http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Brainstorming session en Wed, 13 May 2026 02:06:50 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334&page=2#post-68363 Wed, 02 May 2012 11:42:55 +0000 lionfish 68363@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Fair enough :)</p> <p>The idea of a cycle into town reminds me of the idea of a regular 'bike group commute' that minimoth and a few other friends were talking about a while ago. We struggled with how to do it logistically - people are usually wanting to get to different places, at different times. Would there be 2 meeting points (e.g. West end of Princes Street at 5:30pm and outside Sainsbury's on Gorgie Road at 8:30am)?</p> <p>I think there might be quite a few people interested in it!</p> <p>what if it got to ~40 bikes/day - which isn't impossible... would that be good/bad?!</p> <p>I'll have to make another thread for that... [edit: not yet though, let's sort one thing at a time]. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334&page=2#post-68361 Wed, 02 May 2012 11:32:18 +0000 chdot 68361@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I'd prefer to take them on the bits that aren't easy"</p> <p>Yes - the grassy park is for those who 'can't' cycle. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334&page=2#post-68358 Wed, 02 May 2012 11:18:37 +0000 lionfish 68358@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Pedal With Parliament!</p> <p>"Write to the new councillors next week. Ask to meet with them. Go cycling with them etc."<br /> "How much better if councillors were invited by their voters."</p> <p>Awesome idea!</p> <p>"I'm sure all wards have parks with flat, soft, grassy bits."</p> <p>I'd prefer to take them on the bits that aren't easy, but are the parts I'm most concerned about!</p> <p>I'd combine a few neighbouring wards maybe? e.g. 7 and 9...</p> <p>see <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6371" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6371</a> :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-68351 Wed, 02 May 2012 10:48:30 +0000 chdot 68351@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"who resist neat classification"</p> <p>That's good then(?) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-68349 Wed, 02 May 2012 10:44:39 +0000 chdot 68349@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Write to the new councillors next week. Ask to meet with them. Go cycling with them etc."</p> <p>YES!</p> <p>Spokes has arranged 'facility visits', by bike, which various councillors have gone on.</p> <p>How much better if councillors were invited by their voters.</p> <p>Don't take can't ride/no bike as an excuse.</p> <p>I'm sure all wards have parks with flat, soft, grassy bits.</p> <p>HOW ABOUT if, after the election, CEC/POP creates a 'group' for each ward (<a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/781/constituencies_wards_and_boundaries/829/council_wards/">17 in Edinburgh</a>) to look at 'issues' and engage with/encourage councillors?</p> <p>I'm in <a href="https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/1378/meadowsmorningside-ward_10">Ward 10</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-68345 Wed, 02 May 2012 10:38:59 +0000 wingpig 68345@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>PoP BACK?<br /> Hard to tell whether extra-people are just normal dust-off-after-winter cycle-commuters or something new. There have been more tights-wearing-but-rather-slow-and-wobbly-when-setting-off people than usual on my routes over the past couple of days, who resist neat classification. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-68342 Wed, 02 May 2012 10:36:22 +0000 SRD 68342@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>first we need to follow up the first demo - write to our MSPs and councillors,. Write to the new councillors next week. Ask to meet with them. Go cycling with them etc. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-68341 Wed, 02 May 2012 10:34:14 +0000 lionfish 68341@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The conversation started when she said the whole of Edinburgh centre should be car free :). I gave her a few leaflets etc about POP (and said pedestrians were going too), but I think the fact I wasn't able to go myself put her off (it's easier to drag people to something you're going to as well :P). I also love the idea of using POP as an opportunity to let new cyclists try cycling around Edinburgh! I'm sure this week there have been lots more cyclists than last week (and many of them seem very new and a bit nervous! anyone else notice this?).</p> <p>Anyway, just throwing in ideas!</p> <p>What do people think about September 2012 vs ~April/May 2013 for the next one? Where's the balance between 'fatigue' and 'momentum'? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-68220 Tue, 01 May 2012 17:14:54 +0000 crowriver 68220@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I know someone who was at the demo but did not bring her bike. Just to be different. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-68216 Tue, 01 May 2012 17:05:10 +0000 fimm 68216@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Surely I can't be the only cyclist who owns <em>more than one bicycle</em>? ;-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-68215 Tue, 01 May 2012 17:01:34 +0000 Claggy Cog 68215@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@lionfish - being a non-bike owner should not have stopped them taking part. The whole idea is that money is allocated to be spent on infrastructure improving things for each and everyone. Although it was Pedal on Parliament it was for all modes of transport users (other than motorised 4-wheeled or more vehicles) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-68100 Tue, 01 May 2012 11:08:07 +0000 lionfish 68100@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Re POP2: One issue that a few friends raised was that they strongly supported it, but weren't cyclists yet. We discussed it more last night, and think the single-issue simplicity is vital (i.e. not Active-travel-on-parliament), but maybe a possible fix would be to provide hire bikes to all those who'd want to take part but can't (maybe the Bike Station or other bike shops could each lend out a few bikes for free?!?!), the advantage would be twofold:<br /> 1. It would increase the number of people taking part (especially to those now too afraid to cycle on the roads).<br /> 2. It would give them a very fun taste of cycling in Edinburgh. It would be the perfect way to try cycling in town for the first time!</p> <p>I don't know whether I was the only person who had non-bike-owning friends who wanted to take part but couldn't? If not, then forget the idea! (just putting it into the mix) (also not sure how it would be advertised/organised...).</p> <p>other idea: I also wonder if organising a van from other large cities (or did that already happen?): 4-5 vans from neighbouring cities would add another 200 cyclists to the protest who might not otherwise be able to make it? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-68041 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:20:36 +0000 wee folding bike 68041@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>More lanes were put in place but were often rubbish. The Tron end of London Rd is worse now, other junctions haven't changed. There are bike racks at the stations. </p> <p>The lanes were put in before VeloCity inthe '90s. This is the kind of thing we got:</p> <p><a href="http://scruss.com/enterprise.net/barriers_to_glasgow_cycling.html" rel="nofollow">http://scruss.com/enterprise.net/barriers_to_glasgow_cycling.html</a></p> <p>The Glasgow feeder Facebook page says they had a bad time with the cycle path and that was part of the reason some of them got the train. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-68029 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:54:41 +0000 crowriver 68029@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@wfb, how far did their ideas get with the council? Some really nice proposals... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-68024 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:44:10 +0000 wee folding bike 68024@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>GoBike did that 20 years ago they even put a darn handsome guy on the cover of the leaflet.</p> <p><a href="http://www.gobike.org/archive.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.gobike.org/archive.php</a></p> <p>They weren't even called Go Bike until about 5 years later. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-68022 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:36:57 +0000 crowriver 68022@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@kaputnik, could I suggest we use <a href="http://g.co/maps/wn9pr">Arelicat's map</a> as the starting point? It already has lots of inffo on it. One could have different colour codes for "ideas for new infrastructure". Yellow lines? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-68019 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:22:45 +0000 kaputnik 68019@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>for this is openstreetmap.org</em></p> <p>I'm inclided to agree to get the OSM layer, but does it let you make custom, collaborative maps? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-67930 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:43:25 +0000 crowriver 67930@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Arelicat's map (with annotations from folk on here): <a href="http://g.co/maps/wn9pr" rel="nofollow">http://g.co/maps/wn9pr</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-67915 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:08:11 +0000 spytfyre 67915@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>google maps make me ill - for this is openstreetmap.org not better? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-67906 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:48:23 +0000 kaputnik 67906@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>isn't this what "fix my street" already does with a map?<br /> </em></p> <p>Yes but only really fixing what's there already, not putting in a wishlist. And you can't mark lines / areas on it. And it's not cycling infrastructure specific.</p> <p>I had forgotten about Arellcat's map. It should be possible to import the bad bits of infrastructure into another map.</p> <p>What I had in mind was creating a map that would show how a reasonable amount of investment in joining up what's already there would make for a far more useful and coherent network. It wasn't simply about fixing potholes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-67888 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:16:04 +0000 steveo 67888@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It would be useful to just have a list of simple infrastructure changes that could be referred to when other work is being done. </p> <p>For example drop kerbs could be installed at access points while a road is being resurfaced but it's important to have a list of these so roads people can be referred to them when they are doing the prep work. </p> <p>More complicated things like uncovering bike lanes from official car parks tends to make the map look a little too busy. IMO. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-67886 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:12:53 +0000 wingpig 67886@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There's the good-and-bad infrastructure-example maps Arellcat put together on another thread somewhere. They point out examples but currently don't have "whereas, ideally, it'd be like this:" things. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-67885 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:12:09 +0000 spytfyre 67885@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>isn't this what "fix my street" already does with a map? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-67884 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:09:38 +0000 lionfish 67884@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How do I edit the map?<br /> (I'm signed into google - do I need to do anything else?)</p> <p>I was about to start adding stuff, but I'm not sure. There's several sorts of ways of categorising stuff:<br /> How easy it is?<br /> How much a change will inconvenience the motorists/etc?<br /> (e.g. uncovering a bike lane currently with 24-hour permanent parking).<br /> How important (direct cycle route vs an unused residential road) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-67878 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:00:12 +0000 kaputnik 67878@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes the map is public, feel free to add. I was going to come up with a classification system, but didn't get futher than a green line for signage required and a yellow line for re-surfacing required! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-67861 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:40:33 +0000 Tom 67861@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Smudge: <em>"is that relevant to this topic"</em></p> <p>As chdot said in another thread - let's start with a list.</p> <p>Dave: a "fill that hole" for infrastructure, yes! I'm off to look at Kap's map.</p> <p>Kaputnik: is it possible to add things to your map? I'm a Google Maps user already.</p> <p>Perhaps we need to publicise this forum as a focus for post POP28 discussions? Are there any more going on elsewhere? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-67843 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:23:56 +0000 Smudge 67843@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Pet hate of mine is the NCN signage, sometimes easy to follow and then sometimes it just seems to stop, I'm used to it now but it must be off putting to new starters/returnees, is that relevant to this topic or is there somewhere I should report probs to? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-67831 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:13:05 +0000 kaputnik 67831@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msa=0&amp;msid=201066336843176744677.0004b8f4eb93d22babc43">here it is</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-67828 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:09:40 +0000 kaputnik 67828@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Give me a minute and I'll dig the link out of the one I started, I think I've so far managed to get 2 things onto it... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6334#post-67821 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:03:43 +0000 crowriver 67821@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@kaputnik, Tom, Dave, these are useful suggestions for a 'crowdsourcing initiative (for those with Googol accounts anyhow). Could be a handy resource for Spokes, etc. to point cycling officers to...</p> <p>Somebody gonna start a map then? </p>