http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: George IV Bridge / Lawnmarket sorted en Wed, 13 May 2026 01:54:12 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657&page=2#post-33295 Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:36:32 +0000 chdot 33295@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Must find out if the work on the rest of G. IV B. is edging its way to the Missoni."</p> <p>Apparently not, but -</p> <p>"Further minor works planned as part of QBiC to realign kerb at the bus boarder and to provide colour surfacing past the loading bay."</p> <p>(February-May next year) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657&page=2#post-33291 Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:12:17 +0000 chdot 33291@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Time this thread was revived I thought as I rode past that big car (in the gutter) this morning.<br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/5828261173/in/photostream"><br /> <img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5106/5828261173_7512bb6339.jpg"></a></p> <p>Must find out if the work on the rest of G. IV B. is edging its way to the Missoni.</p> <p>It's still the case that this should never have been designed like that. Would improve a bit of buildout was reduced.</p> <p>At the least, that section of lane should be RED. Also should probably be wider and straight - all the way to the ASL so that there really is only one vehicle lane to the lights.</p> <p>Probably should be double yellows and 'no loading' flashes here too. (There were 2 vans.)<br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/5828262537/in/photostream"><br /> <img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2555/5828262537_43bc93bf01.jpg"></p> <p></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657&page=2#post-28153 Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:47:41 +0000 Cyclingmollie 28153@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Anth: <em>Now now, tarring everyone with the same brush sounds aaaaaawfully like Mr McWheeler. </em></p> <p>You do know they've never been seen together in the same room. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657&page=2#post-28151 Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:44:23 +0000 Min 28151@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Don't know how long it has been like this since I don't ride past very often but the left and right cars lanes have been removed, meaning there is just one car lane. Drivers still encroached into the bike lane but not to the same extent. I used the cycle lane both times I rode past today whereas before I only used it to see how bad it was (bad).<br /> Once you get up to the junction, there is still a right turn arrow on the right hand side but it is wide enough there so not a problem. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657&page=2#post-16731 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:24:29 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 16731@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"5 star hotel visitors don't think bike when throwing open car doors either"</p> <p>Now now, tarring <em>everyone</em> with the same brush sounds aaaaaawfully like Mr McWheeler. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657&page=2#post-16710 Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:56:20 +0000 LaidBack 16710@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Lights were red and cars were backed up about three or four deep, but the drivers were being considerate/driving correctly and there was a beautiful clear run up the cycle path, right up to the ASL.</em></p> <p>It has been known...! But the parking bay adds extra opportunities for mayhem. 5 star hotel visitors don't think bike when throwing open car doors either.</p> <p>I actually overtook a line of 20 cars whilst walking with two bikes along the George IV bus lane as pavements were so busy around 5pm last Friday. I kept expecting a bus or taxi but had lane to myself ...<br /> (I can slowly cycle on one bike holding onto another but doubt it's legal or safe...) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657&page=2#post-16632 Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:55:52 +0000 PS 16632@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was cycling up George IV Bridge towards the Royal Mile yesterday afternoon. Lights were red and cars were backed up about three or four deep, but the drivers were being considerate/driving correctly and there was a beautiful clear run up the cycle path, right up to the ASL. </p> <p>Nothing could go wrong...</p> <p>...Until I saw a taxi heading southbound pull slightly towards the kerb and, yes, decide to attempt a u-turn into the Missoni "taxi rank" using the bit of road that I was heading into. </p> <p>Should have got his taxi number for a bit of naming and shaming, but instead I wheeled out my most ironic of waves. </p> <p>I still got into the ASL before the lights changed though. :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657&page=2#post-16593 Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:52:51 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 16593@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just read in the latest Spokes bulletin that there was a ride they ran attended by a load of councillors and they took them by here, with one of their number getting an 'understanding' of the problems with the facility when he clipped the wing mirror of a car encroaching into the bike lane.</p> <p>Need more of this, councillors being taken to bad facilities, not just to <em>see</em> them, but to actually <em>ride</em> them. Good work Spokes I have to say. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657&page=2#post-16592 Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:42:14 +0000 kaputnik 16592@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>it remains a ridiculous piece of planning. </em></p> <p>ridiculous AND iconic </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657&page=2#post-16590 Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:33:38 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 16590@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I rode past there again just last week and it remains a ridiculous piece of planning. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657&page=2#post-16589 Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:29:44 +0000 chdot 16589@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> HOTEL Missoni on George IV Bridge has been named best new hotel in Europe in the World Travel Awards.  </p> <p>It was up against rivals in Italy, Turkey, France, Germany and the Czech Republic in the poll involving thousands of international trave agents and other industry professionals.<br /> "</p> <p><a href="http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/9am-Briefing-Oxfam-aim-to.6625957.jp" rel="nofollow">http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/9am-Briefing-Oxfam-aim-to.6625957.jp</a></p> <p>That's all right then CEC will be pleased it allowed that nice loading bay. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657&page=2#post-7209 Fri, 21 May 2010 09:59:22 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 7209@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just to bring this one to life again, I rode past today and see that still nothing has happened. Got one video that showed a cyclist being cut up by a car swerving into the lane when the lights went red (but that was out of focus) and this one. See if you can spot the legal mandate being given to drivers here...</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9Cgb1fY0Q8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9Cgb1fY0Q8</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657&page=2#post-5968 Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:32:08 +0000 recombodna 5968@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If traffic stays single file all the way up to the end and then separates into right turn and straight on then yes you can BUT there is very rarely anyone turning right there.It is ridiculous junction though as many of the photos and videos show clearly. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657&page=2#post-5966 Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:14:25 +0000 chdot 5966@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I've been through this several times now in the van and not once have I entered the cycle lane"</p> <p>Could you do that with traffic in the right hand lane? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657#post-5965 Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:03:47 +0000 recombodna 5965@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've been through this several times now in the van and not once have I entered the cycle lane. I think ( and I know this sounds crazy but bare with me on this ) a lot of these drivers aren't looking at the road markings........... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657#post-5960 Thu, 22 Apr 2010 09:12:37 +0000 SRD 5960@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This is what it was like when I went through too - nothing in right turn lane. Obviously our observations are pretty unscientific, but given that this is (i think?) the most used cycle route in the city, something clearly still needs to be done. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657#post-5956 Wed, 21 Apr 2010 21:28:41 +0000 chdot 5956@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Today - just a minute...</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/4541681406"><br /> <img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2716/4541681406_cfe0fea09c.jpg"><br /> </a></p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/4541681794"><br /> <img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4069/4541681794_1dceed9f06.jpg"><br /> </a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657#post-5701 Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:56:33 +0000 Kim 5701@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The cyclist was riding defensively, makes sense in that situation. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657#post-5694 Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:46:54 +0000 LaidBack 5694@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Nothing turning right in that either?</p> <p>Did the 'powers that be' survey the demand? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657#post-5693 Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:35:34 +0000 chdot 5693@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/y57hhbl">Bike and car have different ideas!</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf7hCGHOYnY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf7hCGHOYnY</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657#post-5691 Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:09:27 +0000 LaidBack 5691@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was wondering about giving it an award? </p> <p>You'll note that there is nothing turning right in lots of the shots here yet the bus is dutifully sitting to the left. Then again it has just driven over the invisible bike lane.</p> <p>So... should they..<br /> <ul>1. paint it red?</ul></p> <p><ul>2. remove the arrows on road lanes and just have one unmarked lane so cars and buses can work it out for themselves?</ul></p> <p><ul>3. scrub all road markings to democratise the road?</ul> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657#post-5688 Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:15:59 +0000 recombodna 5688@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yeah thats just a joke lane!! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657#post-5685 Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:10:39 +0000 chdot 5685@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/4523209049/">Not really surprising that vehicles - especially buses - 'encroach' on bike lane!</p> <p><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4036/4523209049_690e3521f7.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657#post-5683 Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:02:47 +0000 recombodna 5683@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I don't understand why they can't get rid of the sets up the middle of the road and make a decent cycle lane?? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657#post-5672 Thu, 15 Apr 2010 16:16:18 +0000 LaidBack 5672@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Now cycled a few times.</p> <p>Basically you're unlikely to get any further than parking bay. </p> <p>Maybe they should put bike lane on right hand side as that is best place to get by traffic ;-)</p> <p>Given the choice between encroaching a traffic lane and a cycle lane most drivers favour the latter! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657#post-5653 Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:10:16 +0000 LaidBack 5653@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm sorry it isn't working as we had hoped. </p> <p>Seems the problem is that left hand turn and straight ahead lane have been combined with a slight turn in. So drivers actually are 'encouraged' to move left to go straight on!</p> <p>Meanwhile the right hand turn lane is empty much of the time.</p> <p>I was hoping that they would avoid a bend in cycle path. This would mean cycle lane becomes broader at end and simply incorporates the original 'irrelevant' short cycle lane. <em>The road area used to 'promote' green transport would be no more than has been allocated to the hotel parking bay.</em></p> <p>Currently we are protecting an empty bit of road that's not used that often in preference to ensuring that cycling is safe with proper space for lane. I would have just have gone for one car lane as they have at Greyfriars. This would also keep left hand turning tour buses from cutting in.</p> <p>Basically the High St isn't a through route. The whole street is wandered over by pedestrians so why car access should be encouraged is beyond me. </p> <p>Cars back up anyway from Mound and this will get worse anyway with increasing traffic. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657#post-5644 Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:07:31 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 5644@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Dave, that entire set of photos should be sent to the Council to show how much of a nonsense this is. Brilliant work! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657#post-5643 Thu, 15 Apr 2010 08:22:05 +0000 chdot 5643@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Filling in the bike lane with red <em>might</em> make a difference - though there would have to be a committment to renew when worn!</p> <p>That kerb, and the sharpness of the lane 'flow' around it, is the main problem. Additionally the 'streetscape decision' to put sets down the centre of the road has probably been beneficial. It clearly helps to send a message that this isn't a wide/fast road. </p> <p>It should have meant that the new layout with wider pavement and retaining two lanes at the lights shouldn't have been possible. </p> <p><em>Another</em> option would be to widen the pavement all the way to the junction (good for pedestrians) which should guarantee that there was only one lane of traffic (plus bike lane). </p> <p>Of course as I said earlier, the council has to consider more than just the safety/convenience of people on bikes - but it also wants to get considerably more people cycling so things like this <em>are</em> important. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657#post-5642 Thu, 15 Apr 2010 07:58:01 +0000 Dave 5642@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That one, plus maybe the one below, sum up what I watched for 20 minutes pretty accurately I'm afraid:<br /> <img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4055/4520578791_35f2c126f4.jpg"></p> <p>If you want to wince, you can follow a series of pictures I took of a girl being simultaneously undertaken by cars in the bike lane, and overtaken on the outside (pretty good going considering there is only one lane!)</p> <p>Starts <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/48848632@N08/4520577311/in/set-72157623590372845/">here</a> (rider in the bike lane) and goes <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/48848632@N08/4520577519/in/set-72157623590372845/">one</a>, <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/48848632@N08/4521214324/in/set-72157623590372845/">two</a>, <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/48848632@N08/4520578005/in/set-72157623590372845/">three</a>, <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/48848632@N08/4520578259/in/set-72157623590372845/">four</a>, <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/48848632@N08/4520578509/in/set-72157623590372845/">five</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=657#post-5640 Thu, 15 Apr 2010 07:51:18 +0000 chdot 5640@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Nice photo!</p> <p>(and instructive)</p> <p>I think options are </p> <p>Remove kerb</p> <p>Make this section single lane (room for a wider cycle lane!)</p> <p>Move centre line</p> <p>Give up LibDem manifesto 'pledge' of cycle friendly city! </p>