http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: The Dutch could learn a thing or two from the UK re cycling safety! en Mon, 18 May 2026 11:51:49 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6280#post-67107 Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:34:32 +0000 rust 67107@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>"never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"</blockquote></p> <p>In case where someone is either being stupid or malevolent I always hope it's malevolent. Stupid people are unpredictable and dangerous. You know where you are with someone who's malevolent. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6280#post-67088 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:01:19 +0000 Uberuce 67088@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>cf: growth of waistlines, growth of queues at traffic lights, petrol pumps, doctor's surgeries.... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6280#post-67087 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:54:36 +0000 ruggtomcat 67087@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yeah Im pretty sure the cycle 'facilities' in this country have directly led to the growth of cyclocross. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6280#post-67085 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:30:28 +0000 LaidBack 67085@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We do expect cycling to be safer as more do it. Of course the approach here is to discourage cycling with narrow paths, bollards, squeeze points and steps.<br /> Does the panel think that cyclists on some parts of this island have in fact evolved to overcome these barriers? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6280#post-67081 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:10:18 +0000 Uberuce 67081@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was taking Richard Feynman's advice - never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. Which may have been stupid of me, now that you get me thinking... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6280#post-67079 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:08:32 +0000 Dave 67079@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes, I can hardly imagine anyone seriously thinks that the Netherlands is more dangerous for cycling than the UK - but truth isn't the important thing here. </p> <p>It is perfectly true that the casualty rate per capita is lower here, even though the casualty rate by exposure is incomparably better. He could literally mean that the Dutch authorities could come over here to learn how to suppress cycling numbers, thus reducing their overall casualty count (for instance). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6280#post-67078 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:57:02 +0000 amir 67078@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Perhaps he is good at maths. A major skill that politicians learn is how to lie with statistics. The real task to educate the media and electorate but that's tough</p> <p><a href="http://www.getstats.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.getstats.org.uk/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6280#post-67076 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:46:24 +0000 Uberuce 67076@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Did I mention I think people should have to pass a basic but comprehensive science test before being allowed to serve in public office, vote, leave the house or go on the internet? I'm deadly serious about the first one, although I admit to the sillies as the list goes on from there.</p> <p>If his grasp of maths was good enough to have passed it, Mr Penning would have known that stat is utter crotchwring. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6280#post-67072 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:51:54 +0000 Claggy Cog 67072@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.bikebiz.com/news/read/minister-for-road-safety-loses-his-marbles-live-on-parliamentary-tv" rel="nofollow">http://www.bikebiz.com/news/read/minister-for-road-safety-loses-his-marbles-live-on-parliamentary-tv</a></p> <p>Yep it is true! </p>