http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Leith Walk - next stage (still ongoing and going on…) en Wed, 13 May 2026 03:59:26 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=16#post-374759 Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:28:45 +0000 neddie 374759@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yep. Only post threadreaderapp threads if you want people to see the entire thread </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=16#post-374757 Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:09:20 +0000 acsimpson 374757@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks, one of the changes the chief twit made while reducing the value of his asset was to stop non members viewing threads. We are now only allowed to see the single post that is linked. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=16#post-374756 Mon, 29 Apr 2024 21:34:37 +0000 chdot 374756@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh!!!</p> <p>Thanks </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=16#post-374755 Mon, 29 Apr 2024 21:14:15 +0000 MediumDave 374755@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh they did but they did it wrong:</p> <p><blockquote>2/2. Additionally, there were missing stopline markings for cyclists. These issues led some cyclists to misinterpret the signals, potentially causing conflicts with motor vehicles turning left onto Great Junction Street. Thanks. Joanne.</blockquote></p> <p>The Muskrat's "improvements" to Twitter have made it quite hard to follow threads but if you visit </p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/wheelyradge/status/1783438320862715986">https://twitter.com/wheelyradge/status/1783438320862715986</a></p> <p>you will see all replies in context, albeit out of order </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=16#post-374753 Mon, 29 Apr 2024 20:05:50 +0000 chdot 374753@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well they never posted 2/2!</p> <p>(Or deleted it.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=16#post-374752 Mon, 29 Apr 2024 19:49:29 +0000 acsimpson 374752@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Were there any other reasons. Or context to this? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=16#post-374745 Mon, 29 Apr 2024 17:09:01 +0000 chdot 374745@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Hi there, The team have responded and advise that the cones have been placed in the cycle lane for several reasons. Firstly, the cycle lane was being used incorrectly due to delays in the Leith connections works, which were supposed to integrate with the tram works.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://x.com/edinhelp/status/1784930305243070789" rel="nofollow">https://x.com/edinhelp/status/1784930305243070789</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=16#post-373501 Tue, 20 Feb 2024 17:17:33 +0000 gembo 373501@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I like the defects, they slow you down to gentle pace except deliveroos. I would like down the west side up the east side to happen. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=16#post-373500 Tue, 20 Feb 2024 15:59:07 +0000 Arellcat 373500@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>because the lozenge pattern guidance tactiles...had been used at the edge of the cycleway pavement</em></p> <p>Was this issue subsequently corrected? I haven't used the cycle lane enough to have noticed, although I am normally one for playing I Spy With My Big Beady Eye when it comes to tactilery. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=16#post-373499 Tue, 20 Feb 2024 15:29:18 +0000 acsimpson 373499@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I would agree. The cowboy tarmac is the worst part of the whole debacle. It changes it from a slow confusing ride to an uncomfortable, bordering on painful, ride. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=16#post-373462 Sun, 18 Feb 2024 22:27:55 +0000 Tulyar 373462@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If I had the time I'd write a full snagging list! </p> <p>It would be very long and I'd start from Leith Street, as staggeringly there seems to be several different 'standards' applied to the detailing</p> <p>At Leith Street I believe 'Spokes Porty' came off because the lozenge pattern guidance tactiles (normally used for the edge of a TRAM (not train) platform) had been used at the edge of the cycleway pavement, rather then the shaped kerbs (30°batter 50mm high), with are sporadically used further down towards Leith....</p> <p>The angular corners, substandard widths &amp; especially the hand laid tarmac..... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=16#post-373378 Tue, 13 Feb 2024 18:14:36 +0000 mcairney 373378@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Must be a contender for worst purpose-built cycle path though. No publicity is bad publicity and all that.<br /> “ Because, after I cycle down Leith Walk - the worst cycling lane in the world - within minutes I end up down a peaceful, disused railway path. It’s been transformed into a bike path, and it’s truly beautiful”<br /> That wouldn’t be the roseburn path the council are wanting to bulldoze for their other world-infamous modern follow the Tram? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=16#post-373376 Tue, 13 Feb 2024 16:57:12 +0000 Arellcat 373376@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's certainly one of the worst <em>surfaced</em> cycle paths that has the temerity to call itself a bona fide cycle path. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=16#post-373373 Tue, 13 Feb 2024 16:28:44 +0000 Dave 373373@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is it the worst cycle lane in the world adjusted for construction time and cost though? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=16#post-373369 Tue, 13 Feb 2024 15:04:55 +0000 CycleAlex 373369@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>People don’t actually think Leith Walk is the worst cycle lane in the world, yes? It has two particularly bad sections at bus stops but on the whole it’s <em>fine</em>.</p> <p>The other two Edinburgh examples in the “13 Worst Bike Lanes in the World” don’t even exist anymore with one being taken during construction. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=16#post-373368 Tue, 13 Feb 2024 14:44:44 +0000 chdot 373368@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/what-it-feels-like-to-cycle-along-the-worst-cycle-lane-in-the-world" rel="nofollow">https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/what-it-feels-like-to-cycle-along-the-worst-cycle-lane-in-the-world</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=15#post-362454 Tue, 09 Aug 2022 18:02:09 +0000 boothym 362454@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The TRO has an objection to the Brunswick Road one way on the grounds of displacement to Albert/Brunswick Street, the response said it was "installed to increase safety outside of the Primary School and increase safety for cyclists".</p> <p>Fair enough, but the one way westbound means the only eastbound road between Albert Street and Picardy Place is Brunswick Street (not great for pedestrian safety!). If the direction of Brunswick Road was swapped that would surely improve things? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=15#post-362444 Tue, 09 Aug 2022 13:35:56 +0000 pringlis 362444@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Does seem like someone's dropped the ball here - created a rat run and added a continuous pavement resulting in increased conflict. It's a shame as the Brunswick Street/Montgomery Street crossroads would be an ideal spot for some modal filters and placemaking. Large pavements, big central area at the crossroads. A couple of filters, planters and benches and it could be a lovely little spot for residents to congregate. Traffic doesn't need to go along either street really, London Road/Leith Walk should be the route of choice. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=15#post-362443 Tue, 09 Aug 2022 12:42:29 +0000 boothym 362443@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>According to the TRO there's also no left turn from Leith Walk to London Road, so you'd need to go up to Picardy Place and double back on yourself to go east. Or you just take the Brunswick Street rat run...</p> <p><a href="https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/documents/s36345/Item%207.9%20-%20Trams%20to%20Newhaven.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/documents/s36345/Item%207.9%20-%20Trams%20to%20Newhaven.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=15#post-362430 Tue, 09 Aug 2022 08:34:18 +0000 chdot 362430@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Quite shocking </p> <p>We’ll see if this gets any responses </p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/cyclingedin/status/1556904051660701696" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/cyclingedin/status/1556904051660701696</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=15#post-362426 Mon, 08 Aug 2022 23:27:21 +0000 boothym 362426@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Two videos of a continuous footway at the junction with Brunswick Street. </p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/116McD/status/1556726888047038466" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/116McD/status/1556726888047038466</a></p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/116McD/status/1556728250285625352" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/116McD/status/1556728250285625352</a> </p> <p>Am I missing something in the designs, or have they basically created a rat run here by by making Brunswick Road one way? Traffic from McDonald Road that wants to go to Easter Road etc will cut through here instead of going up to London Road. </p> <p>7 of the 10 cars in the second video do so, and it also includes a fire engine which presumably would've gone straight ahead to Brunswick Road previously? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=15#post-359771 Thu, 14 Apr 2022 10:47:43 +0000 Rob 359771@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"Surely the poor design of the cycleway - with its twists and turns for parking and bin bypasses - is the reason for the lack of pavement space in certain places?"</em></p> <p>The worst part for pavement width is at the layby bus stop, where the cycleway also has to take an extreme angle to bypass it (typically bus stop bypasses only have to deflect around the shelter/island). Both issues are being caused by the same thing, i.e. the decision to put the bus stop out of the main carriageway. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=15#post-359687 Tue, 12 Apr 2022 20:18:13 +0000 boothym 359687@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Indeed, the utility covers look like they would be in between the carriageway and cycletrack - if it continued straight - so they wouldn't even get ridden over.</p> <p>@chdot should've said it was <a href="https://twitter.com/LivingStreetsEd/status/1513867231389790215">LS Edinburgh tweeting today</a> not the main LS. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=15#post-359686 Tue, 12 Apr 2022 20:14:06 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 359686@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"the kind of stuff that's used to rapidly provide light kerb segregation to cycle lanes, that molded plastic-rubber pseudopavement stuff."</p> <p>Because a pavement parking juggernaut will drive on it and fall into the bowels of the earth</p> <p>Or something like that, probably </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=15#post-359684 Tue, 12 Apr 2022 20:08:43 +0000 Yodhrin 359684@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>One thing I don't get - several of the mini-chicanes are said to be down to them wanting to preserve access to utility service covers without having to dig the pavement back up in future...but what's stopping them from using "temporary" material for those sections? By which I mean the kind of stuff that's used to rapidly provide light kerb segregation to cycle lanes, that molded plastic-rubber pseudopavement stuff. It's not like bikes will cause significant wear by riding over it, and if they need access to the covers you only need to undo a couple of bolts to lift the whole section away. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=15#post-359683 Tue, 12 Apr 2022 20:06:05 +0000 chdot 359683@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>LSS &amp; LSE not always on the same page…</p> <p>One gives the appearance of being more anti-bike than the other. </p> <p>In parts, the pedestrian infrastructure is worse than the cycle!</p> <p>As has been said often ‘LW is NOT narrow’. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=15#post-359680 Tue, 12 Apr 2022 19:54:27 +0000 boothym 359680@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I noticed last week in response to a picture of Leith Walk, David Hunter (the LSE one) said "I really think the criticism of the cycleway is over the top. It was always intended as a segregated route to encourage less confident cyclists - not a fast, straight 'super-highway'?"</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/dvrh9/status/1511753210427768833" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/dvrh9/status/1511753210427768833</a></p> <p>Yet Living Streets Edinburgh today was criticising the inadequate walking space. Surely the poor design of the cycleway - with its twists and turns for parking and bin bypasses - is the reason for the lack of pavement space in certain places? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=15#post-359660 Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:13:42 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 359660@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>As I understand it from the Spokes documents, at the time of the closure of the temporary LW cycle provision last year, it was intended to be closed and diversions in place until last autumn? Now it will be July this year (at the earliest, I imagine) before there is any non-traffic lane provision open? That point is rather glossed over in the twitter thread. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=15#post-359659 Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:02:58 +0000 chdot 359659@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>I understand that rectifying the issues should not come as a cost to the project but will be borne by the contractor. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/lmacinnessnp/status/1513862655039008768" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/lmacinnessnp/status/1513862655039008768</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7945&page=15#post-359657 Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:57:00 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 359657@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"recognise that design we agreed has not been properly reflected in construction."</p> <p>The question remains why? Presumably it would be a BIG PROBLEM if the tram infra did not comply with the designs. An attitude of "Meh, it's only cyclists" has run through this project's executive stakeholders (council/TfE/contractors) like a stick of rock. </p>