of offenders pretty much reflects the ratio of male/female cyclists overall. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253&page=2#post-66923 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:03:02 +0000 stiltskin 66923@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think there is genuinely a lot of ignorance about: I was in the back of a cab chatting to the driver about cycling, with him saying he'd like to get back into it, hadn't had a bike for ages etc. So generally well disposed to two wheels: </p> <p>Guess where we stopped at the next set of lights. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253#post-66897 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:52:02 +0000 alibali 66897@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em> Drivers and cyclists who are neither men nor women</em></p> <p>LOL good point! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253#post-66889 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:29:33 +0000 cb 66889@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><strong>Instography</strong> : <em>If I was stopped by the police for doing something naughty, my first line of defence would be 'sorry officer, it was a mistake. I had no idea', with 'please just give me a telling off' as the subtext. </em></p> <p>I agree with that. I think that explains much of the 'professed ignorance'. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253#post-66887 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:24:51 +0000 crowriver 66887@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Yes, drivers and cyclists surely. Not men and women.</em></p> <p>That's going to pretty niche targetting then. Drivers and cyclists who are neither men nor women - can't be more than a dozen in Edinburgh, surely? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253#post-66886 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:22:20 +0000 alibali 66886@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>If you're producing information and publicity it's often helpful to know who you should be aiming it at.</em></p> <p>Yes, drivers and cyclists surely. Not men and women. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253#post-66885 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:13:55 +0000 crowriver 66885@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Maybe here? </p> <p><a href="http://g.co/maps/h5mv5" rel="nofollow">http://g.co/maps/h5mv5</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253#post-66879 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:55:58 +0000 Dave 66879@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>One thing I find amusing, constantly, is that people call for cycle training to tackle the 'issue' of red light jumping for example, but if you go out into the world and haul up red light jumpers, none of them will say they didn't know what a red light meant.</p> <p>chdot - I can't find anything online to help identify where they were monitoring. Do you know? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253#post-66876 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:50:49 +0000 Instography 66876@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If I was stopped by the police for doing something naughty, my first line of defence would be 'sorry officer, it was a mistake. I had no idea', with 'please just give me a telling off' as the subtext. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253#post-66874 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:49:19 +0000 Instography 66874@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think their sex is potentially important because even in these small numbers it suggests there might be a systematic difference. In general, infringers seem to be more likely to be men (assuming it's not also the case that drivers are more likely to be men, equalising infringement rates). If you're producing information and publicity it's often helpful to know who you should be aiming it at. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253#post-66865 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:30:37 +0000 559 66865@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting figures, what it does demonstrate is that there are both poor cyclists and poor drivers. These are the ones who are noticed by all parties, during our day to day commute. </p> <p>Consider detailed analysis of the figures of little value as traffic volumes change all the time, due to holidays, weather etc. But it does illustrate issues. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253#post-66862 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:24:39 +0000 alibali 66862@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This has been a useful and worthwhile excersise and I think it should be repeated regularly until the statistics show a marked improvement. </p> <p>Maybe I'm over-sensitive after Ester's outburst on R4 but I'm slightly puzzled by the collection of male/female statistics, which seem about as useful as recording the vehicle colour or (more controversially) hair colour of miscreants. Why does the gender of the person in charge of a vehicle matter? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253#post-66856 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:46:32 +0000 amir 66856@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Whilst the figures for this snapshot are interesting, it would not be sensible to extrapolate to the wider world. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253#post-66855 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:45:42 +0000 Dave 66855@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Also, anyone know where exactly "Northbridge southwards corridor" is, as I'd be interested to do a survey? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253#post-66853 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:41:16 +0000 Dave 66853@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There are other measures that could be used that might help get a fuller picture, such as 'proportion of light phases where either line was violated by cyclists / drivers where there was opportunity to do so'.</p> <p>Some stuff needs careful disclaiming. For instance, because only 5% of cyclists are women, to discover that 25% of red light jumping cyclists are women would seem to ring alarm bells - but of course, it may be that every man jumped the reds and only a small proportion of the women, but there happened to be a sudden rush of women (plus, 5% is made up). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253#post-66843 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:26:34 +0000 amir 66843@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I wonder if there is any association with location. Certainly I have seen more cyclists RLJer's near the centre than the outskirts but there are also more cyclists. My a priori feeling on ASL is that there is more compliance nearer the centre but I expect I am completely wrong. Understanding this might help targetting. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253#post-66839 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:17:54 +0000 crowriver 66839@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>He's thinking of bus lanes.</p> <p>Must say I haven't noticed so much RLJing recently, though there is always the odd "rules don't apply to me" cyclist around. What <em>is</em> getting my goat a bit is the number of cyclists trundling along the pavement outside Waverly Market/Waverley Steps.</p> <p>Yes, okay, the road is completely blocked; the pavement is wide, and occasionally quiet (usually stowed with folk); they are (mostly) being careful. For goodness sake though, it's only a few yards. I get off and push, so can you! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253#post-66837 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:15:55 +0000 chdot 66837@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I do sometimes wonder if drivers think that they may enter the ASL if there isn't already a bike in it, or something like that."</p> <p>I think that is definitely true. </p> <p>There's also the 'classic ' - as reported by SRD on here - of the black cab driver saying 'doesnt apply after 6:00' </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253#post-66836 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:12:48 +0000 wingpig 66836@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>"...and we have to just have to accept that we simply have a genuine issue to address here"</em></blockquote></p> <p>This is known. That's why I mutter/grumble/frown/shout at people I see on the pavement and/or skipping lights.</p> <p><blockquote><em>"ha! had a black cab driver tell me that ASLs didn't count 'after half-six'"</em></blockquote></p> <p>My favourite is when a bus driver told me that if I went into an ASZ in front of him that I'd know about it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6253#post-66834 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:10:55 +0000 SRD 66834@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>ha! had a black cab driver tell me that ASLs didn't count 'after half-six' (he also claimed to be a licensed driving instructor). Such rubbish. Scares me that people must believe it sometimes. </p>