http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Legionnaires' disease cases expected to rise... en Sun, 31 May 2026 16:21:32 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-268825 Tue, 05 Dec 2017 22:35:46 +0000 chdot 268825@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/legionnaires-disease-probe-sees-five-firms-deny-charges-1-4631516" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/legionnaires-disease-probe-sees-five-firms-deny-charges-1-4631516</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-223615 Mon, 20 Jun 2016 10:26:04 +0000 chdot 223615@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/family-still-seeking-answers-over-legionnaires-outbreak-death-1-4158961" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/family-still-seeking-answers-over-legionnaires-outbreak-death-1-4158961</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-195098 Thu, 06 Aug 2015 16:30:31 +0000 chdot 195098@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/health/legionnaires-outbreak-caused-by-cooling-towers-1-3851351" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/health/legionnaires-outbreak-caused-by-cooling-towers-1-3851351</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-141977 Thu, 06 Feb 2014 15:06:58 +0000 chdot 141977@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/health/victims-seek-charges-over-legionnaires-outbreak-1-3295376" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/health/victims-seek-charges-over-legionnaires-outbreak-1-3295376</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-118854 Sat, 20 Jul 2013 14:52:47 +0000 chdot 118854@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/health/fourth-legionnaires-death-revealed-one-year-on-1-3007257" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/health/fourth-legionnaires-death-revealed-one-year-on-1-3007257</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/top-stories/no-charges-over-edinburgh-legionnaires-outbreak-1-3008403" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/top-stories/no-charges-over-edinburgh-legionnaires-outbreak-1-3008403</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-112602 Sat, 01 Jun 2013 14:30:32 +0000 chdot 112602@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/health/legionnaires-victim-calls-for-answers-1-2951636" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/health/legionnaires-victim-calls-for-answers-1-2951636</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-79726 Sat, 28 Jul 2012 21:44:00 +0000 chdot 79726@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/health/residents-urged-to-sign-up-for-legionnaires-surveys-1-2438315" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/health/residents-urged-to-sign-up-for-legionnaires-surveys-1-2438315</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-76652 Sun, 01 Jul 2012 22:02:33 +0000 chdot 76652@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><img src="http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/resources/images/1545199/"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-76536 Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:28:01 +0000 Kirst 76536@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And let's face it, nothing short of an axe through the head is going to see off Keef. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-76526 Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:45:07 +0000 wee folding bike 76526@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You can't tell with Charlie Watts. He is as expressive as Ron Mael. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-76522 Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:18:53 +0000 chdot 76522@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>But they are all in perfect health... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-76520 Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:12:33 +0000 wee folding bike 76520@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well the Stones are male and quite old so they might catch the disease. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-76513 Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:51:09 +0000 chdot 76513@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"INVESTIGATIONS into Edinburgh’s Legionnaires’ disease outbreak will leave no stone unturned, the First Minister has pledged."</p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/health/first-minister-says-legionnaires-probe-will-leave-no-stone-unturned-1-2381685" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/health/first-minister-says-legionnaires-probe-will-leave-no-stone-unturned-1-2381685</a></p> <p>Wots stones got to do with it? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-76039 Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:04:43 +0000 chdot 76039@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>STV Edinburgh (@STVEdinburgh)</p> <p>26/06/2012 12:00</p> <p>Dr Duncan McCormick from NHS Lothian told committee the IMT are meeting later today to decide a date to declare the outbreak officially over</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-73812 Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:09:43 +0000 chdot 73812@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Confirmed: Hearts victory parade exposed to legionella bug"</p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/health/confirmed-hearts-victory-parade-exposed-to-legionella-bug-1-2349034" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/health/confirmed-hearts-victory-parade-exposed-to-legionella-bug-1-2349034</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-73718 Sat, 09 Jun 2012 22:43:41 +0000 chdot 73718@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> sunday herald (@newsundayherald)</p> <p>09/06/2012 22:35</p> <p>Search for the source of legionnaires' outbreak spreads to national museum. Full report in @newsundayherald extensive package</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-73692 Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:30:25 +0000 lionfish 73692@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Min yeah, we noticed the steam had stopped. That explains why.</p> <p>Hopefully that'll be the end of it - although I heard there might be a few more cases over the weekend. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-73679 Sat, 09 Jun 2012 13:28:32 +0000 gembo 73679@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That makes sense as wind has been easterly for weeks and victims in Gorgie and Slateford. If it was the biscuit factory victims would have been juniper green, currie </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-73646 Fri, 08 Jun 2012 21:55:11 +0000 Min 73646@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It looks like it might be the distillery. They can't be sure yet but one of their towers is a potential and all have been shut down.</p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-18365750" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-18365750</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-73645 Fri, 08 Jun 2012 21:52:41 +0000 minus six 73645@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>C.dif a major annoyance, but noro is the killer.</p> <p>Don't fancy my chances getting that again when i'm seventy.. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-73644 Fri, 08 Jun 2012 21:48:09 +0000 Claggy Cog 73644@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Perversely, if you need hospital treatment then this might be a good time to attend ERI...it is much quieter than usual other than the people being admitted with Legionnaire's. It is a pity that people who are major time wasters are not so feart of catching MRSA, norovirus or C. Difficile, the latter of which can certainly be totally debilitating for the rest of your natural and is very nasty, but hey!! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-73569 Fri, 08 Jun 2012 10:35:51 +0000 lionfish 73569@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em><strong>Is it safe to visit the affected area and should I take<br /> any precautions?</strong><br /> We believe the risk to travellers to be low at present and<br /> there is no evidence to suggest that people should not<br /> travel into south west Edinburgh. The situation is being<br /> monitored and will be kept under constant review.</em>"</p> <p>Why is there no FAQ: "Is it safe to be living in the affected area and should I take any precautions?" (e.g: should I keep my windows closed?)<br /> Anyway, hopefully the source has been treated, and this is academic now... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-73536 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:53:48 +0000 gembo 73536@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>dr Dillner in guardian on line is my source for the two strains. I googled why does compost give you legionaires. Another triumph for the citycyclingedinburgh forum's emphasis on making sense of our world </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973&page=2#post-73532 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:38:40 +0000 kaputnik 73532@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@gembo I too saw the BBC article the other week about Legionnella from compost. Was slightly confused as it said it was transmitted probably from disturbing the compost and breathing in droplets, then recommended hand washing!</p> <p>Apparently Legionella will and do live naturally in open water sources (e.g. ponds lakes reservoirs) although it is both below their ideal temperature for multiplying and requires the water to be disturbed and turned to droplets to form a hazard. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973#post-73530 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:22:18 +0000 gembo 73530@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@le_soigneur - different strains - the pneumonia strain in water droplets inhaled. The longbeachae strain (true, just google) in hot weather from decomposing compost. big in Australia apparently. Possibly ingested? Hence washing hands helps? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973#post-73509 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:00:32 +0000 Rabid Hamster 73509@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Legionella Factsheet, NHS Scotland (ASCII version text only 6/6/12)<br /> This factsheet has been created to provide upto-<br /> date and accurate health information for people<br /> living in the south-west of Edinburgh following<br /> a recent outbreak of Legionnaires’ disease.<br /> What is Legionella and what illnesses can it cause?<br /> Legionella is a bacteria (germ) found in the environment.<br /> It can cause two types of illness:<br /> • Legionnaires’ disease, which is a pneumonia<br /> (lung infection) and can often be a severe illness<br /> • Pontiac fever, which is a milder fl u-like illness.<br /> Where is Legionella found?<br /> Legionella bacteria is widely distributed in the environment<br /> and has previously been found in ponds and rivers.<br /> Problems arise when it contaminates man-made water<br /> systems, such as the water in air conditioning cooling<br /> systems, hot and cold water systems in buildings, spa<br /> pools, cooling towers and other artifi cial water systems.<br /> Is it safe to visit the affected area and should I take<br /> any precautions?<br /> We believe the risk to travellers to be low at present and<br /> there is no evidence to suggest that people should not<br /> travel into south west Edinburgh. The situation is being<br /> monitored and will be kept under constant review.<br /> Are children at risk?<br /> It should be noted that the illness is extremely rare in<br /> children and there are no cases in this current outbreak<br /> under the age of 30 years.<br /> Further Questions?<br /> Please contact the NHS 24 helpline<br /> on 08000 85 85 31 which is open<br /> from 8am – 10pm.<br /> How do you get Legionnaires disease or<br /> Pontiac fever?<br /> The commonest way to get these illnesses is through<br /> inhaling water droplets from a contaminated water<br /> system containing the bacteria. Legionella cannot be<br /> caught by drinking tap water, therefore there is no need<br /> for you to boil your water.<br /> Could I pass this on to family or other contacts?<br /> No. Legionella cannot spread from person to person.<br /> Who is at risk?<br /> For people who are healthy the risk is extremely low.<br /> However the risk is increased for:<br /> • People over the age of 50 years<br /> • Men more than women<br /> • Individuals whose immune system is suppressed<br /> • Patients with chronic lung disease<br /> • Individuals who smoke.<br /> What are the symptoms?<br /> • ‘Flu-like’ illness<br /> • Muscle aches<br /> • Tiredness<br /> • Headaches<br /> • Dry cough<br /> • High fever (39.5°C - 103°F)<br /> • Sometimes diarrhoea and confusion may develop.<br /> How soon do the symptoms occur?<br /> The time between exposure to the bacteria and onset<br /> of symptoms (incubation period) is between 2 and 10<br /> days, typically 5-6 days. In rare cases some people may<br /> develop symptoms as late as two weeks after exposure.<br /> How is it diagnosed?<br /> It is diagnosed either by testing a urine sample, a blood<br /> sample or a sample of saliva/sputum.<br /> What is the treatment?<br /> Treatment is with appropriate antibiotics, which will be<br /> prescribed by the doctor looking after you.</p> <p>Legionella Factsheet ends. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973#post-73508 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:55:04 +0000 le_soigneur 73508@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In other news, there have been 6 deaths from Legionella in Scotland this year - gardeners using compost. </p> <p>I don't know why the advice to gardeners is to wash your hands if using compost, what good is that in defeating something you inhale </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973#post-73499 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:41:49 +0000 steveo 73499@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ah so you have to inhale it for it to cause illness, that makes sense given it effects your respiratory system primarily. Gut bacteria and stomach acids are probably able to deal with it when consumed in water. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973#post-73498 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:34:51 +0000 ruggtomcat 73498@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It cant be transmitted by drinking water full stop, you have to inhale airborne droplets. </p> <p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jun/06/what-is-legionnaires-disease" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jun/06/what-is-legionnaires-disease</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6973#post-73485 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 12:42:43 +0000 Arellcat 73485@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The Legionella bacterium is generally dormant in water below 20C, and above about 45C it dies with increasing rapidity and temperature; above about 70C will kill it outright. Biocides include chlorine dioxide, UV, and apparently ozone is one of the best agents.</p> <p>So domestically, the best and easiest thing to do is run the tap first to ensure mains water is cold, and hot water is hot.</p> <p>I was hoping that the bacterium was less resistant to external damage, but it seems that it can withstand atmospheric travel over several kilometres. </p>