http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: OT: EGIP budget cut announced en Sun, 05 Apr 2026 23:03:28 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455&page=2#post-229633 Sun, 04 Sep 2016 14:26:29 +0000 chdot 229633@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Work on the 42-mile link is at least £32 million over budget and seven months late because of the wire bungle. </p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/blunder-sees-cables-installed-too-low-on-glasgow-to-edinburgh-rail-line-1-4220723" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/blunder-sees-cables-installed-too-low-on-glasgow-to-edinburgh-rail-line-1-4220723</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455&page=2#post-91043 Thu, 15 Nov 2012 01:33:05 +0000 chdot 91043@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> A Transport Scotland spokeswoman said: “We’re not in a position to confirm any details of financing or funding or costs.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/transport/come-clean-over-high-speed-edinburgh-glasgow-rail-link-cost-ministers-are-told-1-2631954" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/transport/come-clean-over-high-speed-edinburgh-glasgow-rail-link-cost-ministers-are-told-1-2631954</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455&page=2#post-91040 Thu, 15 Nov 2012 01:25:08 +0000 chdot 91040@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>They are both West Coasters... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455&page=2#post-91038 Thu, 15 Nov 2012 01:21:17 +0000 kaputnik 91038@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Not a fan of Brian Wilson</em></p> <p>Oh. There's "another". </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-91014 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:40:53 +0000 chdot 91014@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not a fan of Brian Wilson, but -</p> <p>"</p> <p>GRANDIOSE announcements divert attention from a failure to deliver on more realistic public projects, writes Brian Wilson</p> <p>Television cameras love trains – which must explain why so much uncritical coverage was accorded by our national broadcasters to this week’s nonsense about cutting journey times between Glasgow and Edinburgh to half an hour.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/opinion/comment/brian-wilson-side-tracked-from-the-real-priority-1-2631495" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/opinion/comment/brian-wilson-side-tracked-from-the-real-priority-1-2631495</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-90784 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:04:34 +0000 chdot 90784@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Alastair Dalton (@AlastairDalton)<br /> 12/11/2012 21:59<br /> 2007 S Gov: Edin-Gla bullet train plan axed: £7bn, poor VFM, better to upgrade existing line. 6/12: S Gov axes latter. </p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/top-stories/central-belt-bullet-train-plan-shunted-into-a-siding-1-676368" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/top-stories/central-belt-bullet-train-plan-shunted-into-a-siding-1-676368</a></p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-90764 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:28:50 +0000 PS 90764@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Nah, this is SNP's gambit to try to force Westminster to commit to a high speed line all the way up to the border. </p> <p>This would be the "start building at both ends" approach. </p> <p>Any business case would be dependent on a UK-wide approach. Do we do that any more now transport responsibility is devolved? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-90741 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:59:44 +0000 crowriver 90741@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Great news! All citizens of Glasburgh will receive free jam!</p> <p>A 500g jar of finest strawberry preserve will be delivered to each household in 2026, a government minister said. The extremely generous gift will require the construction of a huge new jam factory somewhere in the central belt. A new 15 lane motorway will also be needed to transport berries from Tayside and Angus to the new plant. </p> <p>No details of the site for the factory, nor the route of the motorway have been thought about yet. The plans are uncosted, but the minister did produce the back of an envelope, showing a hastily scribbled figure of £99 trillion, which represents the economic benefit to Scotland from realising this amazing project. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-90724 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:08:31 +0000 chdot 90724@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Damien Henderson (@DamienHenderson)<br /> 08/11/2012 11:16<br /> Appalling spin by Scottish Government this week in implying that Borders Railway would cost £294m - £54m short of actual budget</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-90720 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:57:20 +0000 chdot 90720@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Even <em>if</em> the steel for the rails and the rolling stock and workforce were sourced within Scotland it would be economically questionable. </p> <p>Though as it 'would be' cheaper than the questionable tram the whole thing is questionably questionable. </p> <p>Maybe passengers will sit at pedal-powered electricity generators so that they can get some active travel so that the SG can say they are increasing that budget...</p> <p>EDIT</p> <p>Sorry, the £650m is the current spend to 'save' 10 mins. </p> <p>This kite flying is in uncosted. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-90719 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:49:59 +0000 chdot 90719@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From above link -</p> <p>"<br /> The current travelling times for the trip are 50-55 minutes. A £650million programme to electrify the whole route is already under way and is expected to reduce journey times by 10 minutes.</p> <p>But the plan unveiled today is separate because it will require building a completely new line.</p> <p>"</p> <p>?????</p> <p>Much as I prefer rail spending to new bypasses/bridges, this is all about the problem of politicians who only understand BIG projects/initiatives/spending other people's money/ ribbon cutting opportunities. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-90717 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:44:21 +0000 chdot 90717@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Alastair Dalton (@AlastairDalton)<br /> 12/11/2012 09:12<br /> S Gov plans under-30 mins high-speed Edin-Gla rail link in 12 years, after scrapping 35 min link in 4 years...</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/mobile/news/its-glasgow-edinburgh-at-140mph-in-30-mins-106868n.19386308" rel="nofollow">http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/mobile/news/its-glasgow-edinburgh-at-140mph-in-30-mins-106868n.19386308</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-87262 Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:43:01 +0000 cb 87262@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Full steam ahead" is an amusing title for a story on a rail modernisation project. (Mind you, I suppose electric trains in this country are mostly powered by steam). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-87255 Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:59:26 +0000 Morningsider 87255@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Kaputnik - the EGIP website is out of date. It hasn't been changed since the Scottish Government announced the filleting of the EGIP project in July. Details:</p> <p><a href="http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/news/Edinburgh-Glasgow-Rail-Improvement-Programme" rel="nofollow">http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/news/Edinburgh-Glasgow-Rail-Improvement-Programme</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-87253 Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:55:43 +0000 cb 87253@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>They've already raised the height of a footbridge that nobody uses leading into an empty field, just north of Plean, so they're almost there. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-87251 Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:51:01 +0000 kaputnik 87251@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@cb from the <a href="http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/11743.aspx">EGIP website</a>;</p> <p><em>The programme will significantly improve connections, journey times and service opportunities between Edinburgh and Glasgow via all routes as well as to Alloa, Dunblane and Stirling from Scotland's largest cities. Subject to consultation and approval by the Scottish Government this will be delivered by 2016.</p> <p></em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-87248 Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:44:35 +0000 Morningsider 87248@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>cb - no timescales for Alloa electrification are available at present. It will certainly be post 2016, when EGIP is due to be up and running, and is likely to be many years into the future. I suppose it doesn't hurt that Keith Brown was leader of Clackmannanshire Council, might push it up the list a bit. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-87246 Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:41:44 +0000 crowriver 87246@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Jam tomorrow is still "on track". </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-87245 Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:32:47 +0000 cb 87245@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.alloaadvertiser.com/news/councilnews/articles/2012/10/10/437366-plans-to-electrify-on-track-/">http://www.alloaadvertiser.com/news/councilnews/articles/2012/10/10/437366-plans-to-electrify-on-track-/</a></p> <p>"<br /> Concerns had been raised that Alloa, along with Stirling and Dunblane, was no longer a part of the multi-million pound project following an announcement in the summer by Transport Minister Keith Brown regarding the £650m project. </p> <p>However, following a meeting between senior Clackmannanshire Council officers and officials from Transport Scotland, the council has been reassured that the government is still on track to deliver electrification of the network, including Alloa, albeit later than had been originally planned.<br /> "</p> <p>Not sure if this now comes under the EGIP work?</p> <p>Anyone know timescales? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-77972 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:29:51 +0000 kaputnik 77972@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em></p> <p>Are trains really that good at coasting? </em></p> <p>Very good. In fact if you're on a train on the flat, you'll notice that the engine does a lot of work accelerating the train and once it is up to speed effectively slips back to idling, just putting in enough work to overcome the friction. Steel wheel on steel rail has very low friction. The savings in this scheme won't be massive, as currently the engine will be doing very little work anyway, the gearbox is just being put in neutral - the engine still has to run to provide compressed air for braking and to generate the onboard electrical supply.</p> <p>Indeed with heavier trains (expresses/ high speed and freight), so efficient are they at building up speed on a downhill when coasting, getting the train not to overspeed is often more of a problem. If you look at pictures of the big American freight locomotives, they have "wing" structures along the roof, which are the cooling vents for huge banks of resistors/rheostats known as dynamic brakes, where the electric motors in the wheels are used as a brake, generating current on a downhill which is passed through the resistors and lost to the atmosphere as heat. It won't stop the train, but it will allow it to cruise at speed without wearing down mechanical brake blocks.</p> <p>Electric locomotives can pass current back through the wire/3rd rail when doing this, known as regenerative braking. </p> <p>In days of yore, freight trains would slow to a crawl at the top of a downhill and the guard would jump out, knocking the mechanical brakes on enough wagons to stop the train running away - the number needed to apply based on weight of the load it was carrying. They also required a brake (or guard's) wagon which provided additional braking force at the rear of the train. </p> <p>So yes, get a train moving on a flat or downhill and then the main concern is stopping it, rather than keeping it going. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-77954 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:24:44 +0000 steveo 77954@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Are trains really that good at coasting? </em></p> <p>They are very heavy and have an excellent friction coefficient so they have a lot of kinetic energy stored up and of the main resisting forces, air friction and rail friction, the friction at the rails is very low. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-77951 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:09:13 +0000 cb 77951@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/bosses-power-on-with-works-1-2410112">http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/bosses-power-on-with-works-1-2410112</a></p> <p>"Network Rail confirmed the contract to raise the height of 28 rail bridges to allow the erection of electric overhead wires will continue, even though only ten are on routes still due to be electrified."</p> <p>Hopefully won't be wasted work. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-77567 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:46:52 +0000 chdot 77567@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>A COMMUNITY has been left in limbo after a key rail project was put on hold.</p> <p>Half a dozen homeowners, most of whom have lived in the area for more than 30 years, had already had to face up to the prospect of losing their homes because of the proposed new railway link through land near Dalmeny.</p> <p>But now the Scottish Government has abandoned plans to build the line – known as the Dalmeny chord – any time soon.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/transport/residents-in-limbo-as-rail-link-plans-put-on-hold-1-2402114" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/transport/residents-in-limbo-as-rail-link-plans-put-on-hold-1-2402114</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-77175 Fri, 06 Jul 2012 12:27:23 +0000 cb 77175@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's an impressive bit of freewheeling. Gleneagles is only about 125m asl. The first half of the way to Perth is steadily downhill, but after that it looks pretty much flat.</p> <p>Are trains really that good at coasting? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-77170 Fri, 06 Jul 2012 12:22:42 +0000 crowriver 77170@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Wheeeeee!</p> <p>I like the idea of freewheeling trains. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-77162 Fri, 06 Jul 2012 12:03:59 +0000 chdot 77162@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"ScotRail's coasting trains plan 'will save fuel' "</p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-18723220" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-18723220</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-77039 Thu, 05 Jul 2012 12:35:27 +0000 chdot 77039@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Key rail link hits the buffers after £1bn budget cut"</p> <p>"<br /> The original £1 billion electrification project promised six trains an hour on the main line between the two cities, a journey time down to just 35 minutes and easy access to the airport by switching to the tram at the new Edinburgh Gateway station at Gogar.</p> <p>But the revised scheme unveiled by Transport Minister Keith Brown yesterday has slashed £350 million from the investment, which means there will only be four trains an hour, the journey time will be 40 minutes and trains from the west can no longer use the Gateway station.</p> <p>A crucial piece of extra track – known as the “Dalmeny chord” – to allow trains from Glasgow to call at the Gateway station will no longer be built.</p> <p>City transport convener Lesley Hinds said today there had been no consultation with the council on the move.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://m.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/key-rail-link-hits-the-buffers-after-1bn-budget-cut-1-2393816" rel="nofollow">http://m.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/key-rail-link-hits-the-buffers-after-1bn-budget-cut-1-2393816</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-77006 Thu, 05 Jul 2012 09:59:39 +0000 chdot 77006@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Who cares about electrification of the Dunblane line when we're going to a get a mezzanine level food court at Glasgow Queen Street."</p> <p>It's a good point - though 'obviously' the 'retail' will make money. </p> <p>Whether 'the railways' spend a disproportionate of time/effort on 'property development' (especially in London) is another matter - as is the question of how risks/rewards are shared. </p> <p>Not new of course, North Berwick station became a carpark. </p> <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Berwick_railway_station"><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/NorthBerwick%281%29.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-77004 Thu, 05 Jul 2012 09:44:04 +0000 cb 77004@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Who cares about electrification of the Dunblane line when we're going to a get a mezzanine level food court at Glasgow Queen Street. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455#post-76967 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 22:55:02 +0000 crowriver 76967@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Let's remind ourselves of the governments priorities from 2011. Here they are, note not a single mention of cycling. <a href="http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2011/12/05141922/4">Infrastructure Investment Plan 2011: 3. WHAT WE WILL INVEST IN</a></p> <p>Here's where the money is coming from and when (like a cashflow projection): <a href="http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2011/12/05141922/6">ANNEX B: PROJECTED PROJECT PIPELINE</a></p> <p>Here's the detail, including (ballpark) budgets. The order is <em>very</em> telling. Top five are Forth bridge, High Speed Rail, EGIP, A90 Aberdeen bypass, A90 (also Aberdeenshire). Note no money set aside for 'low carbon transport', or maybe the money's so tiny it doesn't merit mention: <a href="http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2011/12/05141922/7">ANNEX C: ADDITIONAL DETAIL ON INVESTMENTS IN THE PROJECTED PIPELINE</a> </p>