http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Campaign for more statues of women en Thu, 21 May 2026 03:44:38 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=5#post-382145 Mon, 24 Nov 2025 10:15:31 +0000 chdot 382145@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not a statue</p> <p>Plaque being unveiled today</p> <p><a href="https://www.churchofscotland.org.uk/news-and-events/news/archive/2023/edinburgh-council-to-install-stolpersteine-memorial-to-scots-holocaust-victim-jane-haining" rel="nofollow">https://www.churchofscotland.org.uk/news-and-events/news/archive/2023/edinburgh-council-to-install-stolpersteine-memorial-to-scots-holocaust-victim-jane-haining</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=5#post-382073 Wed, 19 Nov 2025 13:08:20 +0000 bakky 382073@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Um excuse me, it's <a href="https://internationalmensday.com/">International Men's day</a> today. There's a 24h moratorium on feminist rabble-rousing!</p> <p>[<em>for the avoidance of doubt; this is a joke</em>] </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=5#post-382072 Wed, 19 Nov 2025 10:25:28 +0000 chdot 382072@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2025/11/muriel-spark-statue-open-competition-launched-to-find-artist/?ref=edinburghminute.com" rel="nofollow">https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2025/11/muriel-spark-statue-open-competition-launched-to-find-artist/?ref=edinburghminute.com</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=5#post-381378 Thu, 02 Oct 2025 08:23:08 +0000 chdot 381378@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“<br /> For the first time Clea Thomson the great, great, great niece of the late Dr Inglis spoke in public on behalf of her family, saying that they support this planning application in full without change or amendment”. </p> <p>She cleared up questions about the uniform, saying that it was not military dress but rather was “designed by Elsie herself for medical service in harsh conditions abroad”. Ms Thomson said: “She wore it with pride, as did all who served in her units, 1500 women, many of them suffragists.” She also confirmed that the family considers that the location is perfect and “has been carefully chosen because it’s on the exact site of the hospital she established for women in 1904 Elsie deliberately chose this location for her hospital in the heart of the most deprived area of Edinburgh, one of the worst slums in Europe.” </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2025/10/council-approve-application-for-elsie-inglis-statue/?" rel="nofollow">https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2025/10/council-approve-application-for-elsie-inglis-statue/?</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=5#post-381361 Wed, 01 Oct 2025 08:29:51 +0000 chdot 381361@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>A descendant of Dr Elsie Inglis has criticised a leading heritage body for claiming that a statue to the trailblazing suffragist and doctor should be “more feminine”.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://archive.ph/2025.10.01-072416/https://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/edinburgh-heritage-body-claims-elsie-inglis-statute-on-royal-mile-should-be-more-feminine-5340178?" rel="nofollow">https://archive.ph/2025.10.01-072416/https://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/edinburgh-heritage-body-claims-elsie-inglis-statute-on-royal-mile-should-be-more-feminine-5340178?</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=5#post-380630 Tue, 19 Aug 2025 08:22:10 +0000 chdot 380630@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Genius of Muriel Spark to be celebrated with major Gardens' sculpture </p> <p>Exclusive: Writer to be first woman to have memorial in Princes Street Gardens </p> <p>EUAN MCGRORY </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghinquirer.co.uk/p/genius-of-muriel-spark-to-be-celebrated" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghinquirer.co.uk/p/genius-of-muriel-spark-to-be-celebrated</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=5#post-379022 Thu, 20 Mar 2025 09:36:33 +0000 chdot 379022@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/hundreds-sign-open-letter-calling-for-rethink-on-plans-for-elsie-inglis-statue-on-royal-mile-5037528" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/hundreds-sign-open-letter-calling-for-rethink-on-plans-for-elsie-inglis-statue-on-royal-mile-5037528</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=5#post-378920 Mon, 10 Mar 2025 09:06:26 +0000 chdot 378920@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Today is International Women’s Day, and if you are a regular reader of the Inquirer you'll know that Edinburgh still has more statues of animals (for the record 15 of them) than of women – surely a poor state of affairs in a city which boasts around 200 monuments and statues.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghinquirer.co.uk/p/celebrating-the-city-woman-who-pioneered" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghinquirer.co.uk/p/celebrating-the-city-woman-who-pioneered</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=4#post-377847 Sun, 15 Dec 2024 18:30:53 +0000 chdot 377847@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/11-people-from-edinburgh-who-deserve-to-be-recognised-with-a-statue-4909296" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/11-people-from-edinburgh-who-deserve-to-be-recognised-with-a-statue-4909296</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=4#post-376293 Wed, 21 Aug 2024 15:24:39 +0000 chdot 376293@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Incredibly honoured that one of my portraits of Dr Elsie Inglis is now part of the Permanent collection at Surgeons' Hall Museum, Edinburgh! </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.natashaphoenixsculpture.com" rel="nofollow">https://www.natashaphoenixsculpture.com</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=4#post-374175 Thu, 21 Mar 2024 09:25:24 +0000 chdot 374175@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Fantastic to see (even if it’s temporary) 3 female statues . Even more incredible they’re sports stars - more please </p> <p><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJITycjWIAAtP_g?format=jpg&amp;name=large"></p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/halosler/status/1770499398759223732?" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/halosler/status/1770499398759223732?</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=4#post-364601 Fri, 04 Nov 2022 23:40:15 +0000 chdot 364601@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/whats-on/arts-and-entertainment/elsie-inglis-statue-campaigners-should-defuse-controversy-by-running-open-and-fair-contest-brian-ferguson-3901912" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/whats-on/arts-and-entertainment/elsie-inglis-statue-campaigners-should-defuse-controversy-by-running-open-and-fair-contest-brian-ferguson-3901912</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=4#post-364308 Wed, 19 Oct 2022 16:31:14 +0000 chdot 364308@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.scotsman.com/whats-on/arts-and-entertainment/war-of-words-erupts-after-king-charles-official-sculptor-wins-elsie-inglis-commission-for-royal-mile-3884945?amp" rel="nofollow">https://www.scotsman.com/whats-on/arts-and-entertainment/war-of-words-erupts-after-king-charles-official-sculptor-wins-elsie-inglis-commission-for-royal-mile-3884945?amp</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=4#post-364289 Mon, 17 Oct 2022 19:22:46 +0000 chdot 364289@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.scotsman.com/whats-on/arts-and-entertainment/royal-familys-official-sculptor-to-create-elsie-inglis-tribute-for-edinburghs-royal-mile-3882582" rel="nofollow">https://www.scotsman.com/whats-on/arts-and-entertainment/royal-familys-official-sculptor-to-create-elsie-inglis-tribute-for-edinburghs-royal-mile-3882582</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=4#post-362838 Sun, 21 Aug 2022 23:09:16 +0000 chdot 362838@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2022/08/elsie-inglis-competition-for-schoolchildren/" rel="nofollow">https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2022/08/elsie-inglis-competition-for-schoolchildren/</a></p> <p><a href="https://www.elsieinglis.org/schools-competition" rel="nofollow">https://www.elsieinglis.org/schools-competition</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=4#post-362207 Fri, 29 Jul 2022 19:56:33 +0000 chdot 362207@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.elsieinglis.org/the-statue" rel="nofollow">https://www.elsieinglis.org/the-statue</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=4#post-360448 Mon, 09 May 2022 21:25:44 +0000 chdot 360448@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/heritage-and-retro/heritage/elsie-inglis-edinburghs-medical-trailblazer-elsie-inglis-to-have-long-awaited-statue-placed-on-royal-mile-after-ps50k-raised-3686899" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/heritage-and-retro/heritage/elsie-inglis-edinburghs-medical-trailblazer-elsie-inglis-to-have-long-awaited-statue-placed-on-royal-mile-after-ps50k-raised-3686899</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=4#post-359013 Wed, 16 Mar 2022 23:42:48 +0000 the canuck 359013@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes, I'd agree with all that. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=4#post-359003 Tue, 15 Mar 2022 20:30:27 +0000 SRD 359003@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@the Canuck interesting question but I'm sure there are people demographically similar to me who nonetheless disagree profoundly with me. </p> <p>I agree totally with Yodrin on all of this: "Boys should be encouraged to see women as rolemodels. Girls should be encouraged to see men as rolemodels. It shouldn't be "problematic" for a white kid to "see themselves" in the deeds or words of a black person or to enjoy the fruits of non-white cultures, nor "colonialism" to suggest that a young black or asian kid could find something of value to learn in a novel written by a "dead white male". In short, people should be brought up to value the deeds &amp; works, and those who achieve them, regardless of their superficial demographic qualities."</p> <p>and have tried to bring my own kids up in much that way. </p> <p>but I don't think our society now (much less our past societies) can be described that way, nor can we expect those outcomes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=4#post-359002 Tue, 15 Mar 2022 19:58:29 +0000 wingpig 359002@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Irrespective of why they were installed, the statues (of identified people) we currently have do tend to have an air of commemoration-of-the-rich/influential/privileged about them - their subjects may also have streets or buildings named after them, or be otherwise well-known enough for the statue to not be then reason why their names are known. Maybe rich/privileged/influential people do look at them and think "I'd like a statue of me", maybe they don't, but if you're the sort of person commonly exhibited in statue form you're more likely to consider such commemoration possible, or even deserved? I've heard non-rich/privileged/influential people describe the inspiration of visible role models in media other than stone/bronze/marble, but usually expressed as wanting to be able to <em>do</em> or <em>be</em> something and being reassured that that specific role/job/action/career/life is possible through example. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=4#post-358996 Tue, 15 Mar 2022 18:45:56 +0000 chdot 358996@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just a <em>mild</em> warning about going too far with firmly held views (or <em>assumptions</em> about them). </p> <p>CCE is still suffering (probably permanently) from the fallout from THAT controversy. </p> <p>In addition I was blamed for taking action against ‘offenders’ AND for not taking action fast enough and/or ‘even-handedly’. </p> <p>Fortunately I got some PMs saying my (attempted) ‘light touch’ was appreciated/justified. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=4#post-358991 Tue, 15 Mar 2022 17:30:29 +0000 the canuck 358991@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I have a definite opinion on this, but I'd be interested to know what 'groups' Yodhrin considers themselves to be part of.<br /> (I've 'seen' SRD, so already know.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=4#post-358990 Tue, 15 Mar 2022 15:15:14 +0000 SRD 358990@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Rather, I see structures which limit and constrain opportunities, shaping identities and attitudes. </p> <p>I'm analysing the past/present. You're arguing "what ought to be"/ how people ought to see the world. </p> <p>Perhaps you're right and we may as well stop arguing at cross purposes. </p> <p>But good luck changing the future if you don't understand the past. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=4#post-358989 Tue, 15 Mar 2022 13:40:08 +0000 Yodhrin 358989@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@SRD Aha, I seem to have found the problem - you appear to be inventing "my take" from scratch based on your own assumptions rather than anything I've actually said. Probably best to just leave it there then. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=4#post-358983 Tue, 15 Mar 2022 12:09:30 +0000 chdot 358983@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Nor is it a one-way gradual process…</p> <p>“</p> <p>Last week South Korea picked a new president: Yoon Suk-yeol. He is a conservative who defeated his liberal rival Lee Jae-myung. During his campaign he promised to abolish the Ministry for Gender Equality, denying that women face discrimination. South Korea has one of the worst women's rights records in the developed world, although modest gains have been made over the last few years. But that has ignited an anti-feminist backlash among many young men who see feminism as reverse discrimination, taking away their jobs and opportunities. So what does Yoon Suk-yeol’s election mean for women? Emma is joined by Laura Bicker, the BBC’s Soeul Correspondent and the feminist South-Korean film-maker Youjin Do. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00159z0" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00159z0</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=4#post-358981 Tue, 15 Mar 2022 11:49:13 +0000 fimm 358981@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>She does have an Oxford college named after her... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=4#post-358980 Tue, 15 Mar 2022 11:44:34 +0000 chdot 358980@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><img src="https://static-independent-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2017/08/11/12/rbs-10-front-media-specimen580.jpg.rendition.580.326-0.png?quality=75&amp;width=490&amp;auto=webp&amp;crop=982:726,smart"></p> <p>There are always exceptional people with (obviously) different life events/stages. </p> <p>Different, inspirational etc. </p> <p><em>Likely</em> to be less ‘visible’ if female. </p> <p>“</p> <p> In 1834 she became the first person to be described in print as a 'scientist'.[2] When she died in 1872, The Morning Post declared in her obituary that "Whatever difficulty we might experience in the middle of the nineteenth century in choosing a king of science, there could be no question whatever as to the queen of science". </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Somerville" rel="nofollow">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Somerville</a></p> <p>Don’t know if two busts equals a statue!</p> <p><a href="https://artuk.org/discover/artworks/mary-somerville-17801872-252944" rel="nofollow">https://artuk.org/discover/artworks/mary-somerville-17801872-252944</a> </p> <p><a href="https://artuk.org/discover/artworks/mary-somerville-17801872-262183" rel="nofollow">https://artuk.org/discover/artworks/mary-somerville-17801872-262183</a></p> <p><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Somerville" rel="nofollow">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Somerville</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=4#post-358979 Tue, 15 Mar 2022 10:48:31 +0000 SRD 358979@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I don't disagree with your aims/goals. </p> <p>I do question your take on what it actually meant to be an intellectually ambitious woman in Victorian England, denied education, forced to make a 'home' for your widowed father (or whatever) rather than pursue the scientific career you aspire to, because society, your family etc block your ambitions no matter how much personal self-faith you might have. Because the environment in which you find yourself does not see your career path as a realistic option for a woman. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=4#post-358978 Tue, 15 Mar 2022 10:18:54 +0000 Yodhrin 358978@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>See, I don't understand - what about "you shouldn't *have* to be demographically identical to someone to look up to them and be inspired by their accomplishments" gives you the impression my position is individualised, or that the logic of it accepts people being discouraged and bullied?</p> <p>My point is exactly the opposite - you don't fix societal-scale issues by divvying people up into little interest groups and pitting them against each other(not to get all Alex Jones, but it is interesting to note that most of these ideas struggled to break out of very niche parts of academia until they were adopted en masse seemingly overnight by the largely neoliberal centrist-aligned media commentariat, *right* after Occupy Wallstreet demonstrated cross-racial, cross-cultural class unity wasn't entirely dead yet...). Boys should be encouraged to see women as rolemodels. Girls should be encouraged to see men as rolemodels. It shouldn't be "problematic" for a white kid to "see themselves" in the deeds or words of a black person or to enjoy the fruits of non-white cultures, nor "colonialism" to suggest that a young black or asian kid could find something of value to learn in a novel written by a "dead white male". In short, people should be brought up to value the deeds &amp; works, and those who achieve them, regardless of their superficial demographic qualities. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6430&page=4#post-358977 Tue, 15 Mar 2022 09:40:31 +0000 SRD 358977@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting that you individualise it so Yodhrin. I've always seen it as a more societal problem.</p> <p>If, growing up, everyone discourages you (or even mocks you) for trying to be more, then you're unlikely to buck that trend and strike out on an unusual, precarious and unsupported path.</p> <p>Especially so, if you're expected to quit school and go out to work to support a younger brother. Or get married to pay off daddy's debts, or provide for your mother. etc </p>